What is the definition of a Near Death Experience?

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poeticblue

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We’ve had people often share their stories about their NDE’s stating that they’ve actually died, yet they still live to tell us about it which is contradictory.

A near death experience according to what I’ve gathered is just that: Near death. Ones spiritual cord was never severed from their body and wherever they were during their near death more than likely took place in the astral realm (if anywhere at all).

I’m not an expert on this, but I’ve seen plenty of members mention NDEs through out this forum and noticed that none have said anything in this section yet.

So let’s start with clarifying what an NDE actually is and then perhaps share some supporting facts, experiences, and articles. Just a suggestion.

:)
 

mac

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I go even tighter. A near-death-experience is one that occurs when an individual appears near to death. There isn't a way to measure how close the death of a person's body might actually have been and it's something that likely will vary somewhat from one individual to another. BUT I agree totally that it's not a case of someone passing over and then being 'brought back to life' as so often is claimed.

For anyone who doesn't appreciate why, the reason is that death of the body comes about at the same time as - or because of - the severing of the so-called silver cord. Quite what the exact order of events is I don't know. Is it death of the body resulting in the severing of the silver cord or is it the severing of the silver cord that results in death of the physical body? Maybe that's a distinction without a difference! Either way that severing is not reversible and death is always the outcome.

I do hope your thread encourages members who are interested in NDE to ask about what happens etc. :)
 

poeticblue

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mac,

I get the feeling this isn’t working at all lol. Oh well, we tried. I guess we will give it more time but I doubt it’ll help.
 

mac

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mac,

I get the feeling this isn’t working at all lol. Oh well, we tried. I guess we will give it more time but I doubt it’ll help.
We're deep into the usual slack-summer hiatus.

Schools are out for summer, parents are taking vacations with their kids, the weather is fine and RVers are thronging the highways and filling the campgrounds; folk generally are looking for outdoor pastimes and activities....

From late spring to early fall website activity level has often been low so I don't think you should get too downhearted that little interest in this forum's subject is apparent. :)
 

poeticblue

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We're deep into the usual slack-summer hiatus.

Schools are out for summer, parents are taking vacations with their kids, the weather is fine and RVers are thronging the highways and filling the campgrounds; folk generally are looking for outdoor pastimes and activities....

From late spring to early fall website activity level has often been low so I don't think you should get too downhearted that little interest in this forum's subject is apparent. :)

I’m not too disappointed, just perplexed as to why NDEs are often bought up in certain threads that have nothing to do with the topic. Yet here we are with a section pertaining to the subject and there is no participation. :D
 

mac

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I’m not too disappointed, just perplexed as to why NDEs are often bought up in certain threads that have nothing to do with the topic. Yet here we are with a section pertaining to the subject and there is no participation. :D

It's a puzzle! :)
 

Hazada Guess

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I'll get it started.I don't. know about NDE's but I had an out of body experience when I was about 7.I was in bed with Whooping cough (you don't hear much about that now here in the UK),I floated above my body many times,it felt like I was leaving earth once but I'm afraid of heights,so I willed myself back down.lol.
 

mac

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I'm a little surprised no-one has picked up on this NDE forum, but new members may be coming to ALF with altogether different expectations about what they'll find here and those expectations may be shaped by the way folk found their way in the first place.

Few divulge how they discovered ALF and equally few say anything about themselves in the member intro area, despite receiving a welcome message that encourages them to do so. Hence we have no idea what they're interested in or looking for and couldn't tailor the website to try to engage with their interests. Perhaps they don't have any particular interest and are looking for spooky excitement and entertainment - who knows?

I'm often the only individual on ALF. Of course there's the Transatlantic time difference that puts me out of sync. with many members but even in winter, when I'm in AZ, it's little different. I check frequently who else is online while I am and frequently there's no-one. You can disregard the often-indicated 70 or so 'guests' because most of them are bots and web crawlers - I've analysed the data on many occasions.
 

Ruby

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I'm interested! There's a very charismatic character in Texas called Martha Atkins who specialises in helping people close to death and their families. She has talked about her experiences.
 

mac

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I'm interested! There's a very charismatic character in Texas called Martha Atkins who specialises in helping people close to death and their families. She has talked about her experiences.
Then write a posting about your interest etc! Remember, though, that helping someone whose passing is approaching isn't the so-called near-death-experience. Postings on help etc. should go elsewhere.
 
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Ruby

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There's a TED talk online in which she talks of dying people who seem to be able to see things invisible to others around them. Worth a look. It's interesting that the reports of near death experience involve patients seeing only those who predeceased them. Of course, death itself may be completely different and just be a blank, who knows, and the power that the mind seems to have to know things beyond the capacity of the senses just stops at that point. At present the mind seems to go on working for about three minutes after death, from what I've understood. After that there's too much damage and the patient can't be resuscitated. I know the point at which death occurs is debatable, but I've only read about it in general terms.
 

RobertaGrimes

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There's a TED talk online in which she talks of dying people who seem to be able to see things invisible to others around them. Worth a look. It's interesting that the reports of near death experience involve patients seeing only those who predeceased them. Of course, death itself may be completely different and just be a blank, who knows, and the power that the mind seems to have to know things beyond the capacity of the senses just stops at that point. At present the mind seems to go on working for about three minutes after death, from what I've understood. After that there's too much damage and the patient can't be resuscitated. I know the point at which death occurs is debatable, but I've only read about it in general terms.

Dear Ruby and others, the following things are true:

1) NDEs are unrelated to actual death - these are simply two different phenomena. NDEs involve out-of-body travel in the astral, and more extensive ones will sometimes find the experiencer arriving at the barrier to the actual afterlife - so people are told that if they proceed any further they won't be able to come back - but we are told by those who actually know that a completed death is always a one-way trip.

2) Actually, we have extensive knowledge of the process of a normal, planned death, from the period a few days before death to the happy arrival in the afterlife levels. The whole death process is amazingly consistent from person to person and across cultures. My book, The Fun of Dying, outlines the process, and there are others who have documented it as well.

3) Insofar as we can determine, the severing of the silver cord is the moment when death is irrevocable, although - as Mac said above - the cause-and-effect order may be debatable.

4) To go at death from the viewpoint of the physical, as you are doing here, is kind of meaningless, since all you can catalog this way is the shutting-down of the brain and other organs. In fact, the mind is free of the brain usually some hours before it starts to shut down, and it is during that brain-free period when the body is nevertheless still alive that people with dementia will suddenly be normal and lucid, when those who were in comas will wake up and talk normally, and so on. The mind is much healthier and more powerful once the brain is no longer in the way!
 

Auras

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We’ve had people often share their stories about their NDE’s stating that they’ve actually died, yet they still live to tell us about it which is contradictory.

A near death experience according to what I’ve gathered is just that: Near death. Ones spiritual cord was never severed from their body and wherever they were during their near death more than likely took place in the astral realm (if anywhere at all).

I’m not an expert on this, but I’ve seen plenty of members mention NDEs through out this forum and noticed that none have said anything in this section yet.

So let’s start with clarifying what an NDE actually is and then perhaps share some supporting facts, experiences, and articles. Just a suggestion.

:)

Great topic. I love talking about these. I have read some cases where the person has been pronounced dead which is quite interesting.

This is a old article, but I found it interesting.

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-...ences-what-it-feels-like-to-die-10249700.html
 

Ruby

Regular Contributor
Thanks for posting this interesting article, Auras, from a British newspaper, as opposed to a spiritualist source. My son seemed to be able to speak clearly shortly before his death, though not for the previous day. We weren't called into the room in time to witness this as not any longer the next of kin, presumably, as he had married his girlfriend a fortnight before.
 
According to people with near death experience, “Its like entering into a realm, where we don’t have any feeling or any senses.”

Study suggest that our consciousness works even after the heart stops working or body fail to move.

Many survivor of cardiac attack has reported to remember the doctor’s effort to save him or the surrounding conversation after getting live again.
 

mac

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According to people with near death experience, “Its like entering into a realm, where we don’t have any feeling or any senses.”

Study suggest that our consciousness works even after the heart stops working or body fail to move.

Many survivor of cardiac attack has reported to remember the doctor’s effort to save him or the surrounding conversation after getting live again.
welcome to ALF :)

The subject of so-called near death experience is one often raised on ALF because many think it means an individual died and was then 'brought back to life'. That's wrong because death is irreversible and final.

The term 'near death' simply implies the individual appeared to be - and may actually have been - near to death but ultimately survived and lived on in this world.
 

kim

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I’m not an expert on this, but I’ve seen plenty of members mention NDEs through out this forum and noticed that none have said anything in this section yet.


Hi Poeticblue, I am certain I was one of those members who mentioned NDEs on the forum in inappropriate places. I was gone for a while from the forum. I have started back again, and I just noticed this thread. I had an NDE in 1983 and have been experiencing scenes witnessed during the NDE for the last 37 years. It is spooky at times but other times can be comfortably affirming of where I am in my life journey.
 

mac

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Although the so-called near death experience is unlike actual bodily death in important ways the experience - or reading about others' experiences - can be a great opener to beginning to look into the notion of survival. But it seems that the NDE per se is of more interest to some/many than going further with it. A similar situation may be found where physical phenomena in a certain kind of mediumship are more interesting than delving into the aspects of survival and communication they foreshadow.

I have been surprised, and somewhat disappointed, that creating a dedicated forum to discuss this phenomenon hasn't resulted in much interest or the arrival of new members. :( Mostly we're just 'preaching to the choir' here if the subject does come up.
 

Lola Hoovler

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Then write a posting about your interest etc!

Remember, though, that helping someone whose passing is approaching isn't the so-called near-death-experience. Postings on help etc. should go elsewhere.

I believe that NDE's are one of the biggest mysteries out there. I have read hundreds of these and can't help but think that they seem "staged" but by whom? It is common for the experiencer to say they want to stay there but are told they have to return (to their bodies). If so, then why does a person have one - what would be the purpose. It seems as if someone wants them to go back and tell what they experienced, but again, why? Many times a person sees things that haven't been invented at the time of their experience, but are invented in the future (i.e. a lady had an NDE in 1962 when she was a teenager, and saw a laptop computer. She asked what it was and was told she would be using one in the future. When laptops came out, she was flabbergasted, and she eventually was using one on a daily basis for her job. There are other similar cases, so to say NDE's are a product of one's subconscious mind is erroneous. To say she just stumbled onto a person using a laptop computer makes no sense, as why would a laptop computer be necessary in a non-physical reality?
 

mac

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I believe that NDE's are one of the biggest mysteries out there.

Not so for me, Lola


I have read hundreds of these and can't help but think that they seem "staged" but by whom?

I don't have your exposure to so many but the accounts I've heard didn't sound "staged" as you suggest.


It is common for the experiencer to say they want to stay there but are told they have to return (to their bodies). If so, then why does a person have one - what would be the purpose.

The near-death-experience isn't the same as Astral Projection for an Out-of-Body-Experience. As I view an NDE it comes about as a consequence of severe physical trauma leaving a person's body badly injured and it's in such conditions that the consequent near-death-experience occurs. They're not something a person elects to have. If you take a look at ALF member kim's postings about her experience in my homeland it will give you an insight into what happened to her.

It seems as if someone wants them to go back and tell what they experienced, but again, why?

That's not my conclusion. The individual tells what's happened because it's been so dramatic although there may be some spirit orchestration of events to achieve a general or specific outcome - that's my conjecture though.


Many times a person sees things that haven't been invented at the time of their experience, but are invented in the future (i.e. a lady had an NDE in 1962 when she was a teenager, and saw a laptop computer. She asked what it was and was told she would be using one in the future. When laptops came out, she was flabbergasted, and she eventually was using one on a daily basis for her job. There are other similar cases, so to say NDE's are a product of one's subconscious mind is erroneous. To say she just stumbled onto a person using a laptop computer makes no sense, as why would a laptop computer be necessary in a non-physical reality?

It's oft been said that humankind's inventions were inspired by spirit-side scientists and who can prove that's so or not? It's certainly interesting, even intriguing, and for many - I'm guessing - far more interesting than the totally inescapable follow on that life is eternal - we humans survive death of the body and we always have done.
 

baob

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I believe that NDE's are one of the biggest mysteries out there. I have read hundreds of these and can't help but think that they seem "staged" but by whom? It is common for the experiencer to say they want to stay there but are told they have to return (to their bodies). If so, then why does a person have one - what would be the purpose. It seems as if someone wants them to go back and tell what they experienced, but again, why? Many times a person sees things that haven't been invented at the time of their experience, but are invented in the future (i.e. a lady had an NDE in 1962 when she was a teenager, and saw a laptop computer. She asked what it was and was told she would be using one in the future. When laptops came out, she was flabbergasted, and she eventually was using one on a daily basis for her job. There are other similar cases, so to say NDE's are a product of one's subconscious mind is erroneous. To say she just stumbled onto a person using a laptop computer makes no sense, as why would a laptop computer be necessary in a non-physical reality?
It might have something to do with the time on earth. We were told past, present and future occur at the same time but it has to reflect in linear on earth.
 

Lola Hoovler

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Not so for me, Lola






I don't have your exposure to so many but the accounts I've heard don't sound "staged" as you suggest.




The near-death-experience isn't the same as Astral Projection for an Out-of-Body-Experience. As I view an NDE it comes about as a consequence of severe physical trauma leaving a person's body badly injured and it's in such conditions that the consequent near-death-experience occurs. They're not something a person elects to have.



That's not my conclusion. The individual tells what's happened because it's been so dramatic although there may be some spirit orchestration of events to achieve a general or specific outcome - that's my conjecture though.




It's oft been said that humankind's inventions were inspired by spirit-side scientists and who can prove that's so or not? It's certainly interesting, even intriguing, and for many - I'm guessing - far more interesting than the totally inescapable follow on that life is eternal - we humans survive death of the body and we always have done.

I truly believe that spirit scientists inspire many inventions - even some of the music we hear today. John Lennon swore that the song "Imagine" was "in my head when I woke up" as he put it. Although some NDE's came to a traumatized experiencer, not all were the result of trauma, When I said it seemed "staged," I didn't mean that it was a lie. It's just that many seemed to play out some kind of drama for the experiencer. Almost no one "elects" to have one of these. Years ago, the majority of people didn't even know what an NDE was, but they had them anyway. I used the laptop computer example because laptops were 30 + years in the future at the time of this particular NDE, so my point was that the laptop was a future invention, so I was understandably impressed, just like the lady this happened to (unless of course there are laptop devices up there that are actually being used. Nothing surprises me any more)..

"The individual tells what's happened because it's been so dramatic although there may be some spirit orchestration of events to achieve a general or specific outcome - that's my conjecture though."
"Yes, that's what I meant by "staged." I guess orchestrated would have been a better word.
 

Lola Hoovler

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It might have something to do with the time on earth. We were told past, present and future occur at the same time but it has to reflect in linear on earth.
Yes, I totally agree. This lady was told (as a teenager) that she would be using one in the future, and that's what made me think it was deliberately shown to her. No one wanted to tell her that the past, present and future are simultaneous because in 1962, as a teenager, she would have been totally confused by that concept.
 

mac

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Yes, I totally agree. This lady was told (as a teenager) that she would be using one in the future, and that's what made me think it was deliberately shown to her. No one wanted to tell her that the past, present and future are simultaneous because in 1962, as a teenager, she would have been totally confused by that concept.

She may - but may not - have deliberately been shown a computer for reasons we can only guess at but it's conjecture to assign any special value to her experience. She didn't go on to be involved in their creation in our dimension and even if she'd been glimpsing some potential aspect of the future it might have had little impact on her incarnate life.

The aspect of time periods all occurring simultaneously is still esoteric and unproven even nowadays. Apart from folk like us and others interested in such issues that concept has little or no relevance in our dimension and its importance elsewhere is yet to be established.

It's all too easy to ascribe to an NDE a significance it - and other NDEs - simply may not have other than on a personal level for those experiencing them. Yet deliberately or not the outcomes can literally be life-changing - but maybe also frustrating - for the experiencers.
 
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