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mac

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Hi Mac,
Question 1: Mikey tells me they are very aware of what is happening. Mikey tells me he can literally feel my fear / anxiety at times. He also tells me not to worry.

It's natural for humankind to worry about anything that appears to be a threat. We're hard-wired to do that after all and those who remain close to the earth plane will naturally pick up our anxieties. Telling us not to worry is pointless because worrying isn't a choice we make - events cause us to worry. We don't choose to worry and may be emotionally unable to stop. It's as pointless as telling someone who isn't a worrier to become one, to start worrying.


So I'm doing pretty well even with my job at the hospital.

That's good to hear when so many are experiencing major difficulties.



Mikey tells me the world is not going to end. We are eternal beings. Many lessons are occurring right now, which I think is obvious. There are so many factors of how everyone is affected . Can we pull together as a world and get this conquered / under control?

Speaking only for myself I've never been concerned about this world coming to an end but I hope Mikey's words may reassure those who are. But this virus appears to be a significant threat to the lives we've led up to this point and the world we've grown to know. How the world's populations reacts remains to be seen. It would be great to know we're all gonna work together, that national governments are gonna co-operate with others and with NGOs, that rivalries of all kinds will be set aside, that big businesses will abandon their bottom line and turn to producing what is immediately needed in vast, and expensive, quantities. And that all will work together to deal with this virus. Even as I'm writing it sounds like pie-in-the-sky and a huge sea-change would be needed for even some of those aspects to come to fruition!

Question 2: Mikey tells me this pandemic was not specifically orchestrated by spirit.

Thanks for that reassurance because elsewhere I've read suggestions/intimations it might have been. That sounded nonsense to me and Mikey's words seem to confirm it.

Mikey tells me it is an earthly "reboot or cleansing" in a sense.

I see it as a re-balancing in a world whose values need re-balancing. Not cleansing this virus but quarantining it followed by a 'reboot' of the operating system. Quite whether that will happen on account of Covid 19 remains to be seen and 'short-termism' may continue - get through the immediate crisis, get things settled down and then 'back-to-business'. Unless I'm mistaken one prominent individual is already advocating that in a matter of weeks albeit not in so many words.



We need to remember that the earth is alive. It is energy. What is happening is an eye opener for many who inhabit on this earth according to Mikey.

Putting it that way makes it sound like the stuff 'hippy new-agers' spout on about. Such words mean little to average Joe's and Josephine's battling their way through incarnate life. What the next generations would more likely respond to is a call for us to stop trashing this world and to adopt more socialist values - that would include nations funding research and paying for what's needed. And that means the average gal and guy paying more tax because money doesn't grow on trees.

Beyond those last points I won't go because we don't do political (or religious) discussions on ALF. ;) Try Twitter if you're so minded.



How will this change people? Mikey tells me many good things can come from this experience.

Yes it could but we'll have to wait to see if - and by how much in the longer term - it actually will.


This dimension has many variables from Mikey's viewpoint. (There have been other illness / plagues over the many years here.)

One of the biggest recent pandemics was the so-called Spanish Flu. The CDC indicates about 500 million were infected worldwide and 50 million died. The present situation is different for the moment but that could change rapidly. Yes we should be better placed to respond to Covid 19 but there's no guarantee we'll do better.

Being able to adjust and correct teaches us perseverance and makes us stronger.

It remains to be seen whether humankind is more prepared and better able to respond to this threat.

With all of this, Mikey does say there is great potential for spiritual growth with the learning experiences that are taking place. It can really bring out the love and kindness that is within! Sometimes it takes something big for people to wake up to what is really important. Certainly many things won't be taken for granted....

As with all apparently-negative events there will also be positive outcomes, both of them resulting in spiritual growth. We who are privileged to understand that situation are in a better position to respond differently from those who don't. Whether there's enough of us to significantly alter the shape of the future is moot; mac isn't optimistic but would be delighted to be wrong.

Question 3: Yes, these can be exit points for many according to Mikey. However, the virus itself may have not been known, but it is the vehicle used to make it happen. Again, Mikey cannot say that is the case for all involved.

Carol and Mikey "in Spirit"

As so often it's a yes and/or maybe situation - death because of the virus may be a potential exit point but it may not. My layman view is that for the majority it won't be because Mikey has indicated there was no spirit orchestration of the current situation.


ps As previously I'll shortly be moving my responses out of this C&M Q&A thread so that it's mostly just Mikey's words that will be seen here.
 
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Carol and Mikey

Golden Hearts
It's natural for humankind to worry about anything that appears to be a threat. We're hard-wired to do that after all and those who remain close to the earth plane will naturally pick up our anxieties. Telling us not to worry is pointless because worrying isn't a choice we make - events cause us to worry. We don't choose to worry and may be emotionally unable to stop. It's as pointless as telling someone who isn't a worrier to become one, to start worrying.
That's good to hear when so many are experiencing major difficulties.

Speaking only for myself I've never been concerned about this world coming to an end but I hope Mikey's words may reassure those who are. But this virus appears to be a significant threat to the lives we've led up to this point and the world we've grown to know. How the world's populations reacts remains to be seen. It would be great to know we're all gonna work together, that national governments are gonna co-operate with others and with NGOs, that rivalries of all kinds will be set aside, that big businesses will abandon their bottom line and turn to producing what is immediately needed in vast, and expensive, quantities. And that all will work together to deal with this virus. Even as I'm writing it sounds like pie-in-the-sky and a huge sea-change would be needed for even some of those aspects to come to fruition!

Thanks for that reassurance because elsewhere I've read suggestions/intimations it might have been. That sounded nonsense to me and Mikey's words seem to confirm it.

I see it as a re-balancing in a world whose values need re-balancing. Not cleansing this virus but quarantining it followed by a 'reboot' of the operating system. Quite whether that will happen on account of Covid 19 remains to be seen and 'short-termism' may continue - get through the immediate crisis, get things settled down and then 'back-to-business'. Unless I'm mistaken one prominent individual is already advocating that in a matter of weeks albeit not in so many words

Putting it that way makes it sound like the stuff 'hippy new-agers' spout on about. Such words mean little to average Joe's and Josephine's battling their way through incarnate life. What the next generations would more likely respond to is a call for us to stop trashing this world and to adopt more socialist values - that would include nations funding research and paying for what's needed. And that means the average gal and guy paying more tax because money doesn't grow on trees.

Beyond those last points I won't go because we don't do political (or religious) discussions on ALF. ;) Try Twitter if you're so minded.
Yes it could but we'll have to wait to see if - and by how much in the longer term - it actually will.
One of the biggest recent pandemics was the so-called Spanish Flu. The CDC indicates about 500 million were infected worldwide and 50 million died. The present situation is different for the moment but that could change rapidly. Yes we should be better placed to respond to Covid 19 but there's no guarantee we'll do better.

It remains to be seen whether humankind is more prepared and better able to respond to this threat.
As with all apparently-negative events there will also be positive outcomes, both of them resulting in spiritual growth. We who are privileged to understand that situation are in a better position to respond differently from those who don't. Whether there's enough of us to significantly alter the shape of the future is moot; mac isn't optimistic but would be delighted to be wrong.
As so often it's a yes and/or maybe situation - death because of the virus may be a potential exit point but it may not. My layman view is that for the majority it won't be because Mikey has indicated there was no spirit orchestration of the current situation.
ps As previously I'll shortly be moving my responses out of this C&M Q&A thread so that it's mostly just Mikey's words that will be seen here.
Hi Mac,
This is Carol right now. :)
Mikey tries to calm me as I need that right now with my job . I understand what you say about worry, but Mikey does help me immensely in this area as I tend to have a problem with this at times. I have improved a lot knowing what I know through him. That is why I'm here and went public with my story. I want to give hope. *Watching the World News tonight made me feel ill. Even the music they use is very intense and dramatic. No wonder anxiety is getting so very high. That is a health crisis in and of itself from what I see at the hospital. We need some kind of hope! I wish they would stop being like that. I work in the scene, and we remain level headed!
Mikey stands strong that spirit did not place that virus here. That is not how this dimension works. (I'm guessing some think we are being punished for something, which is so off based or that it is the devil.) Mikey uses the word reboot to give us a simple understanding that things here need to reset and regroup. Rebalancing is also a good term. I do think it is an eye opener.
Knowing what I know makes this easier for me. I know even if I was to get sick and pass, it's truly not the end! What is truly real is Home. But this is one tough school right now!
Carol and Mikey "in Spirit"
 

Tseeker

Occasional Contributor
Hi Mac,
This is Carol right now. :)
Mikey tries to calm me as I need that right now with my job . I understand what you say about worry, but Mikey does help me immensely in this area as I tend to have a problem with this at times. I have improved a lot knowing what I know through him. That is why I'm here and went public with my story. I want to give hope. *Watching the World News tonight made me feel ill. Even the music they use is very intense and dramatic. No wonder anxiety is getting so very high. That is a health crisis in and of itself from what I see at the hospital. We need some kind of hope! I wish they would stop being like that. I work in the scene, and we remain level headed!
Mikey stands strong that spirit did not place that virus here. That is not how this dimension works. (I'm guessing some think we are being punished for something, which is so off based or that it is the devil.) Mikey uses the word reboot to give us a simple understanding that things here need to reset and regroup. Rebalancing is also a good term. I do think it is an eye opener.
Knowing what I know makes this easier for me. I know even if I was to get sick and pass, it's truly not the end! What is truly real is Home. But this is one tough school right now!
Carol and Mikey "in Spirit"
Hi Carol and Mikey. I personally identify with what you say. Mikey’s words are always comforting and I would say being here and learning what I’ve learn from you, Mikey, Mac, Roberta and many others has made these times somewhat easier to handle. I don’t watch news anymore either. They are terrible. Thank you for keeping your head leveled and doing your job at a location that is probably the center of the storm so to speak. I commend you and all of those health professionals who are putting their life’s at risk trying to help others. For them are the higher realms for sure.
 

mac

Administrator
Hi Mac,
This is Carol right now. :)
Mikey tries to calm me as I need that right now with my job .

It wasn't about you personally I made my remark, Carol and I hope you're not upset. I do realise you work in the medical field and caring professionals like yourself naturally do worry about what they're doing and how things are working out. It's totally understandable that Mikey will try to calm his mom who's under such stress.



I understand what you say about worry, but Mikey does help me immensely in this area as I tend to have a problem with this at times. I have improved a lot knowing what I know through him. That is why I'm here and went public with my story.

Again I'm sorry if my words hurt you but I meant them as a general observation about folk who are worried by all manner of things that are affecting them and their families right now and will continue to affect them into an uncertain future over many difficult months.


I want to give hope. *Watching the World News tonight made me feel ill. Even the music they use is very intense and dramatic. No wonder anxiety is getting so very high. That is a health crisis in and of itself from what I see at the hospital. We need some kind of hope! I wish they would stop being like that. I work in the scene, and we remain level headed!

I do understand your points. There needs to be hope but there also needs to be realism and some folk just ain't gettin' the message or applying simple common sense. As I'm sitting here typing this piece my wife and I have been discussing our own situation here in this country and how we're going to stay away from others.

We went hiking yesterday expecting to be out on open desert trails and away from people. Jeez how wrong we got that! Even though we expected it to be busy it was a shock just how many were hiking the same, narrow trails. Keep 6 feet apart? Don't get me going! Some appeared to be trying to stay away but how do you pass each other on a trail that's 4 to 5 feet wide at most? And we were close to probably a couple of hundred individuals on the trail as we passed close by one another. We've abandoned any thoughts of future trail hiking because so many others will be doing that too - we'd be as stupid as they. I am angry and feel stupid for even visiting the park.

And as I'm writing there's a bunch of old farts like me sitting close together on a tiny deck eating and drinking - some will have COPD, some will have hard heart attacks, will suffer with high BP etc. All of them in the age bracket with health conditions that put them in the high-risk category. Despite the 6' rule emphasised with as little association as possible these bird-brains are taking not a scrap of notice - oy vey! Hope is fine but right now there's little to feel positive about.

Mikey stands strong that spirit did not place that virus here. That is not how this dimension works.

That's how I'd already been guided. I had no doubt it wasn't spirit engineered.



(I'm guessing some think we are being punished for something, which is so off based or that it is the devil.)

I'm sure you're right and I've been hearing from my park neighbors that "The good lord will take me if it's my time."

Mikey uses the word reboot to give us a simple understanding that things here need to reset and regroup. Rebalancing is also a good term. I do think it is an eye opener.

For years if not decades an influenza pandemic like H1N1 after World War 1 has been feared by specialists in the field. I suppose it could be said to have been inevitable.... But how the global population of 7 billion will adapt to a world likely to be very different potentially facing problems of huge magnitude for years to come we can only guess at.
The term 'reboot' is often used to signify restarting a computer to fix glitches and poor running but what's happening now is the equivalent of a major (electronic) virus attack on the operating system resulting in it being progressively destroyed; unable even to restart successfully and eventually failing totally and needing a fresh install to get going again. That's a frightening possibility for this world and the number and the magnitude of the changes we're likely to see can scarcely be quantified at this time.


Knowing what I know makes this easier for me. I know even if I was to get sick and pass, it's truly not the end! What is truly real is Home. But this is one tough school right now!
Carol and Mikey "in Spirit"

Knowing what I do I'm not afraid of death either, Carol BUT the world I'll be living in - I won't die for some time - will be so different from anything known (apart from a few survivors of WWII) that I'm expecting major changes that will become apparent in the remainder of this year and beyond. I find the prospect of them very depressing.

I just pray I'm hopelessly wrong and being unduly pessimistic. :(
 
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kim

Significant Contributor
It's natural for humankind to worry about anything that appears to be a threat. We're hard-wired to do that after all
I couldn't agree with you more Mac. Why do you suppose so many humans are such worry-warts? I worry, but I know it is useless.
 

mac

Administrator
I couldn't agree with you more Mac. Why do you suppose so many humans are such worry-warts? I worry, but I know it is useless.

Folk have said to me on occasion "You worry too much." to which I reply "I worry by the right amount." ;)

Worry isn't necessarily useless because by thinking about 'stuff' - worrying - one may come up with a solution to a problem. Sit back and switch off and you're relying on what/whom for a solution? Something just happening, someone else providing the solution to your problem? Fine if that's your preference.

Of course if someone is worried by everything no matter how trivial, if they're paralysed by fear and uncertainty, then they may need professional support. But if it's just common-or-garden concern/worry about the everyday things in life that will eventually sort out in one way or another then I don't see worry as an issue.
 

mac

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I don’t watch news anymore either. They are terrible. Thank you for keeping your head leveled and doing your job at a location that is probably the center of the storm so to speak. I commend you and all of those health professionals who are putting their life’s at risk trying to help others. For them are the higher realms for sure.

It's your right, of course, to not watch or listen to the news - it might not matter whether you do or whether you don't but listening to or watching it might mean you could learn about something you could do to help - volunteering for example.

In the UK 405,000 citizens have responded to a request for volunteers to help. Without seeing or hearing the news somewhere how would they have known about the request for help? Maybe over here American citizens could do the same?
 

Tseeker

Occasional Contributor
It's your right, of course, to not watch or listen to the news - it might not matter whether you do or whether you don't but listening to or watching it might mean you could learn about something you could do to help - volunteering for example.

In the UK 405,000 citizens have responded to a request for volunteers to help. Without seeing or hearing the news somewhere how would they have known about the request for help? Maybe over here American citizens could do the same?
Mac. I appreciate your comment (specially since through this forum I’ve learn to respect your vast knowledge and argumentative talent with an extensive vocabulary perfectly used for each occasion) and commend the citizens of the UK for their massive number of volunteers. Not sure there is a need to compare that with what Americans do or don’t do here but I believe your intention is to invite Americans to follow the same path; which is perfectly fine. That’s not to say Americans don’t volunteer or that news outlets are the only way to learn about volunteering opportunities. I use myself as an example. I only check the CDC website to retrieve official/objective information and the company I work for to learn about volunteering opportunities and/or donations to those in the front lines. To your point yes news outlets can help learn about volunteering opportunities but is also true that there are other means as well. Thanks for all you do in this forum and for this forum. Please stay safe!
 

mac

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Mac. I appreciate your comment (specially since through this forum I’ve learn to respect your vast knowledge and argumentative talent with an extensive vocabulary perfectly used for each occasion) and commend the citizens of the UK for their massive number of volunteers. Not sure there is a need to compare that with what Americans do or don’t do here but I believe your intention is to invite Americans to follow the same path; which is perfectly fine. That’s not to say Americans don’t volunteer or that news outlets are the only way to learn about volunteering opportunities. I use myself as an example. I only check the CDC website to retrieve official/objective information and the company I work for to learn about volunteering opportunities and/or donations to those in the front lines. To your point yes news outlets can help learn about volunteering opportunities but is also true that there are other means as well. Thanks for all you do in this forum and for this forum. Please stay safe!

Thank you for your generous words.

I agree totally that there's no need to compare what American do or don't do and I didn't actually compare citizens of one country with citizens from the other. All I suggested - as you observed - was that Americans might want to do something similar.

Judging by what I hear and see the situation is deteriorating here in the USA somewhat rapidly and volunteers in health and social care might soon be very helpful. National news broadcasts might reach many individuals quicker than even via the web and the social media.

Not all individuals have or want web access but may be interested in knowing what's going on in their nation, however bad the news. Without TV and radio news broadcasts they'd be in the dark, perhaps also without vital health guidance.
 

mac

Administrator
It looks possible, perhaps very likely, that this Covid 19 situation has a long way to go and that things will get a lot worse before they get better.

In the UK we've been told we could face a year of restrictions of one sort or another. If that turns out to be correct then it's also likely that many, perhaps most, other countries and nations will also face long periods of unprecedented restrictions.

Our world looks set to change in ways we can foresee and in others we're unlikely to anticipate. My guess is that few of the early changes will be seen as positive or beneficial but in time some of them may turn out that way. But all that will happen in a future that for the moment looks very bleak and very uncertain indeed. Perhaps one certainty though will be that citizens of all countries will have to pay more in taxes to make the longer-term changes essential to deal with the next pandemic. Yes the next pandemic because this won't be the last!

Countries like my own will have to train more medical workers and provide better facilities and vastly more of them. Even before Covid 19 we've been on the bare bones of our arses in terms of medical provisions. Even in summer most services have been severely stretched and waiting times for treatment have become longer and longer. We're desperately short of nurses and doctors and it's been getting that way over years rather than months.

We need more hospitals and clinics but have neither the money to build them nor the space to site them - ours is a tiny, poky sliver of land, s0mething sharply contrasting with my winter home state where there is spare land in abundance. Yet we have to have more hospitals if our tiny country isn't going to look and feel like a third world one.

We can't find that money from the country's piggy-bank. We will have to borrow on the world market. That will have profound political costs but ALF is a no-politics website so that's as far as I will go along that particular path other than to say many other countries are likely to face similar problems of huge amounts of borrowing. Perhaps one positive point is that interest rates are at all-time lows! We should borrow all we can but invest it wisely in the future of all of our nations and countries. And we should ring-fence additional taxes so they get turned into long-term national benefits - that's not politics it's basic economics!

As I expected, Mikey confirmed that our friends unseen are well aware of the new situation and concerned for our world. But they didn't bring it about and I have no doubt at all they're not in charge and not changing anything. This is down to us to sort. I'm equally sure, though, that our friends unseen will inspire certain incarnates in directions that should help overall and in the long run it may be argued that this world will have experienced a spiritual shift forward, even if by only a minuscule amount. But I seriously doubt it will bring about the spiritual sea-change so often heralded, predicted, promised. My guess is that will remain pie-in-the-sky wishful thinking. ;)
 

Carol and Mikey

Golden Hearts
Hi Mac,
You did not upset me in any way. I was just clarifying things. :)
My opinion with the news is the fashion in which it is reported. (I did not watch the news much at all prior to this. Part of my resistance is the absolute hurt and anger I felt with the news after Mikey's accident. The inaccuracy of what happened was horrible. I lost so much trust with what is reported because of this.)
One of the toughest challenges with my work right now is how fearful patients are of getting it when they are sick with something else. They watch TV from their beds . The music used with the news in and of itself brings feelings of fear. There is a major issue here with what is going on obviously, but it is not good to fuel the fire of anxiety. Be matter of fact and realistic, but not intense and scary. And give hope. They need to understand the audience are of all walks of life. We will get through this. Changes will happen. But anxiety and depression is real . Don't cause another deadly issue by how things are reported.
Just my thoughts....
Carol
 

mac

Administrator
Hello Carol

Thanks for your understanding. I do understand the points you've made about news presentation. As a Brit visitor and a regular, long-term guest of this wonderful country for many years now I'm well aware of the sensational way that news is presented in the USA, be that the local news which some folk only ever watch I'm guessing right through to the so-called 'World News' on ABC. While I'm watching the TV news in AZ and the national news too I'm also listening in to the news I listen to routinely back home in the UK, the BBC's world and national news. And WHAT a difference in the way it's presented compared with that of the USA! :eek:

OK it's easy to be partisan and parochial but our newscasters - women and men alike - present it in the same, low-key way they present the news day-to-day. Mostly with little undue emotion and totally WITHOUT SENSATIONALISM. I love being in the USA. I love my many American friends. There's something very wrong with the way news broadcasts are presented here in the US and something far better is deserved by all American citizens. Over the decades something has likely changed from the way things were and if I'm right then going back to some of those old values would be one happy outcome from the present crisis. But that's for another day's discussions.....

This Coronavirus situation is desperate and dangerous and presenting it in any lesser way would be misleading and wrong, even if that's to try to reassure folk. Old or young we're adults who deserve to be told the truth. Children need some protection because they're emotionally immature and unable to process difficult, complex information.
 

Carol and Mikey

Golden Hearts
They need to be matter of fact and realistic, but not instilling the fear of God with their presentation.
On another note, I looked up the definition of "reboot" for myself. (I'm not a good computer person as you all know.) I kept hearing this word in my head when talking to Mikey.
Reboot: verb definition ; The new value will not be in force until you reboot the system.
Carol :)
 
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mac

Administrator
I'm not a computer geek but I try to keep knowledgeable enough to keep my six computers healthy and functioning properly. I don't need to know how they work - only what to do when they don't and enough not to be in that situation in the first place. ;)

Re-boot, more often called re-starting nowadays, usually happens when changes have been made. A reboot continues the changes begun while the current operating system parameters are in place and working so as to allow changes made to be completed. The the operating system will have been updated as intended. It should mean that the changes will improve the operating system.

If we apply that terminology to matters-spiritual it should mean something like a new order built on changes needed in the systems we live under, so they become spiritually more effective. To achieve that many small, and some very large, 'updates' to our world's operating system are likely to be needed. Changes will likely need to be incremental, many reboots being necessary along the way. I very much doubt - I'm being told - that a single step-change, or even several of them would work. Put bluntly, there won't be a sudden and major spiritual change in this world.
 

kim

Significant Contributor
It's natural for humankind to worry about anything that appears to be a threat. We're hard-wired to do that after all and those who remain close to the earth plane will naturally pick up our anxieties.
What does it mean for a person to be earth bound? Does the invisible essence of who we are remain well, but the visible feels a pull?
 

innerperson

Occasional Contributor
They need to be matter of fact and realistic, but not instilling the fear of God with their presentation.
On another note, I looked up the definition of "reboot" for myself. (I'm not a good computer person as you all know.) I kept hearing this word in my head when talking to Mikey.
Reboot: verb definition ; The new value will not be in force until you reboot the system.
Carol :)

Hi Carol,

From the sound of it, Mikey may be inferring that this can help us realign our focus. Even knowing about the afterlife it is easy to get sucked into day to day activities and to lose focus on why we are here. Bad things like this have a tendency to shock us out of those routines and help us realign our focus to what matters. Like helping each other out during a crisis or feeling gratitude for what we have.
 

Truth seeker

Active Member
As I expected, Mikey confirmed that our friends unseen are well aware of the new situation and concerned for our world. But they didn't bring it about and I have no doubt at all they're not in charge and not changing anything. This is down to us to sort. I'm equally sure, though, that our friends unseen will inspire certain incarnates in directions that should help overall and in the long run it may be argued that this world will have experienced a spiritual shift forward, even if by only a minuscule amount.

Sonia Rinaldi showed me a privated video of Konstantin Raudive ITC about the corona virus and it doesnt sound to good, it says it will be a hard time for earth and that life as we know it will change...that they are aware of the situation and try to help but that its our problem... at least that was Sonia interpretation, she seemed very concerned....

I was somewhat opimisitic before but this got me worried
 

mac

Administrator
What does it mean for a person to be earth bound? Does the invisible essence of who we are remain well, but the visible feels a pull?

You've quoted some of my words, kim, in connection with your question but I I hadn't written about so-called earthbounds. :confused:
 

mac

Administrator
Sonia Rinaldi showed me a privated video of Konstantin Raudive ITC about the corona virus and it doesnt sound to good, it says it will be a hard time for earth and that life as we know it will change...that they are aware of the situation and try to help but that its our problem... at least that was Sonia interpretation, she seemed very concerned....

I was somewhat opimisitic before but this got me worried

I don't believe our friends unseen have any more idea where we're going with Covid 19 than we incarnates have other than, perhaps, their having a better overall 'view' of the impact its having and the likely progression of this virus, courtesy of spirit scientists.

The reality may be that our own scientists can also see where we're heading and even I have my own somewhat-pessimistic outlook. I'm either aware within myself - or it's being impressed on me - that our many freedoms in life (those in the west so privileged) will be severely impacted and many millions will be impacted much more severely. What I'm 'seeing' is very gloomy and I don't talk to many about my pessimism as I often feel I'm a Jeremiah.
 

mac

Administrator
I am daily monitoring and checking new account registrations and I'm now wondering if there will be an upsurge/uptick in the numbers as Covid 19 brings about the very large numbers of deaths it looks set to do. :(
 

genewardsmith

Active Member
Hi Mac,
One of the toughest challenges with my work right now is how fearful patients are of getting it when they are sick with something else. They watch TV from their beds . The music used with the news in and of itself brings feelings of fear.
Carol

I'm in the hospital dealing with something else, namely Yersinia enterocolitica which progressed to the gall bladder and heart and kidney involvement. I don't listen to portentous TV music, preferring jellyfish, sea anemones and autumn leaves as viewing material. You could suggest this change, but it only works for me since I have a computer.
 

mac

Administrator
I'm in the hospital dealing with something else, namely Yersinia enterocolitica which progressed to the gall bladder and heart and kidney involvement. I don't listen to portentous TV music, preferring jellyfish, sea anemones and autumn leaves as viewing material. You could suggest this change, but it only works for me since I have a computer.
yowser! Sorry to learn you're so sick, Gene. Best wishes for your recovery - I had to look online what you're suffering from - yuk! :eek:
 

Truth seeker

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I have a lot of web page tabs open on my phone so I was closing some and then noticed that I had one open in the page 88 of the ¨ For Carol And Mikey Please - Part 2 (Ask your questions here.)¨ thread where I had posted this question:

hi everybody! I just watched a video of Sonia Rinaldi and Cyrus Kirkpatrick, and Cyrus said that a lot of mediums are receiving the message that something will happen with the sun that will affect us, and Sonia agreed ,she said that maybe a solar flare will render all the electronic useless , that this is necessary for a consciousness shift... and Cyrus asked that he doesnt know that if we need to start to store food and supplies, and then he changed the subject....


...Mikey answered that he wasnt aware about something wrong whit the sun........

Now Im wondering if they could have been reffering to the coronavirus all along....
 

mac

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I have a lot of web page tabs open on my phone so I was closing some and then noticed that I had one open in the page 88 of the ¨ For Carol And Mikey Please - Part 2 (Ask your questions here.)¨ thread where I had posted this question:

hi everybody! I just watched a video of Sonia Rinaldi and Cyrus Kirkpatrick, and Cyrus said that a lot of mediums are receiving the message that something will happen with the sun that will affect us, and Sonia agreed ,she said that maybe a solar flare will render all the electronic useless , that this is necessary for a consciousness shift... and Cyrus asked that he doesnt know that if we need to start to store food and supplies, and then he changed the subject....


...Mikey answered that he wasnt aware about something wrong whit the sun........

Now Im wondering if they could have been reffering to the coronavirus all along....

A pandemic forecast rather than an issue with our sun? That's no help at all and sounds like later making things fit the reality. :rolleyes:
 

mac

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Maybe you are right,Mac
I realise I'm likely in 'curmudgeon mode' but I've heard similar stuff before.

On a completely different tack but still relevant I think, when the BP Deepwater Horizon oil well blew in the Gulf of Mexico 2010 there were all kinds of 'predictions' about how the sea-bed would fracture and there would be pollution and damage on an unprecedented scale such that the whole world would be affected by it. At that time I probed those who were 'channeling' spirit sources (it was claimed) communicating this guff and challenged them to be definitive concerning their predictions.

It WAS a terrible pollution event with major environmental impact and with socio-financial fall out but the predicted catastrophe simply didn't occur. The eventual outcome did have major impacts but the details weren't predicted. It's only one of the events, along with general 'predictions', that leave me dismissive of those who make out they know what's coming.
 

genewardsmith

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yowser! Sorry to learn you're so sick, Gene. Best wishes for your recovery - I had to look online what you're suffering from - yuk! :eek:

I like to call it the Bubonic Bellyache to make it seem a little less yuck. It's good to keep in mind it's not its nasty cousin, the Black Death. :)
 

mac

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I like to call it the Bubonic Bellyache to make it seem a little less yuck. It's good to keep in mind it's not its nasty cousin, the Black Death. :)
I guess you're well relieved at that! :D I don't know how seriously you're affected but the symptoms I learned about sound pretty awful. :eek: What's the prognosis?
 

Carol and Mikey

Golden Hearts
Hi Carol,

From the sound of it, Mikey may be inferring that this can help us realign our focus. Even knowing about the afterlife it is easy to get sucked into day to day activities and to lose focus on why we are here. Bad things like this have a tendency to shock us out of those routines and help us realign our focus to what matters. Like helping each other out during a crisis or feeling gratitude for what we have.
Hi Innerperson,
You are correct. That is what is being inferred. Again, though, Mikey does say that spirit did not literally cause this virus. Over the many decades of years here, natural disasters can bring out the best in people. Natural disasters are energy events from Mikey's viewpoint. Folks are helping total strangers all over in these type of crisis. What is going on now is worldly. Major adjustments and openness can occur. We are literally all in this together. (I just wish they could find a medicine soon!)
We need to work together and put our human differences aside.
Carol and Mikey "in Spirit"
 

Carol and Mikey

Golden Hearts
I'm in the hospital dealing with something else, namely Yersinia enterocolitica which progressed to the gall bladder and heart and kidney involvement. I don't listen to portentous TV music, preferring jellyfish, sea anemones and autumn leaves as viewing material. You could suggest this change, but it only works for me since I have a computer.
I hope you get better soon! I do try to redirect the TV issue when I go see my patients. The more elderly are not as good with technology (They are like me I guess!) So they resort to the TV. However, more are watching the Hallmark channel that is offered as staff in general are trying to get them focused on other things. I turn the TV off when I work with them as I need patients to focus on the activity at hand. :)
Carol
 

Carol and Mikey

Golden Hearts
I have a lot of web page tabs open on my phone so I was closing some and then noticed that I had one open in the page 88 of the ¨ For Carol And Mikey Please - Part 2 (Ask your questions here.)¨ thread where I had posted this question:

hi everybody! I just watched a video of Sonia Rinaldi and Cyrus Kirkpatrick, and Cyrus said that a lot of mediums are receiving the message that something will happen with the sun that will affect us, and Sonia agreed ,she said that maybe a solar flare will render all the electronic useless , that this is necessary for a consciousness shift... and Cyrus asked that he doesnt know that if we need to start to store food and supplies, and then he changed the subject....


...Mikey answered that he wasnt aware about something wrong whit the sun........

Now Im wondering if they could have been reffering to the coronavirus all along....
Hi Truthseeker,
Mikey tells me he was not aware, from his viewpoint, that this virus was going to hit us on earth. Could it cause a consciousness shift? Very possible according to Mikey, but it was not a preplanned event by spirit.
Carol and Mikey "in Spirit"
 

mac

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I'm heartened to hear Mikey firmly declare that our friends in spirit have had no involvement in the emergence of this particular Coronavirus. It would sound preposterous to me for an incarnate to suggest anything different unless they can support such a suggestion with sound evidence.

I don't doubt that psychics and sensitives are declaring they're learning all sorts of stuff from their contacts. One major problem is that we have no way of knowing how knowledgeable their contacts are and neither do they. There's an adage that we should "test the spirit" but most of us won't be able to do that directly for ourselves.

I think that the so-called conscious shift often mentioned is more wishful-thinking than something imminent. It might NEED a major global event to kick-start such a shift but talk of a solar flare being the cause is conjecture, no matter how likely a solar flare happening actually is. Not so very long ago scientists were deeply concerned that the so-called Millennium Bug would bugger up much electronic equipment and lead to catastrophe in various time-critical fields. Nobody could actually know the details and we had to wait to find out what happened when the year 2000 arrived. I fancy it will likely be a similar situation if-and-when a major solar flare sends its radiation our way.

It's easy to take a stab at what MIGHT happen based on current scientific knowledge but science can't tell us the future and there is no single future to be predicted by anyone. The future is not something invariable.
 

mac

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I guess I'm out of ICU tomorrow, and then one day at a time while avoiding the COVID-19 units.
Symptoms gone or diminished? General health restored albeit needing to convalesce? Are you now in high-risk category as a consequence of your previous condition?
 
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mac

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Travelling home recently it was a shock to see the impact - I've been doing for a couple of weeks exactly what Arizona Governor, Doug Ducey, has been urging - I've been staying at home. And because I'm an old fart in a high-risk category I particularly need to avoid exposure or contact. So I hadn't seen earlier much of the impact that restrictions have been having.

Driving on I-10 was a comparative joy because there was so little traffic. Sky Harbor, Phoenix, appeared to have closed, luggage guys waiting forlornly for passengers. We were the only ones being dropped off and had only a few yards to walk with our bags, straight up to our choice of check-in staff, several waiting for someone to serve. Two other passengers walked up behind us, casual and relaxed without the customary, long line of fraught travelers; shops were closed. It was almost pleasurable but at the same time disturbing because airports shouldn't be that way. In the waiting area we were with perhaps a dozen other passengers, the flight perhaps a fifth full. Dallas Fort Worth airport was even more empty, its vast concourses almost devoid of people, the Skylink empty save for us. Our transatlantic flight was perhaps a third full and on arrival London Heathrow was much the same as DFW with just a handful of travelers and no queues. That's just my limited experience and things must be as bad everywhere else to say nothing of the desperate situation in hospitals.

Where is our world going, what of the lives we knew? And how long will it take before we see the total outcome of this Corona virus?
 

mac

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It appears no-one has anything to say so I'm going to log my personal thoughts for now, almost as a journal. Now back in the UK I have a more-complete picture of the way it's affecting my homeland but an incomplete one of the USA. These thoughts will be incomplete because I missed recording them earlier in the year as the virus outbreak began to hit the world but maybe I'll feel motivated to keep them up to date now I've made a start here.

I've become used to having a foot in each camp so I'm going to try to find a reliable source of information about our other home somewhere out there in cyber land. That way I hope I can keep in touch with what my American friends are facing. I suspect this spring and summer are going to remain tough for all of us.

I didn't mention earlier that a couple of days before we were due to fly out my wife complained that her back was tender and stiff. We thought a cool breeze might have chilled her when she'd been sitting out in the AZ sunshine which was hot and strong. She mentioned also it was an odd feeling because the discomfort was traveling round here side into the low part of her chest. She took OTC analgesics and hoped it would clear before we left. It didn't, though, and we noticed some small, pink spots beginning to form. She wondered if she had shingles - again. The last time was in 2006 in Bakersfield, CA, and she was really sick for several weeks.

When we eventually reached home she rang her doctor's surgery which we expected would have special arrangements because of the Covid 19 situation. She explained to the receptionist why she was calling and a GP called her back to discuss things. Because of her symptoms and her previous experience of shingles the doctor agreed with her diagnosis and also agreed she needed Acyclovir, and anti-viral drug. She is about to start day 4 of the 7 day regimen but is still in considerable pain, analgesics having only limited effect.

Because she's a tough cookie she went grocery shopping - face mask and gloves - the day after we got home. As an old fart I'm supposed to stay away from others because I'm in the higher-risk category so we now have food on the table. Previously our home was all but devoid of anything other than canned food after 5 months away. Yesterday I made a major assault on my overgrown garden and that of my neighbor who is hardly able to walk anyway and also isolated because she's at even higher risk due to chronic health issues. So at this point we're managing and hoping we'll be able to continue. There's only the two of us to look after one another and one of us sick means the other has to shoulder the load.

It's ironic that in the UK for once we have beautiful, sunny, warm weather which looks set to continue into the Easter holiday, an extended weekend holiday when sun-starved Brits. would usually head out en masset for the first time after gloomy winter. But with the lock-down they're having to stay in and away from one another, all organised events cancelled, public park attendance discouraged. Kids haven't been to school for weeks already and won't return this academic year, much the same as in the USA.

We'll be looking back at this time in the years ahead and I wonder where we'll be by then....
 

Truth seeker

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Im glad Mac that you could make it home... Lately im getting lots of conspiracy videos, I had never payed them much attention before, but now the coincidences are too amazing that is frightening, especially on older videos that were posted years ago on YouTube...they are too specific ...

and now the world health organization said that even if you get the coronavirus and get cured you can get sick again.... Im starting to worry..

but a vacccine its on the way but it will take some time..... But people are saying ( as always) that it will loaded with bad stuff... But the difference this time is this older videos speak about that with great details also.... It make your brain race... Too much coincidences..

The conspiracists are saying Trump is actively Wrestling against the new world order plans, him and Putin...hes ruining their plans.....and seeing the things hes doing lately in the news it it seems they are right..

This remind me when everybody spoke against Trump and Roberta said he was a good president and the spiritual world knew what they were doing.....maybe she was right all along...

I know Conspiration stuff is attractive...but it will be very interesting to ask Mikey if this virus was made by men, or if escaped from a lab like Trump is saying, or it was all natural....because Mikey only has said that it wasnt planned by the spiritual world...

And ask him too if the vaccine will be bad or will be a regular one....

And about the 5g networks that if there are bad intentions behind them..

It will be interesting to hear this opinions, but sometimes I wonder if there are things that spirits are forbidden to share....that is also a interesting question
 

mac

Administrator
It was a relief to get back to the UK after all the uncertainty about flights and airports remaining open - thanks for your thoughts. :)

I wish I could out your mind at rest because it's clear you're worrying about all manner of things. Whatever details you're hearing and seeing out there in cyber space about predictions, politicians and conspiracy theories the chances are they won't all be correct - some will, some won't.

I've mentioned this before and I'll mention it again now as an example of the hyperbole that was out there online in 2010, much of which turned out to be wrong. When Deepwater Horizon blew out in the Gulf of Mexico it was a disaster with 11 killed, 17 injured along with massive pollution of the environment hitting the local economy and those affected by both.

I was then writing regularly on another spiritual website. We had an active membership with discussion subjects ranging widely as they once did here on ALF. The oil spill triggered, though, some members to indulge in crazy predictions about what was going to happen, how it would impact the world and its future. At the time of the predictions some were said to have come from communicators in the etheric dimensions. I challenged the ones making the predictions to explain their confidence and suggested we re-convened in 12 months time to see how much was accurate. (I've done similar over the years concerning other predictions - wild guesses!) One particularly lurid prediction was about the seabed being ruptured with massive environmental impact and uncontrollable pollution.

Before the 12 months was up a once-regular and valued contributor - who'd been the source of the most lurid predictions - had left us. On the anniversary of the blow out the actual situation was nothing like any of the predictions and by then other things had caught folk's attention.

My point? In 12 months time the stuff you're reading/watching/hearing about now you'll look back at in an altogether different way. Some things might be worse, others may be better, but unless I'm hopelessly wrong many issues will be different from how they appear now and how they appear based on YouTube videos etc.

I predict you'll be left wondering why you were worried by certain issues and why you didn't see others coming. Some problems will have been resolved and some likely won't or not totally. We may have a vaccine by then and things will look very different if that's the case. Or something else may happen to change the outlook.

Come back next April or May and let's review what we are thinking about, writing about, right now. ;):)
 

Truth seeker

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Dear mac, thats its my hope that like many conspiracy stuff it will be nothing at the end, but as I said many older stuff saying stuff like this will happen with names,places and dates.. and then it happens, it makes you wonder....

one of the videos said a nice thing at the end. it said that all the plans of the bad people can be avoided if we all collectively use our mind, that this is a mind based world, we are divine beings with so much power and we are not aware of, and we must raise the vibration rate of the planet by spreading spirituality , that we are here incarnated for a purpose and as the bads are being influenced by bad non humans entities, we are also are being influenced but by good ones....this words remind me a lot of Roberta´s that has said similar stuff more than once...it was a video that gave you hope, not like the classic`s ones that everything is bad and you cant do nothing
 

mac

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Dear mac, thats its my hope that like many conspiracy stuff it will be nothing at the end, but as I said many older stuff saying stuff like this will happen with names,places and dates.. and then it happens, it makes you wonder....

one of the videos said a nice thing at the end. it said that all the plans of the bad people can be avoided if we all collectively use our mind, that this is a mind based world, we are divine beings with so much power and we are not aware of, and we must raise the vibration rate of the planet by spreading spirituality , that we are here incarnated for a purpose and as the bads are being influenced by bad non humans entities, we are also are being influenced but by good ones....this words remind me a lot of Roberta´s that has said similar stuff more than once...it was a video that gave you hope, not like the classic`s ones that everything is bad and you cant do nothing

I'm all for positivity but also realism.... Some messages are unrealistic albeit well-intentioned.

This world isn't going to become a heaven-on-earth or anything approaching it in any foreseeable time-frame although progress can and will continue towards it. For the world's peoples to think and work collectively would need a sea-change in overall levels of spiritual awareness. Ain't gonna happen in my lifetime and I doubt in yours but progress will continue to be made. :)
 

Zac

Occasional Contributor
I wanted to mention the meds - names removed by admin. - I had gotten these in 2017 for flu, but had no need for them until late January 2020 when I developed rapid onset flu like symptoms 2 days after attending a group event. I tried the .... combo (500 mg each BID) and was surprised that my symptoms mostly resolved within 12 hours and completely with 3 days. Shortest flu that I could remember. I didn't think much about it at the time, but now suspect I had covid. 2 friends also developed rapid onset flu like symptoms in late March though their symptoms were more severe than mine. They also used the ..... with good results. The more severe case of the 2 progressed from mild flu like symptoms to high fever and severe symptoms within 12 hours. He doubled the dosage (QID instead of BID) and was dramatically improved the next morning and symptoms resolved completely within 3-4 days. His comment was the same as mine. Shortest flu in memory.

In regards to the local situation, I live in Placer county in northern California where we've had a shelter in place directive here since March 19th which also directed "non-essential" businesses to close. Aside from greatly reduced vehicle traffic and closed stores and other businesses, my day to day life isn't dramatically changed. I still go for my daily walks and bike rides. The only significant changes are I don't attend group events and visit stores less frequently. Don't have a good feel for where this situation is heading, but continuously rising case count (4%/day currently) does not bode well. Despite this, I'm not very worried about being infected by the virus itself. My guess is it will eventually burn itself out and circulate like seasonal flu though with a much higher rate of serious complications. But, that could take years and the antibody response is peculiar enough that I'm uncertain whether a safe effective vaccine is possible or if even those previously infected are immune.
 

mac

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ALF is an afterlife-discussion based website. Self-medicating using RX drugs or indeed using any drugs is not in its remit and conversations about such subjects will be removed from its forums.
 

mac

Administrator
I'm intrigued that although many new members have appeared in recent weeks few have anything to ask or say about this subject.

Huge numbers of people are dying daily throughout the world with the prospect of many thousands more dying in the next months. There appears to be no certain prospect of either effective treatment or a vaccination in any foreseeable future.

Are folk overwhelmed by what's happening or unconcerned?
 

Zac

Occasional Contributor
Huge numbers of people are dying daily throughout the world with the prospect of many thousands more dying in the next months. There appears to be no certain prospect of either effective treatment or a vaccination in any foreseeable future.

This is not true.
 

mac

Administrator

Any potential vaccine will have to be tested and assessed in some way. Azithromycin may prove effective but it hasn't been properly tested.

That newspaper article reported:
"Azithromycin has produced positive outcomes in some cases of Covid-19, particularly where there has been pneumonia and respiratory failure. In other cases results have been inconclusive, according to a HSE bulletin on its use, dated April 2nd.

Prepared by the Covid-19 rapid evidence review group, the bulletin reports on two studies on the use of azithromycin with hydrochloraquin.

It states: “There are inconsistencies in the study findings, with one study in 80 patients reporting broadly positive outcomes from the combination therapy, including negative viral load in 83 per cent of the cohort on day seven, while another study in 11 patients concluded there is no evidence of rapid anti-viral clearance or clinical benefit.”

The Irish College of General Practitioners was not concerned at the ban on azithromycin for Covid-19 patients outside hospital. There is currently no evidence to support using any antibiotic to treat viral Covid-19 in patients in the community who are otherwise healthy...We do not need access to azithromycin for treatment of viral Covid-19 in the community.”


In my view at this point the efficacy of any treatment is uncertain and will need careful observation. Techniques will likely need refinement I feel.

As I wrote earlier, there appears to be no certain prospect of an effective treatment or a vaccine emerging in any foreseeable future - at the moment we can only hope.

Based on previous experience experts suggest it may need 12 to 18 months to develop and mass produce vaccine if all goes well but maybe things will happen more quickly. Who knows?

As I wrote on Roberta's blog recently, I hope for the best but try to be prepared for something less.....
 

mac

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As the days pass governments and other legislative bodies discuss, debate, consult, argue and agonize how best to deal with this pandemic. None of them can be sure that what they decide will be the least-bad alternative. Every plan will be wrong for some, right for some, potentially OKish for the rest. We could all probably think of worse case / best case outcomes and the likelihood is that the eventual outcome will be somewhere in-between those extremes.

The more I follow the science the more I'm sure of one thing. Our world won't ever go back to where it was BC - in a very great number of ways rather than just a few. Some will be glad about that but they will also expect an improved, perhaps more spiritual world, that will emerge to replace the old one - hmmmm, I fear they'll be disappointed.

Something that looks highly likely is that Covid 19 will remain a threat to public health indefinitely. With any luck effective treatments for those most badly affected will emerge but a vaccine may not be developed or not developed in time and/or the virus may mutate - as viruses often do. Just as with influenza, some individuals will be made very sick by Covid 19 and some will die. Others won't but just as with other viruses there's no certainty survivors will have immunity afterwards.

At this point it appears avoiding becoming infected will be the least risky path for all of us. The logistics for that have yet to be developed but keeping one's distance - the optimum still to be worked out - looks likely to remain the front line approach. That and us all wearing face masks when we're near others. The masks each of us wears will help avoid infecting everyone we are near; the ones they wear will help them avoid infecting us.

In time we'll figure out how careful we individually need to be with those we encounter but for now 'an abundance of caution' is the right path - as I see things.
 

Ruby

Significant Contributor
It's surprising how quickly seas and skies have become cleaner and nature has returned. Animals are quick to take advantage but I didn't expect to see deer in the streets. I find it unsettling somehow. I wonder how we'll all feel about getting back to our old polluting ways?
 

mac

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It's surprising how quickly seas and skies have become cleaner and nature has returned.

What you may be noticing is superficial albeit better than nothing. There's a huge mass of pollution already in both systems and that won't clear for a very long time. One short-lived benefit is that streets and roads will be less polluted by traffic. I say "short-lived" because traffic levels will soon begin - have already begun in the UK - to increase. Maybe to levels a little less than BC but inexorably back towards where we used to be once folk return to work and to less abnormal patterns of life. The natural world of plants and animals will benefit for a while because we're doing less to impact it - for now.


Animals are quick to take advantage but I didn't expect to see deer in the streets. I find it unsettling somehow. I wonder how we'll all feel about getting back to our old polluting ways?

Deer will wander anywhere they're able to but when less-abnormal levels of traffic resume I expect fewer will be seen. I don't see deer as I live in a town but out in the boonies we see 'em on occasion and anywhere they're being farmed, like at Chatsworth - follow the link, take a look at the video, come and visit. Park & estate

I'd like to see us not returning to all of our polluting ways but that's an issue that will have to take second place to the immediate impacts of this pandemic. And dealing with those alone will result in us paying higher taxes. Reducing pollution levels will lead to higher taxation too. :(

C'est la vie, c'est la guerre.....
 

mac

Administrator
It looks like the next couple of weeks will be testing times as restrictions are eased or lifted. Countries are using very different approaches, some very conservative others much more liberal. Statistics and modeling have become everyday news, at least in the UK and daily on TV our leaders explain their latest discussions and consultations and take questions from journalists and news reporters - every weekday and on Sunday approaching our PM will outline some easing of the lock-down in the UK. Then teams of specialists will closely monitor new infections and deaths and along with an app (presently under evaluation) and hundreds of individuals to trace-and-track contacts of anyone reporting symptoms the UK will try to limit the spread of the virus.

We're expecting sound science will be leading our way out of the general lock down so that business, industry and education can all begin the long process of getting properly going again. And in all of this there is no perceptible spiritual consideration to any part of anything. I'm just sayin'.....
 

Kurt

Major Contributor
It's natural for humankind to worry about anything that appears to be a threat. We're hard-wired to do that after all and those who remain close to the earth plane will naturally pick up our anxieties. Telling us not to worry is pointless because worrying isn't a choice we make - events cause us to worry. We don't choose to worry and may be emotionally unable to stop. It's as pointless as telling someone who isn't a worrier to become one, to start worrying.




That's good to hear when so many are experiencing major difficulties.





Speaking only for myself I've never been concerned about this world coming to an end but I hope Mikey's words may reassure those who are. But this virus appears to be a significant threat to the lives we've led up to this point and the world we've grown to know. How the world's populations reacts remains to be seen. It would be great to know we're all gonna work together, that national governments are gonna co-operate with others and with NGOs, that rivalries of all kinds will be set aside, that big businesses will abandon their bottom line and turn to producing what is immediately needed in vast, and expensive, quantities. And that all will work together to deal with this virus. Even as I'm writing it sounds like pie-in-the-sky and a huge sea-change would be needed for even some of those aspects to come to fruition!



Thanks for that reassurance because elsewhere I've read suggestions/intimations it might have been. That sounded nonsense to me and Mikey's words seem to confirm it.



I see it as a re-balancing in a world whose values need re-balancing. Not cleansing this virus but quarantining it followed by a 'reboot' of the operating system. Quite whether that will happen on account of Covid 19 remains to be seen and 'short-termism' may continue - get through the immediate crisis, get things settled down and then 'back-to-business'. Unless I'm mistaken one prominent individual is already advocating that in a matter of weeks albeit not in so many words.





Putting it that way makes it sound like the stuff 'hippy new-agers' spout on about. Such words mean little to average Joe's and Josephine's battling their way through incarnate life. What the next generations would more likely respond to is a call for us to stop trashing this world and to adopt more socialist values - that would include nations funding research and paying for what's needed. And that means the average gal and guy paying more tax because money doesn't grow on trees.

Beyond those last points I won't go because we don't do political (or religious) discussions on ALF. ;) Try Twitter if you're so minded.





Yes it could but we'll have to wait to see if - and by how much in the longer term - it actually will.




One of the biggest recent pandemics was the so-called Spanish Flu. The CDC indicates about 500 million were infected worldwide and 50 million died. The present situation is different for the moment but that could change rapidly. Yes we should be better placed to respond to Covid 19 but there's no guarantee we'll do better.



It remains to be seen whether humankind is more prepared and better able to respond to this threat.



As with all apparently-negative events there will also be positive outcomes, both of them resulting in spiritual growth. We who are privileged to understand that situation are in a better position to respond differently from those who don't. Whether there's enough of us to significantly alter the shape of the future is moot; mac isn't optimistic but would be delighted to be wrong.



As so often it's a yes and/or maybe situation - death because of the virus may be a potential exit point but it may not. My layman view is that for the majority it won't be because Mikey has indicated there was no spirit orchestration of the current situation.


ps As previously I'll shortly be moving my responses out of this C&M Q&A thread so that it's mostly just Mikey's words that will be seen here.

It's quite hard to predict the future indeed however I also have personally come to regard it as a earthly cleansing of sorts. The implications of this virus on contemporary history could be extremely drastic... It honestly could lead to a repeat of the first half of the 20th century in a absolute worst case scenario.
 

Kurt

Major Contributor
It's surprising how quickly seas and skies have become cleaner and nature has returned. Animals are quick to take advantage but I didn't expect to see deer in the streets. I find it unsettling somehow. I wonder how we'll all feel about getting back to our old polluting ways?
The rivers in my area are beginning to look crystal clear.
 

mac

Administrator
Two weeks on, my birthday just passed and about 9 weeks into lock-down since I made my last comment and much has changed.

In the US there are nearly 40 million out of work and states are winding in markedly the restrictions imposed earlier - or at least some states are. Similar is happening in Europe and the east to varying degrees and all are hoping there won't be a break-out of the virus along with the need to re-impose restrictions. In the next few weeks we'll see the outcomes.

Elsewhere work is flat out trying to create a vaccine and/or effective treatment of those who get infected and have severe symptoms. Crackpot ideas have been put forward and dismissed as unproven and potentially dangerous. In the main scientific advice is being heeded, death-rates are falling in medical institutions but in care homes things are far from rosy. Already politicians are attacking other politicians and organisations for perceived failures and lack of awareness etc. - plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose....

Unity of purpose is there at local level but it's beginning to fragment on a national scale. There have been some positive outcomes - eg less pollution - but many negative aspects and more in prospect. Travel is still severely impacted with social distancing issues restricting vehicle capacity ie trains, planes, buses, trams In the UK hospitality businesses are mostly closed, the few operating are providing 'to-go' or delivery service.

Folk can travel but must return to their registered home address the same day. There are no hotels, restaurants, pubs, bars or cafes open. Many shops and stores remain closed, online shopping is the way folk are buying. Delivery services are busy. Attractions are closed, some open spaces and parks are open.

Resorts are discouraging visitors to avoid the risk of their becoming a local virus hotspot with limited local services becoming overwhelmed after a major influx of visitors. Resort car parks and toilets are closed and this public holiday weekend police will be mobilising patrols to turn away vehicles on routes to the coast. The message "We'd love you to visit but not yet." is one increasingly being put out by tourist boards.

I don't know what's happening now I'm no longer in the USA because no-one is reporting here about their local situation.
 

ravensgate

Significant Contributor
I can only speak for NE Texas and the Little Rock regions. Cases are continuing to rise in NE Tx. Over 60 new cases in Titus county. Dallas county had an average of 200 new confirmed cases per week (over the last few weeks).
Although there is much we do not know about this particular virus, I am baffled at the widespread willful ignorance and arrogance of many people in this area. It seems many of these people equated the loosening restrictions to a (magic) disappearance of the virus! Just this morning I noticed the good ol' Walmart and Sam's Club parking lots filled with cars, people going in and out of those stores as if every piece of merchandise and food could be had for zero dollars; nearly every person I saw wore no face mask. I continue to wear mine and will continue to do so for a quite a while longer.
One day the COVID 19 dust will settle; we will then perhaps understand how little we really need and how much we actually have. I hope that realization (if it happens) will bring humanity closer, but I'm not holding my breath!
 

mac

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I fear there will be new outbreaks but there's so much antipathy toward social distancing that it may prove impossible to get folk doing what they did - reluctantly - the first time.

Face masks are as yet unproven for the general public's widespread use. I wear one because it helps protect others but here in the UK few others wear them. In fairness they've been in short supply and our government has been desperate to encourage folk not to buy masks and effectively be in competition with our medical and care services who are only just finding enough for themselves.

In time I'm expecting/hoping that we'll all be encouraged to wear medical grade masks so when someone doesn't wear a mask the ones who do will have a measure of protection against any bugs they breathe out unhindered. I foresee that as essential to get public transport working again properly (lots of public transport in the UK) and also in getting air travel underway again. Maybe eventually no mask will mean no travel until some unforeseeable point when there's a minimal risk from this deadly virus.
 

bluebird

Major Contributor
We all should be wearing facemasks -- the problem is that there aren't enough of them, especially of the medical grade masks.

Unless an effective vaccine is created, I honestly don't think the world will ever come back from this.
 

bluebird

Major Contributor
How are you?
Stay safe! Here in sweden we dont use mask.
You should be; Sweden has a higher rate of infection than the other Scandi/Nordic countries, due to not wearing masks. (Not that the U.S. is doing well, as the world knows -- too many idiots in our country who refuse to believe in science and facts.)
 

mac

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You should be; Sweden has a higher rate of infection than the other Scandi/Nordic countries, due to not wearing masks. (Not that the U.S. is doing well, as the world knows -- too many idiots in our country who refuse to believe in science and facts.)

I'm not confident infection levels are down solely to not wearing face coverings, bb.

I don't study the situation there but have seen reports on BBC TV about how Sweden has approached the situation. If I remember correctly there's been less emphasis on not mixing socially, less emphasis on maintaining adequate distance etc. Not wearing face coverings can't improve things but may not make them significantly worse in close-contacts situations.

Increasingly the message in the UK is that prolonged close association with someone infected is the main risk. I've often heard 15 minutes at a yard/metre as a rule-of-thumb. Whether wearing a face covering would decrease the risk in such circumstances I don't know.

edit: I found the following in my Inbox after writing the above:

"We have started to see a decline in COVID-19 cases in many states and I firmly believe this can be attributed to good behaviors such as masking to help reduce the spread.

For this reason, I'm writing today to inform you that Banner Health is strongly opposed to any decision or consideration to relax existing mask mandates. Evidence has shown us masking mandates have worked to slow the spread of COVID-19.

Although the number of cases have decreased, we must not let up and should continue following recommendations such as masking, social distancing and other protective measures to ensure we don't reverse gains in slowing the spread.

Not only is COVID-19 still prevalent in our community, but flu season is upon us, which means continuing to mask and getting vaccinated is more important than ever to keep you, your loved ones and our communities safe.

Our work is not done, so I encourage you to be a hero by continuing to model these good behaviors until we get through this pandemic:

  • Stay home if you are ill, except to receive medical care
  • Wear a mask when you're in public near others
  • Stay six feet away from others
  • Wash your hands frequently
  • Wipe down surfaces that may be infected
  • Avoid gatherings of 10 or more people"
 

bluebird

Major Contributor
I agree that it's not solely down to mask-wearing; distancing also definitely has a helpful effect. However, there is zero reason not to wear a mask when one is out in public, as it definitely does play a large part in preventing transmission of the Covid-19 virus.

Sweden was trying for a "herd immunity" situation, which was a bad idea and has led to more deaths than would otherwise have occurred.
 

mac

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There's gradual change in the UK towards face coverings. They're now expected to be worn routinely in certain situations when only a little earlier they had been recommended and optional. As you know I favor everyone using them when they're in others' company.

The current problem in the UK is a rapidly-increasing number of infections with large numbers of them appearing in younger adults - 20s to 50s - but also beginning to be seen in those most at risk - old farts like me. Nursing homes are again causing worry and something new is the high number of infections of university entrants.

Both those situations have been forecast on numerous occasions through the summer and now practical ways of resolving these problems have to be found. Severe illness is very unusual in children and young adults but they are huge pools of potential infection for us oldies. :(

Our test, track and trace system is performing weakly with far too few tests being carried out with long waits for results, the virus still potentially being spread while waiting. Tracking and tracing is also poor with only a fifth of those needing to self isolate actually doing it. The number of local and city-wide restrictions are increasing and our capital city of London may be the next.

Our situation is quickly becoming serious. :( I fear this fall and winter may be every bit as bad as last spring turned out to be. And you can add to that the approaching end of the UK's transition period after leaving the European Union. I fear for my country in so many ways.
 

mac

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Lest anyone thinks I'm forever bitching - assuming anyone other than a handful of members are following this thread - then may I make it plain that I'm NOT bitching about anything or anyone. I do, however, think the leaders of both the UK and the USA deserving of specific criticisms over certain of their words but essentially I'm recording my concerns about the present and particularly the future.
 

mac

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Sweden was trying for a "herd immunity" situation, which was a bad idea and has led to more deaths than would otherwise have occurred.

In the early weeks of the lock-down a similar idea about so-called herd immunity was heard from some of our UK's scientists until it became obvious that approach was a non-flyer and highly dangerous.

Governments have their own scientific advisers and their own ideas about how to proceed; it is highly unlikely a single approach will prove right for every country or nation. Various policies will be, and already have been, adopted and it's totally inevitable that they won't all be right.

Mistakes will be made because humans are fallible but worse than that mistakes will be made because some leaders are flawed and pig-headed - despite most of them being well-informed. We can only hope they're not allowed to have their own way all the time.
 

bluebird

Major Contributor
In the early weeks of the lock-down a similar idea about so-called herd immunity was heard from some of our UK's scientists until it became obvious that approach was a non-flyer and highly dangerous.

Governments have their own scientific advisers and their own ideas about how to proceed; it is highly unlikely a single approach will prove right for every country or nation. Various policies will be, and already have been, adopted and it's totally inevitable that they won't all be right.

Mistakes will be made because humans are fallible but worse than that mistakes will be made because some leaders are flawed and pig-headed - despite most of them being well-informed. We can only hope they're not allowed to have their own way all the time.
Agreed.
 

Arsiie

Occasional Contributor
And your infection rates are higher than in neighbouring Norway, I believe. In the UK our experts are following what happens in your country.
Hahaha I just say this words: dont visit sweden, because here they have zero rules when it comes too lockdown. Everything is almost open and you are not force too use mask:(.
 

mac

Administrator
Folk in the UK can't take trips right now because we're having a mini-lockdown in the UK. Some thought the Swedish model for dealing with Covid-19 was a good one but it doesn't appear to be as good as it appeared to be earlier. The UK isn't doing well either - we have nothing to feel smug about.
 

Arsiie

Occasional Contributor
Folk in the UK can't take trips right now because we're having a mini-lockdown in the UK. Some thought the Swedish model for dealing with Covid-19 was a good one but it doesn't appear to be as good as it appeared to be earlier. The UK isn't doing well either - we have nothing to feel smug about.
I saw on the news, they say nearly 60 thousand have died. Actually a whole lockdown dosent help either. The problem with sweden is we have too much freedom. We dont have any kind of rules if a pandemic appear, thats why the goverment cant lockdown. Its against the democratsy system. But right now many are afraid and staying home. Before you could met people only a group with 50 but today they change too 8, even they forbid alkohol after 22. Its a good start but i hope they at least can say wear mask.
 

mac

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I saw on the news, they say nearly 60 thousand have died. Actually a whole lockdown dosent help either. The problem with sweden is we have too much freedom. We dont have any kind of rules if a pandemic appear, thats why the goverment cant lockdown. Its against the democratsy system. But right now many are afraid and staying home. Before you could met people only a group with 50 but today they change too 8, even they forbid alkohol after 22. Its a good start but i hope they at least can say wear mask.

Your rules / laws are now similar to those in the UK. Here there is much reluctance - from some age groups - to follow the rules and laws. Bars and pubs have had to close to prevent folk getting together without heeding social distancing. Non-essential shopping in stores/shops has been suspended until December. God knows what will happen at Christmas when folk are likely to disregard rules en masse.

There is also misinformation spreading rapidly and those who use the social media as their source of news can be misled by material known to be false at the time it's being posted. A certain presidential leader has enhanced a new career from putting out false material and encouraging division.
 

Arsiie

Occasional Contributor
Your rules / laws are now similar to those in the UK. Here there is much reluctance - from some age groups - to follow the rules and laws. Bars and pubs have had to close to prevent folk getting together without heeding social distancing. Non-essential shopping in stores/shops has been suspended until December. God knows what will happen at Christmas when folk are likely to disregard rules en masse.

There is also misinformation spreading rapidly and those who use the social media as their source of news can be misled by material known to be false at the time it's being posted. A certain presidential leader has enhanced a new career from putting out false material and encouraging division.
Indeed, but i feel like i dont want celebrate christmas at all because for those who lost their lives. I will instead ligt a candle and pray for them. At least i always celebrate Christmas with my little family so it will happen but i feel alot of sadness. :/ i just hope this pandemic will be gone but im afraid it will take more than 2 years.
 

bluebird

Major Contributor
I really don't understand people (I don't mean commenters on this thread, I mean in the world). It is only common sense to wear a damn mask, wash your hands, don't gather in groups (or at least minimize it), don't go anywhere nonessential, etc. This is SO f***ing frustrating! Stupid people following an idiotic president, in the U.S......I'm not sure what's causing the stupidity in other countries.

Does it suck? Absolutely! But it's going to suck for a lot longer if people don't abide by these common sense rules. For many people it costs and will cost their health, for others it has cost or will cost their lives.

Thank you for coming to my ranting Ted Talk, lol.
 

Arsiie

Occasional Contributor
I really don't understand people (I don't mean commenters on this thread, I mean in the world). It is only common sense to wear a damn mask, wash your hands, don't gather in groups (or at least minimize it), don't go anywhere nonessential, etc. This is SO f***ing frustrating! Stupid people following an idiotic president, in the U.S......I'm not sure what's causing the stupidity in other countries.

Does it suck? Absolutely! But it's going to suck for a lot longer if people don't abide by these common sense rules. For many people it costs and will cost their health, for others it has cost or will cost their lives.

Thank you for coming to my ranting Ted Talk, lol.
Im sorry bluebird, i know how you feel. To much people are dying and lying in hospitals... I hope you are fine bluebird. People sometimes they just ignore like you say. I wish all could follow this important rules from WHO and other medical teams.
 

bluebird

Major Contributor
Im sorry bluebird, i know how you feel. To much people are dying and lying in hospitals... I hope you are fine bluebird. People sometimes they just ignore like you say. I wish all could follow this important rules from WHO and other medical teams.
I'm fine, as is my family, thank you. I hope you and your loved ones are good as well.
 
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