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mac

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I wish I could feel optimistic, bb...... Maybe it's just because I'm old but certain things are getting bad in ways we haven't seen before and where we have no past experience on which to draw. Many problem areas are not novel - war, famine, drought etc - but climate change is. Even long-familiar problems haven't taught us much but global climate change is massive and we have absolutely nothing historical to go on.

I don't usually do parochial but in this case I'm saying sod it and I'm gonna write about some of the major problems my tiny homeland faces with immediate effect. They're simple, they're everyday, they're complex and we may not be able to deal with them, I fear.

The UK is committed to Net Zero Emissions by the year 2050. I'll be dead by then so it won't impact me anyway but I worry for those who will be alive and I worry for the planet and all the other forms of life threatened by what's happening. The scale of the changes that need to happen if the UK is to hit its emissions target is breathtakingly massive. We will incur crippling debts when we try - that's certain but politicians dare not say it, even though the vast majority will either be dead or long-gone from politics and no longer accountable.

So much needs to change here but some aspects will be common to the US, to Canada, to Australia - mentioned only because occasionally we see members from those nations. Below are a few of the most pressing examples.

We need to stop burning natural gas, oil and wood. We have to switch to electricity or some other less-polluting fuel(s). We need to generate vastly more 'green' electricity.

We need an updated electricity distribution network, power plant to home, capable of meeting the new demands. We've just (September 20 2023) had the 2030 deadline for the discontinuation of new internal combustion engines returned to the earlier 2035. Even then there's no certainty that date can be met. The change from i/c engine to electrical drive will be HUGELY EXPENSIVE and the eventual costs may mean subsequent generations may never have the freedom to travel we've had since the Model T first hit the highways.

One of the many new demands on electrical energy will be ways to charge the propulsion batteries of millions of new vehicles. Along that road those vehicles will first need much more technical development before they become truly practical. So will battery technology. Right now we're at the equivalent point to where zinc/acid batteries used to be - remember them? There may be 5, 10, 15, 20 or more years before truly efficient and cost effective battery systems can be developed - nobody has any real clue how long.
The vehicle charging network will have to cater for millions of vehicles needing to be charged at the same time - vast numbers of charging points will be needed along with SPACE for their construction. North America may have that but the UK doesn't and many other countries also.


Much of our UK housing stock is old and poorly insulated. Before we can heat them economically using green electricity millions of homes will need decent, modern insulation. The cost will be HUGE - how many will be able to afford it? Where will the materials come from? Where will the technicians be found?

As with the sale of new i/c engine vehicles, in the UK we've just had the target to switch from natural-gas fired boilers (furnaces) reduced. Let me give you an idea why.... At present the only alternative to a replacement gas/oil boilers is a heat pump. Installing a typical gas boiler costs around 3000 GBP and takes a day whereas converting to a heat pump costs from 9000 GBP to 15000 GBP and takes many days to a week or two. How many blue collar / working class folk could afford it?

Even if folk COULD afford to change, there are not enough technicians to undertake the more complex work. And if there were there might not be an adequate supply of heat pumps for them to fit! A point I've wondered about but never heard mentioned is just how noisy it would be with one of these things running on the wall or in the yard of every home? Have you stood outside a hotel in Las Vegas where the external, wall mounted air conditioning units run almost 24 hours a day? It's not nice and would result in many appallingly noisy neighborhoods, I fear, especially in high density housing.

So there you have it - the 'mac moan' about just a tiny number of dramatic changes he anticipates/fears in the future of his tiny, overcrowded, impoverished, broken homeland. I'd expect you'll have your own fears and concerns about your own neighborhoods towns and cities.

Your homeland may do better than I fear mine will..... :(
 

bluebird

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All of your points are valid, unfortunately. I very much doubt the U.S. will do any better -- hell, at this point it's possible the U.S. will implode from its myriad of political issues, fascists, bigots, MAGA idiots, etc., well before climate change does us in. If not, then I think we may be in even more danger from climate change than is the UK, as at least the UK is somewhat willing to help its citizenry, whereas the U.S. is not.
 
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mac

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Agreed on your last point, bb..... Until I began living in the US to some degree I did not understand at all how things work there.
 

bluebird

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It's a horrorshow over here, it truly is -- no universal healthcare, very few social safety nets, (some) extreme right-wing politicians, religious nuts trying to force their views on everyone and into law, shitty jobs with shitty pay, people living in poverty and homelessness, etc.

I am not one of those Americans who believes that America is the metaphorical center of the world and pays no attention to things going on in the rest of the world. I know that things are much worse in some other countries, in terms of war, tyranny, etc. I think the U.S. may, however, be the country that has fallen the farthest from what it once was (and perhaps could be again, if we could rid ourselves of the various aforementioned fascists, bigots, etc.).
 

Ben’s Mum

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Hi guys! I’m back from our fantastic RV road trip and about to fly back to the UK for a few days, but wanted to check in before I start the laborious journey in a steel can.

I see the world in deep trouble and sadness. The climate has always changed and I believe most sensible folk would agree we need to address pollution and find more reliable and financially viable energy options, but it has to be done correctly and not with a knee jerk reaction. Poorer countries need access to cheap energy.

Regarding electric cars, most are costly, inefficient, use copious amounts of so called “bad energy” in production, dangerous in accidents (fires hard to extinguis) and we don’t have the infrastructure to support charging.

The U.K. (from my perspective in Canada) is totally overwhelmed by illegal immigrants that politicians are too weak to do anything about, that will stop or prohibit continual abuse. Here in Canada, immigration is the highest seen but now we have problems with providing housing, health care, education etc., especially concerning as we don’t have the “set up” for struggling Canadians.

We live in a world where some are promoting division and creating animosity amongst its citizens. Humanity used to be tolerant and sensitive to all, but there now appears to be an intolerance for free and critical thinking by questionable entities.

I no longer regard MSM with respect, just as I no longer trust government/medical authorities etc. at any level. I never used to feel this way, only since 2015 in my country. These are just my opinions.

On a lighter note, who knew how much fun it would be to have a road trip in a R.V. We are now hooked!

I look forward to engaging more on my return, although will join in if the opportunity arises (not sure what the WiFi will be like where I’m staying!).
 

bluebird

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Ben's Mum,

I agree with some of your points, and disagree with others. I did want to ask, what makes you feel that "Humanity used to be tolerant and sensitive to all, but there now appears to be an intolerance for free and critical thinking by questionable entities."?

Over the course of human history there have always been tolerant people and intolerant people, and some societies have been more tolerant while others have been less so. While I agree there is, in some quarters, an intolerance for critical thinking (notably, among the right-wing fascists currently damaging my country -- the U.S. -- as well as many others), this is not a new phenomenon. Recorded human history is rife with similar stories, and I'm sure our history prior to being recorded was as well.
 

mac

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I could match any of your stories with my own concerning my homeland but we're teetering on the edge of political comments...... ;)
 

Ben’s Mum

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I don’t disagree with the fact that throughout history, there has been a mix of tolerance and intolerance within humanity but, maybe due to MSM, we are currently provided with a narrative of negative acceptance of objective viewpoints and/or handling of situations within society. The intolerance I am alluding to is demonstrated in one instance by our Canadian PM freezing Canadian citizen’s bank accounts, for those protecting freedom of choice (in this instance, mandating the COVID vaccine).
 
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