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JJHome

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My question was basically what one would do, should they choose to NOT have any further incarnations, which would mean that for the rest of their existence, they would be in the afterlife realm only. As I said, eternity is a LONG time. One could say that some choose to incarnate to avoid boredom, but assuming that one has just decided that they’ve had enough, and want to stay there… what can one do to literally fill an eternity, lol.

I do like bluebird’s idea of exploring ours and maybe other universes, maybe going back in time, seeing those eras…
Maybe we can create other universes or realms. I have a hard time believing ours is the only one.
 

BruceAdama

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There’s so much I’d want to do in this universe and this physical realm if I didn’t have to worry about time, or health issues…

I’d love to see what Earth was like before man, visit ancient Egypt, walk the American pioneer trail, visit other planets and galaxies…

The ability to create universes would be interesting to explore… I doubt it’d be allowed, but if it is, it opens up some interesting possibilities and debate points.
 

bluebird

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If, as many people say, time does not exist in the afterlife -- at least not in a linear fashion -- then I don't see why you wouldn't be able to see primordial earth, ancient Egypt, and pioneer America. In my opinion, being able to visit other planets and galaxies is probably even more likely, as it only involves travel in space, not time.

I don't know if it's possible for us to create actual universes, but who knows. I do think it might be possible for us to create facsimiles or simulations of planets or universes, though, just without real living beings in them (because we are not god/s).
 

JJHome

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If, as many people say, time does not exist in the afterlife -- at least not in a linear fashion -- then I don't see why you wouldn't be able to see primordial earth, ancient Egypt, and pioneer America. In my opinion, being able to visit other planets and galaxies is probably even more likely, as it only involves travel in space, not time.

I don't know if it's possible for us to create actual universes, but who knows. I do think it might be possible for us to create facsimiles or simulations of planets or universes, though, just without real living beings in them (because we are not god/s).
Yeah, I like your description, more like simulations etc. I mean and others could visit our simulations if they wanted to. Sometimes I find myself in a lucid dream, and for some reason in the dreams I am able to purposely "create" gorgeous landscapes. I'd love to create a really pretty place that anyone could come and visit if they wanted to, just to enjoy the beauty of the surroundings and relax.
 

bluebird

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Yeah, I like your description, more like simulations etc. I mean and others could visit our simulations if they wanted to. Sometimes I find myself in a lucid dream, and for some reason in the dreams I am able to purposely "create" gorgeous landscapes. I'd love to create a really pretty place that anyone could come and visit if they wanted to, just to enjoy the beauty of the surroundings and relax.

That does sound lovely....I hope that's how it actually is! :)
 

mac

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It's an old movie but "What Dream May Come" shows very much what you guys are talking about and hoping for. Yes artistic license is used liberally because it's entertainment but some aspects appear very much in line with what I understand the situation to be in reality.

I like to keep things simple and real. Sure we'll be able to affect/influence/create our local 'environment' (from what I understand) and it looks very likely that others may be able to share it, at least to some degree. All the talk, though, about creating planets or galaxies or traveling back in time is good, knock-about fun but isn't reality based on what I've learned. Remember that the physical galaxies we see may not be visible to those in the etheric and if they can't be seen then they might not be able to be visited in the way we understand visiting. Similar goes for this world too....

Beyond such considerations I think at least some of what we create may be virtual as opposed to material, the equivalent perhaps of what we experience in a dream state. I am not persuaded such experiences can readily be shared.
 

BruceAdama

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All the talk, though, about creating planets or galaxies or traveling back in time is good, knock-about fun but isn't reality based on what I've learned.
Well… there MIGHT actually be a workaround regarding this…

Let’s say that one creates their ideal home and environment in the afterlife… IF they also imagine/visualize a sky with stars, basically a cosmos… it’s possible that they could maybe explore that cosmos which they have created within their own environment. I mean, say they choose to live in a mountain meadow… it’d basically be the same thing as being able to explore the landscape around you, as the sky and heavens (within your environment) would be part of it, as you created it, with your own thoughts.
 

JJHome

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Well… there MIGHT actually be a workaround regarding this…

Let’s say that one creates their ideal home and environment in the afterlife… IF they also imagine/visualize a sky with stars, basically a cosmos… it’s possible that they could maybe explore that cosmos which they have created within their own environment. I mean, say they choose to live in a mountain meadow… it’d basically be the same thing as being able to explore the landscape around you, as the sky and heavens (within your environment) would be part of it, as you created it, with your own thoughts.
If I can add my thoughts, when I have a lucid dream, which isn't often (unlike some people I have them spontaneously, not intentionally), the level of detail is AMAZING. I mean, crystal clear, colorful, etc. Where am I in the lucid dream? Especially the ones where I'm "creating" the landscapes? Well my guess is I'm creating it in my own mind OR somewhere in the astral. I don't see why, on the other side, someone else wouldn't be able to experience my creation. The plain truth is, none of us is going to know until we get over there. Of course no I wouldn't be able to "create" life, for example living animals or anything like that, but just like I'm able to create a landscape or beautiful area in a dream, I see no reason why in the afterlife I couldn't create a landscape, scene, or realm that others could enjoy. Just like someone over there might paint something, or create their own house where someone could visit, or play a musical instrument and have others share in that experience somehow. Why not?
 

mac

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If I can add my thoughts, when I have a lucid dream, which isn't often (unlike some people I have them spontaneously, not intentionally), the level of detail is AMAZING. I mean, crystal clear, colorful, etc. Where am I in the lucid dream? Especially the ones where I'm "creating" the landscapes? Well my guess is I'm creating it in my own mind OR somewhere in the astral.
Where are you, you ask.... Well you're the best one to answer that - where do you think you are? Are you In the dreamscape you're creating? Do you take part in what's going on? Or do you simply view it rather than playing any part in it?
You MIGHT transiently be creating something material in the Astral but because you're still an incarnate at best you are simply a visitor there - I haven't actually heard of any such thing. Member Poetic Blue might be able to offer some thoughts as dreams is her specialty.


I don't see why, on the other side, someone else wouldn't be able to experience my creation. The plain truth is, none of us is going to know until we get over there.
That latter statement holds good for everything..... BUT on the first point, with whom do you think you'd be sharing your non-material dreamscape creation? I don't recall hearing of any such accounts but maybe others have?


Of course no I wouldn't be able to "create" life, for example living animals or anything like that, but just like I'm able to create a landscape or beautiful area in a dream, I see no reason why in the afterlife I couldn't create a landscape, scene, or realm that others could enjoy.
AFTER you've made your transition to life 'in spirit' - when you've died in this world and passed over to the next - you might well be able to share with other discarnates what you create materially by the 'power of your thought'. That idea certainly appeals to my reason.



Just like someone over there might paint something, or create their own house where someone could visit, or play a musical instrument and have others share in that experience somehow. Why not?
It would make sense to me that the things you create materially you could invite others to share but a dreamscape, something non-material in your mind's eye, might be less easy to share with others. I don't know that though and it might just be a fanciful notion.
 

mac

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Staff member
Well… there MIGHT actually be a workaround regarding this…
Or it might be making things fit preconceived ideas....

Let’s say that one creates their ideal home and environment in the afterlife… IF they also imagine/visualize a sky with stars, basically a cosmos… it’s possible that they could maybe explore that cosmos which they have created within their own environment.
As I've said to you on numerous occasions, if you can create things by the power of your thought then you could interact with them. BUT when you start mentioning imagining or visualising things then you've moved from a material to a non-material scenario. When you do that it's no different from imagining you're at the seaside, the funfair or the Sonoran desert of Arizona. Yes you might explore it in your mind's eye (for want of a better term) but you're exploring only what you're imagining and what you'll find there comes out of your mind. It's not a cosmos - it's a fantasy created there.


I mean, say they choose to live in a mountain meadow… it’d basically be the same thing as being able to explore the landscape around you, as the sky and heavens (within your environment) would be part of it, as you created it, with your own thoughts.
ALL the characteristics of a landscape/dreamscape/skyscape that someone might have created would have come only from that individual's mind. She or he might be able to imagine exploring the created mindscape but what would be found there other than what (s)he created?

Any such suggested workaround, then, would not be a workaround at all.
 
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