Part 3 - 2020 thru. 2021

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mac

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pizzavic - Your brother has every right to follow whatever persuasion he chooses and to hold whatever beliefs are right for him.

ALF does not endorse or reject any particular religion or religious teachings and members are not allowed to get involved in conversations about them.
 

Carol and Mikey

Golden Hearts
hi Carol :) Indeed you are the messenger so my disagreement is not with you or indeed with Mikey either. It's a disagreement over points made in his piece.

Hi Mikey - In all honesty I'd forgotten we had had this conversation previously. It could just be down to my age that I'm getting increasingly forgetful or that it's quite some time since it happened anyway but I do now recall the occasion. I'm thankful that despite my earlier failure to recall that earlier conversation my position on this matter hasn't changed - it's no more acceptable to me now than it must have been in the past. For the interest (?) of anyone following, I am pleased to be re-visiting this topic; your comments will be welcome.


How rare, then, is "rare to be forced"? And very importantly, why do you add the words "..but it is possible" rather than "It happens."?
Does it mean, Mikey, that for all normal intents and purposes the whole notion can all-but be discounted? That for "normal" situations freewill applies to such a degree that any notion of being forced can safely be ignored? Maybe you're really saying being forced happens only in the most unusual, special, unique situations? Even then I find the notion has no appeal to my reason.....



(mac's emphasis above in bold) But now your message is using very different words. You're now saying an individual's guide will "instruct" him. We humans know that being instructed to do something doesn't necessarily mean we will do it - we can ignore the instruction. Being forced is altogether different from being instructed - being "forced" means having no choice. We are made to do something that is against our wishes.


Isn't that what I've repeatedly said, Mikey?
I have learned a few bits and bobs over nearly four decades from spirit teachers and guides widely regarded as spiritually advanced, authoritative and knowledgeable. Consistently I've heard that spiritual progress is open to all no matter what their acts or omissions as incarnates.
This applies even to those who, after their passing, find themselves levels with others of constrained spiritual progress, so-called "outer darkness". I also learned that to 'rise' from these lower levels the individual spirit must actually want to.
Again I learned that at such a point help will always be immediately available from other spirits whose role is to provide that help. But nowhere have I heard it said that some will be forced to return to this dimension.



But WE are not children, Carol and spirit guides are not our parents.....


We parents send our children to school because it's logical and can be seen as being for their long-term benefit in life. And, yes, we may sometimes have to force them to go when they play us up! :) But education is mandatory for most - we are almost forced to educate our children..

Types of school will vary but essentially they teach the fundamentals needed in this world without which many/most of us would flounder and sink - most of us understand and accept why we have to learn. On the other hand we may be forced to attend a particular kind of church where benefit from what's taught is questionable where attendance isn't mandatory but cultural. The benefit by being forced into that situation must surely also be questionable, wouldn't you agree?


But you do have an opinion, Carol, even if you don't choose to express it here. :)
Hi Mac,
Wow! First of all, I guess I shouldn't have put my human thoughts in the post . And I truly don't have an opinion because I really don't care on this subject! :)
When I get messages from my son, I request simple words that I understand. I cannot and do not have time to google definitions. It is obvious that words can mean different things to others. I apologize.
No one ever has to agree with anything I post. *Seek and you shall find is my motto.
Again, Mikey tells me it is rare. He cannot give a number to rare. It is rare. (Take that word any way you want). Again he tells me that 100% of every single soul that has ever reincarnated here to earth over and over is 100% always by choice. Most often it is.
The issue is HOW the soul wants to progress according to Mikey. Yes, that is a choice to want to progress. But in rare certain situations, the issue at hand needs to be taken on in the same dimension according to Mikey. If that soul wants to resolve this and basically rise above it, yet does not want to come here; that's when the push comes. (I won't bring up my human thought.....) Certain things can not be resolved in other dimensions from Mikey's perspective.
I'm done with this subject once again by the way! :)
Carol and Mikey "in Spirit"
 
pizzavic - Your brother has every right to follow whatever persuasion he chooses and to hold whatever beliefs are right for him.

ALF does not endorse or reject any particular religion or religious teachings and members are not allowed to get involved in conversations about them.
Thank you. I appreciate the response.
 

Carol and Mikey

Golden Hearts
Hello Mikey and Carol. My question is: after explaining the afterlife to my brother , who is staunchly catholic, his retort is that all this speaking of the afterlife and that there is no judgement and no hell, may be the devil in general who is trying to entrap us into believing all of this.

My question is: where do I go from here. He fears God and believes that if we disobey him we will be sent to hell.

I thank both of you in advance with blessings and an open heart. Victor.
Hi Pizzavic,
Being raised Catholic, I understand your brother's thoughts. It is totally up to him what he chooses for spiritual needs.
Personally, my thought process gradually changed due to the many scandals of the church as well as what was happening to me after Mikey's passing. I struggled terribly with the judging of so many different groups. Basically, they were not practicing what was being preached. It was opposite to Jesus's teachings.
Mikey tells me there is absolutely negative dimensions of the afterlife that are not pleasant and are of low vibration. We are responsible for our actions according to Mikey. You could consider this "hell". However, we can always improve ourselves if we choose. Mikey tells me there is no eternal damnation that is taught here through religion. Also Mikey tells me God is not one man that sits and judges. God is far greater than that and is a Unity of Absolute Pure Love which is infinite. God is the Source of all that exists!
When I wrote the book with the info. from Mikey (Flying High in Spirit), I still wanted approval from a Catholic religious figure. When Sister Joan told me I must do it, and the world needs this right now, I knew it was time to cut my ties. It's hard sometimes to change what we were taught over many years!
Mikey's accident broke me open. Sometimes it takes an experience to look at things differently!:)
Either way, your brother will be fine!
Thanks for joining us here! :)
Carol and Mikey "in Spirit"
 
Hi Pizzavic,
Being raised Catholic, I understand your brother's thoughts. It is totally up to him what he chooses for spiritual needs.
Personally, my thought process gradually changed due to the many scandals of the church as well as what was happening to me after Mikey's passing. I struggled terribly with the judging of so many different groups. Basically, they were not practicing what was being preached. It was opposite to Jesus's teachings.
Mikey tells me there is absolutely negative dimensions of the afterlife that are not pleasant and are of low vibration. We are responsible for our actions according to Mikey. You could consider this "hell". However, we can always improve ourselves if we choose. Mikey tells me there is no eternal damnation that is taught here through religion. Also Mikey tells me God is not one man that sits and judges. God is far greater than that and is a Unity of Absolute Pure Love which is infinite. God is the Source of all that exists!
When I wrote the book with the info. from Mikey (Flying High in Spirit), I still wanted approval from a Catholic religious figure. When Sister Joan told me I must do it, and the world needs this right now, I knew it was time to cut my ties. It's hard sometimes to change what we were taught over many years!
Mikey's accident broke me open. Sometimes it takes an experience to look at things differently!:)
Either way, your brother will be fine!
Thanks for joining us here! :)
Carol and Mikey "in Spirit"
Thank you so very much. We are all blessed
Hi Pizzavic,
Being raised Catholic, I understand your brother's thoughts. It is totally up to him what he chooses for spiritual needs.
Personally, my thought process gradually changed due to the many scandals of the church as well as what was happening to me after Mikey's passing. I struggled terribly with the judging of so many different groups. Basically, they were not practicing what was being preached. It was opposite to Jesus's teachings.
Mikey tells me there is absolutely negative dimensions of the afterlife that are not pleasant and are of low vibration. We are responsible for our actions according to Mikey. You could consider this "hell". However, we can always improve ourselves if we choose. Mikey tells me there is no eternal damnation that is taught here through religion. Also Mikey tells me God is not one man that sits and judges. God is far greater than that and is a Unity of Absolute Pure Love which is infinite. God is the Source of all that exists!
When I wrote the book with the info. from Mikey (Flying High in Spirit), I still wanted approval from a Catholic religious figure. When Sister Joan told me I must do it, and the world needs this right now, I knew it was time to cut my ties. It's hard sometimes to change what we were taught over many years!
Mikey's accident broke me open. Sometimes it takes an experience to look at things differently!:)
Either way, your brother will be fine!
Thanks for joining us here! :)
Carol and Mikey "in Spirit"
Thank you so very much. We are all blessed. I just hope that my father and mother may reach my brother someday. And allow him to live without fear.
 

mac

Administrator
As someone who has for over three decades also tried to help seekers of understanding I have skin in this conversation. I have before asked for an explanation of the claim that certain individuals are forced to reincarnate. I will be consistent in challenging points made but not the people making them.

The notion of reincarnation is riddled with misleading details and claims and I'm disappointed that Mikey hasn't chosen to support and defend his ideas. When anyone's intention is to offer guidance then consistency is the watchword and that is missing in connection with this notion of some individuals being forced to reincarnate.

Nothing I talked about needed defining, be it using a dictionary or via an online search. We all understand what's meant by forcing someone to do something so if a soul is "forced" to reincarnate then it's incumbent on the one who declares it so to explain how, when and why that happens - and how often. If Mikey's role is that of a teacher it's his responsibility to explain what's not understood until it IS understood. (My own responsibility as an incarnate educator was that if one way of explaining did not work then the teacher needed to find a suitable alternative way.) At minimum Mikey should be choosing his own words and his choice should not be constrained by a request they be simple ones. If alternative words are chosen then the risk is run that suitability/applicability could be compromised.

In response to my request for an explanation I get : "Mikey tells me it is rare. He cannot give a number to rare. It is rare. (Take that word any way you want). Again he tells me that 100% of every single soul that has ever reincarnated here to earth over and over is 100% always by choice. Most often it is." Please forgive my directness but how is that explaining the idea of "being forced"? When I asked how and/or why often I get no clear indication and that's not an explanation at all. It has NEVER been about which dimension reincarnations may take place or their suitability, something spoken about at length above.

Maybe this example is one of the limitations of trans-dimensional communication, the method used and the individuals concerned. Telepathy is understandably constrained by the receptiveness of the receiver, the ability of the transmitter and the method. Using a pendulum may introduce the risk of coloration from the mind of the receiver of any details. Any ideas, prejudices or beliefs can never totally be ruled out in any form of mediumship and any medium should be aware of that possibility.
 

mac

Administrator
Hi Mac,
Wow! First of all, I guess I shouldn't have put my human thoughts in the post . And I truly don't have an opinion because I really don't care on this subject! :)
:)
Carol and Mikey "in Spirit"
Carol you are of course totally free to present whatever thoughts you choose. :) We, of course, are free to respond to them but when you're communicating Mikey's responses to questions wouldn't you agree it's best if we 'hear from' just Mikey?

I will accept you have no opinion on the specific topic under discussion but earlier you had 'spoken' about the way you had been forced to go to school and forced to go to church in the same paragraph as being forced to reincarnate. The inference seemed to be you were seeing all those situations as similar and that's why I felt you were expressing an opinion.

I was challenging the points Mikey had made.
 
Thank you , Carol and Mikey, for seeking to teach us in a simple manner the truth about reincarnating. Carol, I know you personally , and I know you are exhausted by both your work in the health care field, ssoooooo challenged by COVID, and with keeping up with the forum. Carol, you report what Mikey is telling you from his perspective, and you do not have to ever try to explain further from an earthly perspective. I know you as "Clueless Carol"....although clearly you are not. I value the messages Mikey sends us from the better side and just keep it simple, as he tells it!!l Please don't give up on the forum. You are very valued. Rest, retire, and rejuvenate!! The future for you is so exciting and you have, and will, continue to help so very many people. Thank you and love you!!
 

mac

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Thank you , Carol and Mikey, for seeking to teach us in a simple manner the truth about reincarnating.
I hope members will acknowledge that when I disagree about a point - as I have yet again on this contentious issue - I am not disagreeing with Carol.

Remember, please, it's only Mikey offering his ideas about reincarnation. What he says ".... most often it is our choice...." is close to what teachers and guides of old have said. But when he says: ".....It is quite rare for a soul to be forced." he's adding an extra aspect and it's trying to understand that I've been trying to work towards.

Mikey can not be unaware that what he's saying isn't uncontroversial, if only because I and he have 'crossed swords' about it in the past. He didn't give us examples then though and he's not doing it this time. I agree it would be teaching in a simple manner if it had just been said reincarnation is a choice we make but it's not simple when it's inferred that some individuals will be forced to reincarnate - but without explaining why.

Carol, I know you personally , and I know you are exhausted by both your work in the health care field, ssoooooo challenged by COVID, and with keeping up with the forum.
I know Carol only from the years we've both been here but I hope she'll agree I've been supportive of what she and her son have tried to do. I feel for Carol because healthcare workers generally are exhausted emotionally and physically by the pandemic. But she's never under any obligation or pressure to keep up with answering questions. Members are privileged they can ask - it's not an entitlement.

Carol, you report what Mikey is telling you from his perspective, and you do not have to ever try to explain further from an earthly perspective.
No argument about Carol's role - I've already made that clear. Remember though, please, that it's not Carol providing the details and neither I nor other members are asking her view or asking her to explain anything.

I know you as "Clueless Carol"....although clearly you are not.
I'm sure that's an affectionate term and I agree that Carol is far from clueless.

I value the messages Mikey sends us from the better side and just keep it simple, as he tells it!!
I agree - the simpler the message the better but when it's not, when a point is challenged, then it should be Mikey who responds. There's an old saying that "Spirit loves an enquiring mind." I was taught always to "Question the spirit." and that's what I do, not just on ALF but in other places where I'm a long-time regular. I've been around here for a similar time to Carol and Mikey and doing "this stuff" for a lot longer.

Please don't give up on the forum. You are very valued. Rest, retire, and rejuvenate!! The future for you is so exciting and you have, and will, continue to help so very many people. Thank you and love you!!

If spending time on ALF is taxing Carol then I endorse your encouraging her to rest and recuperate. I wouldn't want anyone to be exhausted yet feel obligated to post. I'm the last person to press Carol and - if I may modestly say so - I was instrumental in her return after her long break from ALF. The last thing I want is for her to feel under pressure.
 
I hope members will acknowledge that when I disagree about a point - as I have yet again on this contentious issue - I am not disagreeing with Carol.

Remember, please, it's only Mikey offering his ideas about reincarnation. What he says ".... most often it is our choice...." is close to what teachers and guides of old have said. But when he says: ".....It is quite rare for a soul to be forced." he's adding an extra aspect and it's trying to understand that I've been trying to work towards.

Mikey can not be unaware that what he's saying isn't uncontroversial, if only because I and he have 'crossed swords' about it in the past. He didn't give us examples then though and he's not doing it this time. I agree it would be teaching in a simple manner if it had just been said reincarnation is a choice we make but it's not simple when it's inferred that some individuals will be forced to reincarnate - but without explaining why.


I know Carol only from the years we've both been here but I hope she'll agree I've been supportive of what she and her son have tried to do. I feel for Carol because healthcare workers generally are exhausted emotionally and physically by the pandemic. But she's never under any obligation or pressure to keep up with answering questions. Members are privileged they can ask - it's not an entitlement.


No argument about Carol's role - I've already made that clear. Remember though, please, that it's not Carol providing the details and neither I nor other members are asking her view or asking her to explain anything.


I'm sure that's an affectionate term and I agree that Carol is far from clueless.


I agree - the simpler the message the better but when it's not, when a point is challenged, then it should be Mikey who responds. There's an old saying that "Spirit loves an enquiring mind." I was taught always to "Question the spirit." and that's what I do, not just on ALF but in other places where I'm a long-time regular. I've been around here for a similar time to Carol and Mikey and doing "this stuff" for a lot longer.



If spending time on ALF is taxing Carol then I endorse your encouraging her to rest and recuperate. I wouldn't want anyone to be exhausted yet feel obligated to post. I'm the last person to press Carol and - if I may modestly say so - I was instrumental in her return after her long break from ALF. The last thing I want is for her to feel under pressure.
Mac, you have indeed been very helpful to Carol. She actually is retiring from her career soon and I believe will be back on the forum. She’s just hit a wall for a time. I didn’t mean to oversimplify things and I know you’ve got Carol’s back. Somehow I think Mikey is wherever he is at the moment, laughing at all of this. Take care.
 
Hello Mikey and Carol. I am new here and I appreciate the opportunity to learn. ( from every one) I have chosen to become a Lightworker since my spiritual awakening of Cosmic level and I offered daily to serve God. Jesus and Humanity to bring truth and Light to my little corner of the World Louisiana. My area struggled badly and the vibrations and energy here is dimmed and hardly detectable if at all. I felt like in my heart I am meant to be here to do this work and help others. However I feel I am failing in communicating and connecting with my Guide during meditation and reaching out to the other side. I offered daily myself and open myself to what ever is needed to be done here but I am not getting any feedback and feeling discouraged. Now I'm not sure if the other side need me or I'm not worthy enough to serve do you have any suggestions? I truly want to help my Brothers and Sisters here on Earth would you please mention me to the Powers on the other side and perhaps consider my offer to help Thank you Mikey
 

pirimir

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Thanks for answers. Question:
1) Is it possible for people on Earth to achieve physical immortality with the help of science?
 

Auras

Occasional Contributor
Thanks for answers. Question:
1) Is it possible for people on Earth to achieve physical immortality with the help of science?
Even if it were, life would just become meaningless. You wouldn't be able to leave your mark on the world.


Death is what gives our lives meaning. Without death, what's the point?
 
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