Has anyone here had what they believe to be a glimpse of the afterlife?

bluebird

Major Contributor
Has anyone here ever actually died for a few minutes (as from an accident), gone to the afterlife and were then revived? Or other circumstances, it's just that the one I've described seems the most likely to me. I don't so much mean NDEs ("near death experiences" in which you didn't actually die, but perhaps had an out-of-body experience or the like), though secondarily I would be interested in hearing about those as well, as long as you state that's what they are. Some people believe that an NDE does not allow one to experience the same things as does actually dying and being brought back -- I don't know whether or not that's true, but in case it is I would like to maintain a delineation between the two types of experiences.

If you believe that you have had such an experience, I would like to hear about it, and would appreciate you sharing it here. I am most interested in knowing whether you saw your deceased loved ones there and if you were able to reunite with and communicate with them. I would also like to know if you interacted with a being you would call god/creator, and what that was like, as well as any general sense of the nature of the afterlife, what we do there, etc. I am also interested in hearing whether your experience of the afterlife was as you expected based on your religion or lack thereof (i.e., if you are Christian did you see Jesus, if you are Hindu did you see Krishna, etc.), or did your experience not line up with your religious/spiritual beliefs or upbringing.

I hope people are willing to share their experiences, as I would very much like to read them. Thanks.
 

Auras

Occasional Contributor
Has anyone here ever actually died for a few minutes (as from an accident), gone to the afterlife and were then revived? Or other circumstances, it's just that the one I've described seems the most likely to me. I don't so much mean NDEs ("near death experiences" in which you didn't actually die, but perhaps had an out-of-body experience or the like), though secondarily I would be interested in hearing about those as well, as long as you state that's what they are. Some people believe that an NDE does not allow one to experience the same things as does actually dying and being brought back -- I don't know whether or not that's true, but in case it is I would like to maintain a delineation between the two types of experiences.

If you believe that you have had such an experience, I would like to hear about it, and would appreciate you sharing it here. I am most interested in knowing whether you saw your deceased loved ones there and if you were able to reunite with and communicate with them. I would also like to know if you interacted with a being you would call god/creator, and what that was like, as well as any general sense of the nature of the afterlife, what we do there, etc. I am also interested in hearing whether your experience of the afterlife was as you expected based on your religion or lack thereof (i.e., if you are Christian did you see Jesus, if you are Hindu did you see Krishna, etc.), or did your experience not line up with your religious/spiritual beliefs or upbringing.

I hope people are willing to share their experiences, as I would very much like to read them. Thanks.
Hi, bluebird. Thanks for posting this.

While I haven't had one of these experiences, NDERF Home Page is a great resource which has over 4900 experiences logged. While most of them are Near Death Experiences, there are also some spiritual ones which you may find interesting.
 

bluebird

Major Contributor
Thanks, Auras. I have actually read a lot of the old experiences on that site in the past, but it's been quite a while since I visited it (if it's the site I'm thinking of; if it is, the look of it has changed). Looks like there are a lot of new experiences there, which I would like to read.
 

ravensgate

Significant Contributor
I am not sure if I shared this is the past; if I did, feel free to delete, mac.
I call the experience a "dream" but I really am not sure it was a dream. I believe I was in a hypnagogic state, but I could be wrong.
Anyway, I found myself prone on a hill, head turned to my left. I felt I was slipping and I cried out for help. I immediately felt a hand (or arm) holding me up, and at the same time the hill turned from rocky to a verdant green. It was the most beautiful green I've ever seen. I looked around and realized I was in a valley. There were green hill on each side, beautiful, lush green hills. I then looked to the horizon and it was incredible. It looked like the sun, the light was very, very bright but did not bother my eyes. What struck me was the warmth and love emanating from that light. I felt completely safe, accepted and loved by that light - unconditionally so. But the "best" was yet to come... I looked down, and I saw a river, not very wide; the water was running quite rapidly. The water was incredibly clear but was filled (or should I say "it was carrying/transporting") an incredible number of super bright lights. Compare the lights to the tiniest clear LED lights. I was stunned by the sight, and I remember thinking how the water was clear, how the water was "alive"; the water had life.
This happened several years ago. I tried to make sense of the experience. Was it just a dream? Didn't really feel like it. Was I allowed a glimpse of another realm? Did I "die" and briefly began my journey back Home? I do not know. I do remember that when this "dream" ended I tried so very hard to go back to sleep; I wanted to go back to that place, a place of complete serenity, safety, and love, and acceptance - but I was unable to do so.

P.S. I know I have not posted in ages, but I do visit ALF every few weeks or so. It may not be as active as it used to be, but it's still one of the best, and hats off to mac, who has done a great job and keeps it running smoothly; thanks, mac!
 

mac

Administrator
welcome back to the boards and thank you for your generous thoughts :)

I do wish we had the discussions and debates we used to have on ALF but old members leave the pages and the interests of others appear different. The appeal of dumbed-down Facebook special interest pages, along with YouTube videos and a myriad other online sources of information, have resulted in potential ALF members not even seeing this website, I believe.

Time has showed there's usually no going back to the way things used to be.

onward and upward! ;)
 
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Ruby

Significant Contributor
Thanks ravensgate, your description has much in common with those on the site mentioned above by Auras. It sounds like a spiritual experience of some sort.

Regarding bluebird's query, Kim used to post regularly about her near death experience after an accident she suffered while serving in the marines. I once tried and failed to find her original description of what happened.

Someone said on a Zoom lecture that she had had a spiritual experience which had caused her to completely change her life, and said according to the eastern religions she could now be regarded as having better mental wellbeing, whereas if she declared it here she would be regarded as mentally ill.
 
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mac

Administrator
Thanks ravensgate, your description has much in common with those on the site mentioned above by Auras. It sounds like a spiritual experience of some sort.

Regarding bluebird's query, Kim used to post regularly about her near death experience after an accident she suffered whilst serving in the marines. I once tried and failed to find her original description of what happened.

Someone said on a Zoom lecture that she had had a spiritual experience which had caused her to completely change her life, and said according to the eastern religions she could now be regarded as having better mental wellbeing, whereas if she declared it here she would be regarded as mentally ill.
I can think only of kim who has had an NDE and she told us about it on various occasions. I don't think she'll mind my telling you it happened in Wales, UK, where she was stationed when she was in the military. She came off her pedal cycle and her head was badly injured. She was in a coma for some time during which she had the near-death experience that changed her life and her outlook.

Along with most other one-time regulars she's now just an occasional visitor. All her previous questions and conversations should still be accessible by using the 'advanced search' section of the general 'Search' utility whose looking-glass icon can be seen top right.

NDEs, though, are not what bluebird was asking about although in reality the only experiences of life beyond corporeal death come from those experiencing them - by definition. Other experiences, told by those still alive in this world, may have similarities to the 'actual-death-experience' but - again by definition - can be only similarities. I could go on about why but we've walked this path before.

I do, though, totally get that people may believe they died and then 'came back to life'. We could argue the point forever but those who influence my approach have told us repeatedly that death is a one-way journey. It truly is a "When yer dead, yer dead!" situation. When you're dead - when you're body is dead - there's no 'coming back' by your animating spirit to re-animate the body. If that appears to have happened then again by definition it was a near-death experience. To others you may have appeared near to death. You may actually have been close to dying inasmuch as your animating spirit was struggling to keep your body alive because of injury or whatever. But if it eventually did manage to continue animating your body and you later recovered then it was a case of classic near-death-exerience. That's a definition of NDE.

I don't know if I've just coined the expression 'actual-death-experience' (ADE) or if it's being used out there on the world-wide-web. Either way I think it's important to understand that NDE and ADE may seem similar, and in some scenarios may be similar, but they're not similar in every sense. That's got to be doubly tricky for you, bb, because you're not even persuaded that there is life beyond death in the first place. Thinking back I don't remember when the separation of the two became clear in my mind. Maybe similarly to the notion of so-called exit points these companion ADE/NDE notions settled in my psyche long before they became clear? Cloudiness and sediment in some wines clears over time to leave perfect clarity; I think my repeatedly turning over these ideas for a long time has led to eventual clarity of my understanding.

By comparison, I've done something similar with exit points (and other ideas) but it led to my rejecting some of the ways they've been presented and not necessarily their totality.
 
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Ruby

Significant Contributor
You're right. I didn't read bluebird's post carefully enough!
What do you think of cases whereby the person would have died just a few years ago but for advances in medicine and there is no cognition possible under the circumstances and so on? I suppose they are still NDEs though under your definition.
That reminds me that there's a new book out, "Dark Cognition" by David Vernon. The title is thrilling to me!! I might have to buy this one!
 

mac

Administrator
You're right. I didn't read bluebird's post carefully enough!
What do you think of cases whereby the person would have died just a few years ago but for advances in medicine and there is no cognition possible under the circumstances and so on? I suppose they are still NDEs though under your definition.
That reminds me that there's a new book out, "Dark Cognition" by David Vernon. The title is thrilling to me!! I might have to buy this one!
Medicine has evolved and many conditions that used to lead to death are now able to be treated. But a near-death-experience remains just that - if the person didn't die then it wasn't death. ;)

Folk can take or leave the way I see 'near death' but it's not a dictionary definition and I'm in no position to define anything. But if anyone can show me where I'm wrong I'll listen and heed what they say. I've had to do it before when I've been pulled up short over ideas I'd got wrong!

By all means read and enjoy whatever book appeals to you but please, Ruby, remember that no mortal can exactly tell you what the deal is for those who aren't. ;)
 

bluebird

Major Contributor
I am not sure if I shared this is the past; if I did, feel free to delete, mac.
I call the experience a "dream" but I really am not sure it was a dream. I believe I was in a hypnagogic state, but I could be wrong.
Anyway, I found myself prone on a hill, head turned to my left. I felt I was slipping and I cried out for help. I immediately felt a hand (or arm) holding me up, and at the same time the hill turned from rocky to a verdant green. It was the most beautiful green I've ever seen. I looked around and realized I was in a valley. There were green hill on each side, beautiful, lush green hills. I then looked to the horizon and it was incredible. It looked like the sun, the light was very, very bright but did not bother my eyes. What struck me was the warmth and love emanating from that light. I felt completely safe, accepted and loved by that light - unconditionally so. But the "best" was yet to come... I looked down, and I saw a river, not very wide; the water was running quite rapidly. The water was incredibly clear but was filled (or should I say "it was carrying/transporting") an incredible number of super bright lights. Compare the lights to the tiniest clear LED lights. I was stunned by the sight, and I remember thinking how the water was clear, how the water was "alive"; the water had life.
This happened several years ago. I tried to make sense of the experience. Was it just a dream? Didn't really feel like it. Was I allowed a glimpse of another realm? Did I "die" and briefly began my journey back Home? I do not know. I do remember that when this "dream" ended I tried so very hard to go back to sleep; I wanted to go back to that place, a place of complete serenity, safety, and love, and acceptance - but I was unable to do so.

P.S. I know I have not posted in ages, but I do visit ALF every few weeks or so. It may not be as active as it used to be, but it's still one of the best, and hats off to mac, who has done a great job and keeps it running smoothly; thanks, mac!
Thank you so much for posting your experience, my friend. It's good to see you here.

You know my issues with belief in an afterlife, but I must say that I found your description of your experience very peaceful, and I hope that it is something of what the afterlife is like. Given your gifts, if there is an afterlife then I wouldn't be surprised if you were able to briefly visit it even while your body was still very much alive (certainly I hope that was the case, rather than you starting to die).

Absolutely agree with you about mac!
 

bluebird

Major Contributor
I can think only of kim who has had an NDE and she told us about it on various occasions. I don't think she'll mind my telling you it happened in Wales, UK, where she was stationed when she was in the military. She came off her pedal cycle and her head was badly injured. She was in a coma for some time during which she had the near-death experience that changed her life and her outlook.

Along with most other one-time regulars she's now just an occasional visitor. All her previous questions and conversations should still be accessible by using the 'advanced search' section of the general 'Search' utility whose looking-glass icon can be seen top right.

NDEs, though, are not what bluebird was asking about although in reality the only experiences of life beyond corporeal death come from those experiencing them - by definition. Other experiences, told by those still alive in this world, may have similarities to the 'actual-death-experience' but - again by definition - can be only similarities. I could go on about why but we've walked this path before.

I do, though, totally get that people may believe they died and then 'came back to life'. We could argue the point forever but those who influence my approach have told us repeatedly that death is a one-way journey. It truly is a "When yer dead, yer dead!" situation. When you're dead - when you're body is dead - there's no 'coming back' by your animating spirit to re-animate the body. If that appears to have happened then again by definition it was a near-death experience. To others you may have appeared near to death. You may actually have been close to dying inasmuch as your animating spirit was struggling to keep your body alive because of injury or whatever. But if it eventually did manage to continue animating your body and you later recovered then it was a case of classic near-death-exerience. That's a definition of NDE.

I don't know if I've just coined the expression 'actual-death-experience' (ADE) or if it's being used out there on the world-wide-web. Either way I think it's important to understand that NDE and ADE may seem similar, and in some scenarios may be similar, but they're not similar in every sense. That's got to be doubly tricky for you, bb, because you're not even persuaded that there is life beyond death in the first place. Thinking back I don't remember when the separation of the two became clear in my mind. Maybe similarly to the notion of so-called exit points these companion ADE/NDE notions settled in my psyche long before they became clear? Cloudiness and sediment in some wines clears over time to leave perfect clarity; I think my repeatedly turning over these ideas for a long time has led to eventual clarity of my understanding.

By comparison, I've done something similar with exit points (and other ideas) but it led to my rejecting some of the ways they've been presented and not necessarily their totality.

I do see what you mean, mac. I suppose I view it as an afterlife experience, rather than an NDE, if the earthly body was declared dead by a doctor due to a complete lack of neurological and cardiac activity for at least a few moments -- or at least, that's close enough for what I mean.

What do you (or anyone else here) think of Eben Alexander and his book "Proof of Heaven"? He is a neurosurgeon (he was trained at Harvard) who had an NDE -- I know he had contracted a brain disease, I think it was meningitis. After recovering, he asserted that while ill there was no way his brain could have functioned to show him the things he saw, and that it was his soul/spirit which experienced those things. I read the book a few years ago, and appreciated it, but as with all such things it is not actually proof to me, and I'd be interested to know what you and others think of it, if you've read it.
 

mac

Administrator
I do see what you mean, mac. I suppose I view it as an afterlife experience, rather than an NDE, if the earthly body was declared dead by a doctor due to a complete lack of neurological and cardiac activity for at least a few moments -- or at least, that's close enough for what I mean.

What do you (or anyone else here) think of Eben Alexander and his book "Proof of Heaven"? He is a neurosurgeon (trained at Harvard) who had an NDE -- I know he had contracted a brain disease, I think it was meningitis. He asserted that there was no way his brain could have functioned to show him the things he saw, and that it was his soul/spirit which experienced those things. I read the book a few years ago, and appreciated it, but as with all such things it is not actually proof to me, and I'd be interested to know what you and others think of it, if you've read it.
I thought you might have meant that, bb, but apparent death is not the same as death. We believe our doctors know about death but they know only what they can observe and measure - that's really not very much.....;)

I know about Alexander's book but I haven't read it as there really is no point for me. I don't doubt what he experienced any more than I doubt what kim has told me over the years. Of course it's not empirical proof of anything at all but for me it's simply another piece of evidence of something about which I need neither proof nor any additional evidence.
 

bluebird

Major Contributor
I thought you might have meant that, bb, but apparent death is not the same as death. We believe our doctors know about death but they know only what they can observe and measure - that's really not very much.....;)

I know about Alexander's book but I haven't read it as there really is no point for me. I don't doubt what he experienced any more than I doubt what kim has told me over the years. Of course it's not empirical proof of anything at all but for me it's simply another piece of evidence of something about which I need neither proof nor any additional evidence.
Makes sense. ;)
 

ravensgate

Significant Contributor
I read Alexander's book. Imho, it is a book about his personal NDE, and nothing really stood out for me, except when he saw the picture of his biological sister who had died in her early twenties, I believe. He never knew her (he was adopted), but when he saw the picture he recognized the young woman who was with him in the other realm (she served as his guide). This - provided it is true - is what made his book different from others.... for me. Reading about drangonflies, butterflies, bluebirds, etc. is not enough for me. I am most interested in veridical experiences.
Dr. Alexander was ill with meningitis caused by E.coli. He was given less than 3% chance of recovery, if I remember correctly.
 

bluebird

Major Contributor
I read Alexander's book. Imho, it is a book about his personal NDE, and nothing really stood out for me, except when he saw the picture of his biological sister who had died in her early twenties, I believe. He never knew her (he was adopted), but when he saw the picture he recognized the young woman who was with him in the other realm (she served as his guide). This - provided it is true - is what made his book different from others.... for me. Reading about drangonflies, butterflies, bluebirds, etc. is not enough for me. I am most interested in veridical experiences.
Dr. Alexander was ill with meningitis caused by E.coli. He was given less than 3% chance of recovery, if I remember correctly.
It may be time for me to re-read his book again, as I didn't remember the part about his bio sister. I think you're right about him having had a very slim chance of recovery.

Reading about dragonflies, etc., doesn't do much for me either (my own signs of that type mean something to me, and I'm not saying those sorts of signs experienced by others don't mean something to them, but other peoples' experiences of that sort aren't convincing to me) -- I would prefer to hear about provable stuff, too.
 

bluebird

Major Contributor
Bumping this up, as I hope more people have had experiences that they would be willing to share.
 

Auras

Occasional Contributor
Bumping this up, as I hope more people have had experiences that they would be willing to share.
In an earlier reply to you, I mentioned that I haven't had any of these experiences, more so because the experience I had seems rather ridiculous, like those who claim to communicate with Jesus. I remember sometime ago I spoke to an SNU member and she told me that there are plenty of people who claim to communicate with Jesus.

I don't really tell others about this experience because I have at times, been called delusional but it's worth a share so take from it what you will. This experience happened at a very hard time in my life. I used to believe what I felt and saw was real but overtime, as I have grew up I have adapted a more logical mindset.

Anyway, one night as I were laying in bed with my eyes closed, I found myself standing in an area, By the looks of it, It seemed like I was in Egypt, I could see the dust of the sand in the air, the plants sticking out so vibrantly. I saw a man who at the time of the experience, I thought was Jesus. I did not speak and neither did he. We were just standing in each-others presence. He had brown hair, wearing brown ragged clothes. I started to feel a surge of vibrations all over my body, the longer I stood there the more intense and vibrant it got. I felt uplifted, I felt healed, I felt love, I felt positive, I felt happy, but mostly I felt released from all of my problems. I opened my eyes and I could still feel it, days go by and I can still feel the surge of vibrations. The sensations started to disappear after a few weeks but how I felt has never left me and it will be in my memory until the day I pass. It was a magical moment whether It was real or not.
 

bluebird

Major Contributor
In an earlier reply to you, I mentioned that I haven't had any of these experiences, more so because the experience I had seems rather ridiculous, like those who claim to communicate with Jesus. I remember sometime ago I spoke to an SNU member and she told me that there are plenty of people who claim to communicate with Jesus.

I don't really tell others about this experience because I have at times, been called delusional but it's worth a share so take from it what you will. This experience happened at a very hard time in my life. I used to believe what I felt and saw was real but overtime, as I have grew up I have adapted a more logical mindset.

Anyway, one night as I were laying in bed with my eyes closed, I found myself standing in an area, By the looks of it, It seemed like I was in Egypt, I could see the dust of the sand in the air, the plants sticking out so vibrantly. I saw a man who at the time of the experience, I thought was Jesus. I did not speak and neither did he. We were just standing in each-others presence. He had brown hair, wearing brown ragged clothes. I started to feel a surge of vibrations all over my body, the longer I stood there the more intense and vibrant it got. I felt uplifted, I felt healed, I felt love, I felt positive, I felt happy, but mostly I felt released from all of my problems. I opened my eyes and I could still feel it, days go by and I can still feel the surge of vibrations. The sensations started to disappear after a few weeks but how I felt has never left me and it will be in my memory until the day I pass. It was a magical moment whether It was real or not.
Thank you so much for sharing that, Auras. Whether that was Jesus or not, it does sound like a wonderful experience, and perhaps a moment of connection with the divine. In some ways it does resemble other stories I've read from people who felt they experienced god.

I know what it's like to initially believe in an experience but then to begin to doubt it later -- it happens to me all too often when it comes to possible signs from my husband. I think that if you are able to hold on to your belief and to the way the experience made you feel, it would be good to do so.

Again, thank you for be willing to share that very personal moment here.
 

Auras

Occasional Contributor
Thank you so much for sharing that, Auras. Whether that was Jesus or not, it does sound like a wonderful experience, and perhaps a moment of connection with the divine. In some ways it does resemble other stories I've read from people who felt they experienced god.

I know what it's like to initially believe in an experience but then to begin to doubt it later -- it happens to me all too often when it comes to possible signs from my husband. I think that if you are able to hold on to your belief and to the way the experience made you feel, it would be good to do so.

Again, thank you for be willing to share that very personal moment here.
Hi, Bluebird.

It seems most of my spiritual experiences happened as a kid up until my early teens. It seems somewhat quiet now... I am always questioning my belief in the afterlife but it feels like one of them "it's too good to be true" things. While I have many doubts of whether it's real or not, one thing is for certain is that I'll always have hope.
 

bluebird

Major Contributor
It does seem that kids are more likely to have spiritual experiences -- and the younger they are, the more likely. Whether this is because they are not as far removed from "heaven" (having supposedly been there before birth), or because they have vivid imaginations, or both, I don't know, but it does seem to hold true.

You are lucky to have hope (I mean that genuinely).
 

mac

Administrator
We talk about the afterlife as if we blinked into existence only when we were born but I totally get why that is - been there, done that from a similar point many years ago.

Some young children may indeed be thought to be in touch with the spiritual side of life - 'Heaven' - because it's not long since they left it when they incarnated into this physical world. Accepting that should suggest Heaven isn't just a 'place' we get to after death but also the place we left when we chose to incarnate. We were alive before we entered this world.
 

mac

Administrator
The reactions of those who tell their story, sometimes reluctantly, of a glimpse into the next world or an encounter with an entity not of this physical world, range from deep uncertainty thru complete persuasion. Not doubt or uncertainty about what was experienced but about its interpretation. For some the occurrence is immediately life-changing but for others it may happen more slowly or later in life. Yet others find they are left doubting what they experienced and/or what to make of it but may be helped by listening to others' accounts and discussions.
 

bluebird

Major Contributor
If an afterlife does exist, then I agree that it is not only a "place" we go after death, but is also where we were before this life (and between lives, if reincarnation exists and for those who choose to participate in it). I have always felt that it is like that, if it exists at all -- is that not the common viewpoint?

"Yet others find they are left doubting what they experienced and/or what to make of it but may be helped by listening to others' accounts and discussions." -- yep, that's me. ;)
 

mac

Administrator
If an afterlife does exist, then I agree that it is not only a "place" we go after death, but is also where we were before this life (and between lives, if reincarnation exists and for those who choose to participate in it). I have always felt that it is like that, if it exists at all -- is that not the common viewpoint?

"Yet others find they are left doubting what they experienced and/or what to make of it but may be helped by listening to others' accounts and discussions." -- yep, that's me. ;)
The common viewpoint? I have no idea, bb, but few ever ask or talk about a 'before-life'.
 
I just posted a thread on the website which has to do with this, before seeing this thread of yours. I'm going to copy and paste what I wrote there, below:

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I died earlier this year (2021) after my body went completely freezing cold and my heart stopped (I'm not going to provide full details on the event).
After that, I went through a large sequence of rather "unexplainable phenomena" during my 'death experience' (whatever that even means) which felt like it lasted a long time.

5 to 6 days later (apparently) I appeared in a "hospital" and was told I was "in a coma for 5-6 days".
Furthermore, the doctor said, "Don't let it happen again, because next time, we can't bring you back" in a very matter-of-fact way as if you only get a "you get resurrected one time card" (pardon my humor here...but believe me...none of this was funny at all).
This all happened in tandem with an event of a paramedic putting me in the back of an ambulance saying, "I remember my last life, it was confusing" before shutting the doors on me.

Let's just say I am extremely lost as to what in the actual hell is going on because as an educated college-graduate medical professional who used to be the supervisor for large hospitals, this is not what I learned throughout my entire life in any education.
Something is not adding up and I've been in "spiritual grief" about what has been going on since this experience.


Am I the only one that's in this 'place' experiencing everything like this?
Has anybody else literally been dragged through a large rainbow tunnel by multidimensional creatures while being in a strange astral-void form and then entered a quiet quantum plane and room, only to be dragged back to their body with a very "broken existence" that occurs afterwards where nothing is making sense? And yes, that is what happened to me. I remember it, clearly, more vivid and real than anything one could ever "imagine" in this human life.

This (post-death experience) has literally been the most awful and alone experience 'imaginable' and I am hoping to find a place where others have shared some sort of rendition of the true pain, hell, and torment I've been experiencing and experienced; moreover, I'm hoping that somebody has an answer as to how to make "this new experience" all stop and overcome the horrors of what are faced post-death.

I know this probably sounds like "nonsense" to some people and quite frankly I don't care. Believe me, I thought one of the last things I would have ever done in my entire life would be to logon an afterlife forum at 2:52 AM to write this post. I would have bet 1 in 1 trillion against the odds of me ever doing that without even blinking an eye.
I'd like to add there's an entire hospital with records, LAPD, and a psychiatrist that can attest to the truth of all of this, as well as my family member who watched me die on their hallway floor, as well as a host of unanswered...questions.
As much of disbelief as some people possibly are, I am just as much in disbelief.

I welcome any responses...
Thank you....


"


If you want me to further elucidate my "experiences", although I'm a bit concerned that the Universe hates me right now for sharing them or even making it a possibility (I have reasons for me saying this right now, by the way, trust me), feel free to ask..... I'm still sitting here searching for answers, desperately.
 

Ruby

Significant Contributor
Maybe try Bernardo Kastrup or one of these other consciousness researchers. He has plenty of YouTube videos online. You might well glean something from them which will help you. If the content was frightening, it is not a judgement on your character as I've heard Bruce Greyson say (definitely look him up at the University of Virginia, Division of Perceptual Studies).
 

mac

Administrator
I just posted a thread on the website which has to do with this, before seeing this thread of yours. I'm going to copy and paste what I wrote there, below:

"
I died earlier this year (2021) after my body went completely freezing cold and my heart stopped (I'm not going to provide full details on the event).
After that, I went through a large sequence of rather "unexplainable phenomena" during my 'death experience' (whatever that even means) which felt like it lasted a long time.

5 to 6 days later (apparently) I appeared in a "hospital" and was told I was "in a coma for 5-6 days".
Furthermore, the doctor said, "Don't let it happen again, because next time, we can't bring you back" in a very matter-of-fact way as if you only get a "you get resurrected one time card" (pardon my humor here...but believe me...none of this was funny at all).
This all happened in tandem with an event of a paramedic putting me in the back of an ambulance saying, "I remember my last life, it was confusing" before shutting the doors on me.

Let's just say I am extremely lost as to what in the actual hell is going on because as an educated college-graduate medical professional who used to be the supervisor for large hospitals, this is not what I learned throughout my entire life in any education.
Something is not adding up and I've been in "spiritual grief" about what has been going on since this experience.


Am I the only one that's in this 'place' experiencing everything like this?
Has anybody else literally been dragged through a large rainbow tunnel by multidimensional creatures while being in a strange astral-void form and then entered a quiet quantum plane and room, only to be dragged back to their body with a very "broken existence" that occurs afterwards where nothing is making sense? And yes, that is what happened to me. I remember it, clearly, more vivid and real than anything one could ever "imagine" in this human life.

This (post-death experience) has literally been the most awful and alone experience 'imaginable' and I am hoping to find a place where others have shared some sort of rendition of the true pain, hell, and torment I've been experiencing and experienced; moreover, I'm hoping that somebody has an answer as to how to make "this new experience" all stop and overcome the horrors of what are faced post-death.

I know this probably sounds like "nonsense" to some people and quite frankly I don't care. Believe me, I thought one of the last things I would have ever done in my entire life would be to logon an afterlife forum at 2:52 AM to write this post. I would have bet 1 in 1 trillion against the odds of me ever doing that without even blinking an eye.
I'd like to add there's an entire hospital with records, LAPD, and a psychiatrist that can attest to the truth of all of this, as well as my family member who watched me die on their hallway floor, as well as a host of unanswered...questions.
As much of disbelief as some people possibly are, I am just as much in disbelief.

I welcome any responses...
Thank you....


"


If you want me to further elucidate my "experiences", although I'm a bit concerned that the Universe hates me right now for sharing them or even making it a possibility (I have reasons for me saying this right now, by the way, trust me), feel free to ask..... I'm still sitting here searching for answers, desperately.

I saw your postings arrive in early morning PST EST. Rarely a good sign when someone is awake and writing in the dead of night. Please, please, please take a look around this website at some of the forums and the subject discussions in them. I hope you will see we're well used to the subjects you've mentioned and I personally have no reason to doubt what you've told us. Please relax - you're in like-minded company here.
 
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mac

Administrator
Thanks for the input. Do you have any specific videos from him or others?

May I suggest you don't spend time looking online at 'stuff' and at web videos etc? Not until you've begun to understand what's been happening to you......
 

mac

Administrator
I just posted a thread on the website which has to do with this, before seeing this thread of yours. I'm going to copy and paste what I wrote there, below:

"
I died earlier this year (2021) after my body went completely freezing cold and my heart stopped (I'm not going to provide full details on the event).
After that, I went through a large sequence of rather "unexplainable phenomena" during my 'death experience' (whatever that even means) which felt like it lasted a long time.

5 to 6 days later (apparently) I appeared in a "hospital" and was told I was "in a coma for 5-6 days".
Furthermore, the doctor said, "Don't let it happen again, because next time, we can't bring you back" in a very matter-of-fact way as if you only get a "you get resurrected one time card" (pardon my humor here...but believe me...none of this was funny at all).
This all happened in tandem with an event of a paramedic putting me in the back of an ambulance saying, "I remember my last life, it was confusing" before shutting the doors on me.

Let's just say I am extremely lost as to what in the actual hell is going on because as an educated college-graduate medical professional who used to be the supervisor for large hospitals, this is not what I learned throughout my entire life in any education.
Something is not adding up and I've been in "spiritual grief" about what has been going on since this experience.


Am I the only one that's in this 'place' experiencing everything like this?
Has anybody else literally been dragged through a large rainbow tunnel by multidimensional creatures while being in a strange astral-void form and then entered a quiet quantum plane and room, only to be dragged back to their body with a very "broken existence" that occurs afterwards where nothing is making sense? And yes, that is what happened to me. I remember it, clearly, more vivid and real than anything one could ever "imagine" in this human life.

This (post-death experience) has literally been the most awful and alone experience 'imaginable' and I am hoping to find a place where others have shared some sort of rendition of the true pain, hell, and torment I've been experiencing and experienced; moreover, I'm hoping that somebody has an answer as to how to make "this new experience" all stop and overcome the horrors of what are faced post-death.

I know this probably sounds like "nonsense" to some people and quite frankly I don't care. Believe me, I thought one of the last things I would have ever done in my entire life would be to logon an afterlife forum at 2:52 AM to write this post. I would have bet 1 in 1 trillion against the odds of me ever doing that without even blinking an eye.
I'd like to add there's an entire hospital with records, LAPD, and a psychiatrist that can attest to the truth of all of this, as well as my family member who watched me die on their hallway floor, as well as a host of unanswered...questions.
As much of disbelief as some people possibly are, I am just as much in disbelief.

I welcome any responses...
Thank you....


"


If you want me to further elucidate my "experiences", although I'm a bit concerned that the Universe hates me right now for sharing them or even making it a possibility (I have reasons for me saying this right now, by the way, trust me), feel free to ask..... I'm still sitting here searching for answers, desperately.

I don't know if this will be a disappointment but the universe doesn't give a stuff about you.

You don't need to persuade us about what's happened and we don't doubt what you're saying. If we haven't heard the exact similar details before then we'll have heard equivalent.

We don't need to hear every detail of your near-death experience but would it help YOU to share them? There is a forum here where you can do exactly that. Maybe you could also tell us something about you the person?
 

Ruby

Significant Contributor
Thanks for the input. Do you have any specific videos from him or others
I was looking at one the other day from B Kastrup as follows:- Bernardo Kastrup on "Analytical Idealism, Materialism, The Self and the Connectedness of you and I" on the channel "Theories of Everything with Curt Jaimungal". It appears to be four hours long (!) so might be quite comprehensive. I didn't glean much from listening to parts of it! I have noted down a book which I'd be better off with:- "Spiritual Science" by Steve Taylor. It is an accessible form of "Irreducible Mind" by Ed Kelly, which is difficult for the lay person. Ed Kelly is based at the University of Virginia and if you scroll down from the homepage of the Division of Perceptual Studies there are a lot of presentations to watch. But your man for near death experiences is Bruce Grayson. Hope this helps.
 

mac

Administrator
I was looking at one the other day from B Kastrup as follows:- Bernardo Kastrup on "Analytical Idealism, Materialism, The Self and the Connectedness of you and I" on the channel "Theories of Everything with Curt Jaimungal". It appears to be four hours long (!) so might be quite comprehensive. I didn't glean much from listening to parts of it! I have noted down a book which I'd be better off with:- "Spiritual Science" by Steve Taylor. It is an accessible form of "Irreducible Mind" by Ed Kelly, which is difficult for the lay person. Ed Kelly is based at the University of Virginia and if you scroll down from the homepage of the Division of Perceptual Studies there are a lot of presentations to watch. But your man for near death experiences is Bruce Grayson. Hope this helps.

There are websites whose total focus is on near-death, Ruby, and if that's all this member is interested in then maybe he'd do better visiting them.

But I was hoping he'd be looking to understand the bigger picture, something that no NDE website covers because near-death is not - as we've often pointed out - the same as actual, corporeal death. And as NDE isn't death then NDE websites may not be looking at afterlife issues either, I would guess. Horses for courses - who wants what?
 

Ruby

Significant Contributor
Yes, I understand. However, I'm not all that sure what you mean by understanding the "bigger picture". I still think it's worth listening to the likes of B Greyson and other scientists as the research undertaken represents the best efforts of man to find out what is going on when we experience these strange effects, and the poster is a medical professional so he may be more comfortable with an analytical approach.
 

bluebird

Major Contributor
I just posted a thread on the website which has to do with this, before seeing this thread of yours. I'm going to copy and paste what I wrote there, below:

"
I died earlier this year (2021) after my body went completely freezing cold and my heart stopped (I'm not going to provide full details on the event).
After that, I went through a large sequence of rather "unexplainable phenomena" during my 'death experience' (whatever that even means) which felt like it lasted a long time.

5 to 6 days later (apparently) I appeared in a "hospital" and was told I was "in a coma for 5-6 days".
Furthermore, the doctor said, "Don't let it happen again, because next time, we can't bring you back" in a very matter-of-fact way as if you only get a "you get resurrected one time card" (pardon my humor here...but believe me...none of this was funny at all).
This all happened in tandem with an event of a paramedic putting me in the back of an ambulance saying, "I remember my last life, it was confusing" before shutting the doors on me.

Let's just say I am extremely lost as to what in the actual hell is going on because as an educated college-graduate medical professional who used to be the supervisor for large hospitals, this is not what I learned throughout my entire life in any education.
Something is not adding up and I've been in "spiritual grief" about what has been going on since this experience.


Am I the only one that's in this 'place' experiencing everything like this?
Has anybody else literally been dragged through a large rainbow tunnel by multidimensional creatures while being in a strange astral-void form and then entered a quiet quantum plane and room, only to be dragged back to their body with a very "broken existence" that occurs afterwards where nothing is making sense? And yes, that is what happened to me. I remember it, clearly, more vivid and real than anything one could ever "imagine" in this human life.

This (post-death experience) has literally been the most awful and alone experience 'imaginable' and I am hoping to find a place where others have shared some sort of rendition of the true pain, hell, and torment I've been experiencing and experienced; moreover, I'm hoping that somebody has an answer as to how to make "this new experience" all stop and overcome the horrors of what are faced post-death.

I know this probably sounds like "nonsense" to some people and quite frankly I don't care. Believe me, I thought one of the last things I would have ever done in my entire life would be to logon an afterlife forum at 2:52 AM to write this post. I would have bet 1 in 1 trillion against the odds of me ever doing that without even blinking an eye.
I'd like to add there's an entire hospital with records, LAPD, and a psychiatrist that can attest to the truth of all of this, as well as my family member who watched me die on their hallway floor, as well as a host of unanswered...questions.
As much of disbelief as some people possibly are, I am just as much in disbelief.

I welcome any responses...
Thank you....


"


If you want me to further elucidate my "experiences", although I'm a bit concerned that the Universe hates me right now for sharing them or even making it a possibility (I have reasons for me saying this right now, by the way, trust me), feel free to ask..... I'm still sitting here searching for answers, desperately.

Wow. I have no idea what happened to you -- whether it was your imagination, or the last gasps of a dying mind/body, or an NDE, or a glimpse of an afterlife, or what. Whatever it was, it sounds as though it was incredibly frightening for you, so I'm sorry it happened to you.
 

mac

Administrator
Yes, I understand. However, I'm not all that sure what you mean by understanding the "bigger picture". I still think it's worth listening to the likes of B Greyson and other scientists as the research undertaken represents the best efforts of man to find out what is going on when we experience these strange effects, and the poster is a medical professional so he may be more comfortable with an analytical approach.
What I mean by 'the bigger picture', Ruby, is the overall picture about life, about death and about what follows - in that order.

So many individuals arrive seeking specific answers to specific questions when they have no basic grounding about anything relevant. It's like trying to understand advanced mathematics when you have only just learned to add, subtract and do a few of your times-tables. Reading up on specific issues may broaden one's awareness of just how complex a subject is but doesn't really get you much further.

As for scientists and their approach to matters of the spirit let's just say many have a long ways to go! ;) :)
 

mac

Administrator
The first thing that has to be grasped is that death is irreversible. There's no 'coming back' to life once you've died. That's the single most important thing that has to be understood. Once that's been grasped and accepted it's possible to analyse what happened knowing the experience was one that falls into the broad category of a 'near death experience'.

From there one can begin to investigate the 'whys and wherefores' and perhaps start to make sense of something that affects folk all the way from extremely negatively to life-affirmingly positively. We have a forum here on ALF for NDE discussions and if this thread develops I'll move it there.
 
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