Justice and love for those who suffered

[llyonne]

Are we spiritual beings engaging in a brief physical existence? Do we have many of these existences prior to moving beyond the physical cycle?
Do our physical experiences reflect free decisions on our part re: who we'll be, what we'll do,what age and geographic area we'll reside in, what we'll experience? Some philosophies believe so, including those who subscribe to the Seth entity teachings. Including the sad fact that, apparently, we're so focused in three dimensional physical reality, with its abysmally limited senses, we forget our true nature and origins, believing we're just physical bodies operated by a trapped brain which creates our consciousness and ends in oblivion.
One hopes for the former. Because if the latter is true, where's justice for the uncounted billions of people who came before us, endured unimaginable suffering in ages which, up to fairly recently with the advent of modern technology, were primitive,crime-infested,disease-ridden times lacking the technical advantages we enjoy today; situations which, seemingly, nobody in their right mind would willingly undergo.
Since the beginning of time when early family units could anticipate the joy of being hunted by hyenas or other predators, through the following ages in which men,women, children and animals experienced pain,suffering,cruelty, brutality from other humans, disease and so-called natural disasters, the only justification one can see is that every one of these
billions was a spriitual being who willingly chose that particular existence and wrote his or her own script for the "play".
If that isn't true, we're faced with three considerations:
1: Its all a Darwinian joke- nothing more than blind evolution; no Intelligence behind it, no compensation or explanation for those who did not deserve the pain they suffered in their brief lives. Not to forget- this question still applies today, despite the relative comfort of modern technology. The wars,diseases, tornadoes,earthquakes, tsunamis, crime, dictatorships, ridiculous savageries and persecutions performed in the name of religion,greed and ego still plague us.

2: This situation was planned and orchestrated by a malevolent Intelligence which takes pleasure and sustenance in the situation. A small step past the kid with the anthill.
3: Earth time is a delusion. An elaborate hoax. We're actors in repeated passion plays, immersed in our roles to the extent of losing focus of ourselves, our true home and most importantly, our real existences that contain nothing of the house of ongoing horrors we have apparently been unwillingly condemned to eon after eon.

Because when you look about you at what happens to thousands or people every day, right now, as well as what happened to those many before us in every country of the planet, the question is obvious if Someone or Something is behind this:

WHERE'S THE LOVE?

 

[mac]

welcome to ALF

 

[mac]

Are we spiritual beings engaging in a brief physical existence? Do we have many of these existences prior to moving beyond the physical cycle?
Do our physical experiences reflect free decisions on our part re: who we'll be, what we'll do,what age and geographic area we'll reside in, what we'll experience? Some philosophies believe so, including those who subscribe to the Seth entity teachings. Including the sad fact that, apparently, we're so focused in three dimensional physical reality, with its abysmally limited senses, we forget our true nature and origins, believing we're just physical bodies operated by a trapped brain which creates our consciousness and ends in oblivion.
One hopes for the former. Because if the latter is true, where's justice for the uncounted billions of people who came before us, endured unimaginable suffering in ages which, up to fairly recently with the advent of modern technology, were primitive,crime-infested,disease-ridden times lacking the technical advantages we enjoy today; situations which, seemingly, nobody in their right mind would willingly undergo.
Since the beginning of time when early family units could anticipate the joy of being hunted by hyenas or other predators, through the following ages in which men,women, children and animals experienced pain,suffering,cruelty, brutality from other humans, disease and so-called natural disasters, the only justification one can see is that every one of these
billions was a spriitual being who willingly chose that particular existence and wrote his or her own script for the "play".
If that isn't true, we're faced with three considerations:
1: Its all a Darwinian joke- nothing more than blind evolution; no Intelligence behind it, no compensation or explanation for those who did not deserve the pain they suffered in their brief lives. Not to forget- this question still applies today, despite the relative comfort of modern technology. The wars,diseases, tornadoes,earthquakes, tsunamis, crime, dictatorships, ridiculous savageries and persecutions performed in the name of religion,greed and ego still plague us.

2: This situation was planned and orchestrated by a malevolent Intelligence which takes pleasure and sustenance in the situation. A small step past the kid with the anthill.
3: Earth time is a delusion. An elaborate hoax. We're actors in repeated passion plays, immersed in our roles to the extent of losing focus of ourselves, our true home and most importantly, our real existences that contain nothing of the house of ongoing horrors we have apparently been unwillingly condemned to eon after eon.

Because when you look about you at what happens to thousands or people every day, right now, as well as what happened to those many before us in every country of the planet, the question is obvious if Someone or Something is behind this:

WHERE'S THE LOVE?

I'm kinda thinking this is rhetorical. Am I right?

 

[llyonne]

Consider it a personal feeling expressed to invite response from others who may also see the
situation in similar terms

 

[mac]

Consider it a personal feeling expressed to invite response from others who may also see the
situation in similar terms

OK
Yours is an extremely negative approach. It's not at all the way I see life incarnate. Do you understand/accept the notion of life and survival beyond corporeal death?

Do you find anything nice in this world?

 

[llyonne]

How DO you see life incarnate Mac? Death and Backers apparently learn we are here on a spiritual contract. We participate in much of the "script"
for our physical lives. Our senses and physical bodies are limited and frail. After death we return home and discover the "identity" we assumed
on Earth is not in fact who we are. Nor are the lives we experienced our real story. Some folk report they don't recognize the body they're leaving as their own. Those returning to the body sometimes don't know what it is, what this world is or who they are for a short period of time. Very few, apparently, are willing to return to this place after having revisited the wonders of their true homes and beings. So yes, if this is true, we're temporary participants, experiencing amnesia, to assist our learning and spiritual development through pain and suffering here on Earth.
Finding anything nice in this world? You asked..there are many wonderful things in this world. It's the opposites which seem almost magnified beyond necessity, the harm to women, children and small helpless creatures. Perhaps these things are part of the learning process we're here for.
Despite nice people, good food, pleasant weather, nice stuff etc.. it's all there. Maybe to help us through the three score and ten.
But even if we are spirits in temporary physical shells, wilfully giving up our memories of home and greater identity in order to come to this
place and learn through adversity- the woefully limited conciousness filtered by the brain has a real problem with the magnitude and extent of the suffering which occurs here. It wonders if we had to take it this far for so long. Be well

 

[mac]

very philosophical - In your opening posting you asked where is the love. Have you never found it in YOUR life? Is that why you come over so negative?

 

[llyonne]

There is much love in my personal life. Always has been. Negativity comes from seeing the lack of love endured by so many people, not only at the hands of others, but by Nature itself. What kind of people abuse and torture men, women, small children and animals, who, instead of receiving the love they deserve, are recipients of exactly the opposite? And if a higher power of some kind is involved, what kind of Being would create lifeforms capable of committing atrocities? What kind of Being would create a Nature whose violent workings destroy the lives of so many?
Watch the usual reports of tornadoes, earthquakes, volcanoes, tsunamis, disease, cancer and everything aside from what people do to other people.
Try to understand what kind of Being(s) would put us in such a place and allow this to happen daily.
Now..it may be that WE are far more than
we seem to be. That WE are Beings whose true identities and lives are far removed from the limited, short-lived physical beings inhabiting this planet. That we willingly come here to learn through pain and suffering. The theory - that we are not the identities we relate to during our earthly tenure- would then put some sense to all this. It would mean that everyone is a spirit, soul, what have you, in a chosen body, for a chosen period of time, to experience specific things before leaving that body. So a small child suffering at the hands of adults may in fact be an old soul
here for an experience. This idea is the only one I find which justifies the suffering and hurt experienced by so many who need (and needed) help they never received. Want an example? Several years ago, the body of a little boy discovered in Edmonton. 1 1/2 years old, in the hands of two
parents charged with his murder. Never loved. Never cuddled. Died of a blow to the head. Where was the love for him ( and so many others)? What kind of Being allows that kind of circumstance to exist in the first place? The pain I feel coming from that sort of report creates the negativity you have asked about. Its not that love is lacking in this world. There is much of that. Many good things. Many wonderful people. And the so-called No Good Without Evil philosophy. Nevertheless- why such a magnitude and continuance of cruelty to the vulnerable, especially the little ones who so need to be loved? I am not religious. My ideas seem to partake more of the spiritual mode. But sometimes I have to ask the question nevertheless..Where was God when these folk needed help the most?

 

[mac]

I don't think you answered an earlier question I put to you, viz "Do you understand/accept the notion of life and survival beyond corporeal death?" Based on what you've written I suspect not and if so then you'll have a view of life very different from my own. And please forgive me when I add that my thoughts are that you may have a depressive illness that leads to your expressing so much that is negative, so little that is positive.

If you're looking for God you may need to look elsewhere than these forum pages. Afterlife Forums is predicated on there being a life after corporeal death and topics have tended to focus on that plus related spiritual issues. The nature of God and how it figures in our lives is one perhaps for discussion in other forums.

I have no personal doubts or concerns that there is a creative energy we usually refer to as God - period. I could answer all your questions pretty easily but without your having an appreciation of - and a context for - life, death, what follows (and indeed what preceded them all) I feel there would be little point my doing so.

Other members may, of course, be able to help where I can't.

 

[llyonne]

Thought my reply had answered your query re: do I understand the notion of life after corporeal death. I understand the notion completely, including the description of what this existence is purportedly like ,via mediums and people who describe their personal near death experiences. I have read extensively, from Kubler-Ross, Raymond Moody, Eban Alexander and descriptions from many people about what they experienced just prior to being returned to their bodies ( many, apparently, unwillingly). I am currently reviewing material from Cyrus Kirkpatrick and Jurgen Ziewe. I have had one possible connection to life after death in the death of my father. Just days before his passing, while in a hospital bed, my brother and myself stood there and listened to him having a very happy conversation, quite lucidly, with someone. His eyes were closed, we are not certain he slept..but as a person with Dementia, he appeared to be more clear-headed and happier than we had seen him in weeks.
It is said that conciousness sometimes leaves the body in stages; thus one can be aware of this world and aspects of the next, with deceased loved ones present, even prior to physical death. We hope that is what was occurring. There are many reports of people near death encountering loved ones, other beings and surroundings not discernable to attending family, medical professionals and hospice staff. These latter apparently witness amazing events as a person begins his or her journey. I am not looking for God. Whatever is out there goes beyond our conventional understanding. There may be something or someone(s) at higher levels who manage or assist the situation. Certainly these beings figure in just about any nde one reads about.
Perhaps we ourselves are part of that overall creative energy you speak of. Maybe its something we work with side by side.
As to depressive illness, there is admittedly some generalized anxiety, which one hopes doesn't invalidate the ideas expressed here.
Many people suffer from a variety of problems while getting through this life. I am well aware of those I need to deal with when it comes
to loss of life and loved ones with no present empirical data to support what may come after. At 71 years of age, I don't feel I've done too badly.