WWII Holocaust Afterlife / NDE

[oldguy1957]

Over the years I’ve read or watched about people describing their
NDE / Afterlife experience; consequently, they all had one common
denominator: Me, Myself and I.

Each person explained that they met with a spiritual being and they said
that each person has a purpose on Earth for spiritual growth and enlightenment.

Other people describe guidance for life, family, relationships, addictions, job skills, and
are told it’s not your time yet so return and heed my advice.

Basically, each experience is a one-on-one conversation about a single person, NOT, how to save the world, clean up the environment, stop wars, etc… it’s just about Me, Myself, and I !!!!

You would think if there was an O Mighty God spiritual being that there would be more interest in the human race, not just a single person which leads me to the WWII Holocaust.

During WWII six-million Jews were tortured to death and I guarantee you one thing, the topic of conversation during an NDE and later in the Afterlife, they weren't discussing things like job skills, family matters, addiction, financial issues. etc… they were SCREAMING Why me! Why me! Why me! as they died from torture.

Now, I can see an O Mighty God sending a few rotten-to-the-core souls to Earth as punishment to live through this horrific torture, but SIX MILLION !!!!! I don’t think these souls received any
spiritual growth and enlightenment from this experience, so then why!!!!

This one example leads me to believe that God doesn’t exist, and Afterlife doesn’t either.

I’m open for discussion on the issue; whereas, if you can explain how six million people received spiritual growth and enlightenment by being tortured to death, I’m all ears.

 

[mac]

welcome back to ALF

 

[mac]

Over the years I’ve read or watched about people describing their NDE / Afterlife experience; consequently, they all had one common denominator: Me, Myself and I.

I always make the point that a near-death experience (NDE) is NOT the same as dying and entering the so-called afterlife. But moving on from that, isn't it natural that individuals will talk about their own experiences and thoughts? Many forum contributions are solely about " Me, Myself and I".

Each person explained that they met with a spiritual being and they said that each person has a purpose on Earth for spiritual growth and enlightenment.

Other people describe guidance for life, family, relationships, addictions, job skills, and
are told it’s not your time yet so return and heed my advice.

Basically, each experience is a one-on-one conversation about a single person, NOT, how to save the world, clean up the environment, stop wars, etc… it’s just about Me, Myself, and I !!!!

Yes indeed - an NDE is a wholly personal experience but what is experienced is not exactly similar to what happens after actual death.

You would think if there was an O Mighty God spiritual being that there would be more interest in the human race, not just a single person which leads me to the WWII Holocaust.

God is a big subject but essentially in its love for any single individual every individual is loved similarly.

During WWII six-million Jews were tortured to death and I guarantee you one thing, the topic of conversation during an NDE

You appear to be confusing near-death and actually dying. A near-death experience isn't an automatic precursor to death of the body. Extrapolating what you might have learned by reading or listening to accounts of NDEs as a guide to what happens after we die can be misleading.

and later in the Afterlife, they weren't discussing things like job skills, family matters, addiction, financial issues. etc… they were SCREAMING Why me! Why me! Why me! as they died from torture.

None of us can know what any individual was feeling as they were killed.

Now, I can see an O Mighty God sending a few rotten-to-the-core souls to Earth as punishment to live through this horrific torture, but SIX MILLION !!!!! I don’t think these souls received any spiritual growth and enlightenment from this experience, so then why!!!!

At this point you're simply expressing your opinions and views. God didn't send anyone to experience what you suggest. Souls come to this world by choice and are not sent as punishment ever. What any of them gained from such dreadful experiences we can't ever know.

This one example leads me to believe that God doesn’t exist, and Afterlife doesn’t either.

Then why come to a website predicated on there being an afterlife?

I’m open for discussion on the issue; whereas, if you can explain how six million people received spiritual growth and enlightenment by being tortured to death, I’m all ears.

I suspect you're actually not open for discussion at all and are unshakably wedded to your beliefs. I have no wish to try to change them.

 

[mac]

I've responded to oldguy's posting in case the thread is found by someone in the future - oldguy is unlikely to return to it.

I hope it illustrates the confusion about what's reported in NDEs and what's reported by those who return via mediumship to tell their stories. And, of course, what's been taught by spiritually-evolved teachers and guides.

 

[BruceAdama]

Over the years I’ve read or watched about people describing their
NDE / Afterlife experience; consequently, they all had one common
denominator: Me, Myself and I.

Each person explained that they met with a spiritual being and they said
that each person has a purpose on Earth for spiritual growth and enlightenment.

Other people describe guidance for life, family, relationships, addictions, job skills, and
are told it’s not your time yet so return and heed my advice.

Basically, each experience is a one-on-one conversation about a single person, NOT, how to save the world, clean up the environment, stop wars, etc… it’s just about Me, Myself, and I !!!!

You would think if there was an O Mighty God spiritual being that there would be more interest in the human race, not just a single person which leads me to the WWII Holocaust.

During WWII six-million Jews were tortured to death and I guarantee you one thing, the topic of conversation during an NDE and later in the Afterlife, they weren't discussing things like job skills, family matters, addiction, financial issues. etc… they were SCREAMING Why me! Why me! Why me! as they died from torture.

Now, I can see an O Mighty God sending a few rotten-to-the-core souls to Earth as punishment to live through this horrific torture, but SIX MILLION !!!!! I don’t think these souls received any
spiritual growth and enlightenment from this experience, so then why!!!!

This one example leads me to believe that God doesn’t exist, and Afterlife doesn’t either.

I’m open for discussion on the issue; whereas, if you can explain how six million people received spiritual growth and enlightenment by being tortured to death, I’m all ears.

It just confirms that God is flawed and has no idea how to run things here. Being omnipotent, God COULD eliminate things such as pain and suffering. God CHOOSES not to. It’s all on God. And it’s God that’s ultimately accountable for all of it.

 

[bluebird]

oldguy,

I agree with you, and with Bruce. I don't think there was any purpose to the Holocaust. It wasn't about spiritual growth or enlightenment -- I think it was just some humans being evil and others being complacent, and if there is a god then I think it should have stopped the Holocaust. In my opinion, there is NO reason good enough for that atrocity, nor for the many similar atrocities which have taken place on earth. The fact that the Holocaust did happen and was not stopped by god makes it seem to me very likely that no god exists, or if a god does exist it is either uncaring or insufficiently powerful to have stopped the Holocaust.

Now -- all of that said, I acknowledge that it's possible I am wrong, although I don't see how. But if there is an afterlife, maybe I'll have more knowledge once I'm there, maybe things will become clearer to me. In this life right now, though, I think the Holocaust was a case of evil winning over good, without any redeeming factors. Yes, there were some good people who helped or tried to help (hiding Jews to keep them safe, etc.), but none of that would have been necessary had the Holocaust not occurred, and those people could have learned about helping others in some less deadly way.