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BruceAdama

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I find it interesting that with the bulk of NDE accounts, there’s often a variation in the description of the actual transition from here to there… the experience of going from leaving the body, to finally entering the afterlife realm… or at least get a glimpse of it. You would think the process would be standardized, for lack of a better term. I mean, obviously, everyone would see the people important to THEM, and that aspect would vary between accounts… but the actual process of the voyage from here to there… I find that variation fascinating. Like, I can see various people seeing or “feeling” God, the Creator, Jesus, Allah, whatever. But why would some people perceive a cloud of mist, or orbs of light, etc? I guess I’m saying why wouldn’t a passageway just be a passageway… why would it appear so different so often?
 

mac

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I find it interesting that with the bulk of NDE accounts, there’s often a variation in the description of the actual transition from here to there… the experience of going from leaving the body, to finally entering the afterlife realm… or at least get a glimpse of it. You would think the process would be standardized, for lack of a better term. I mean, obviously, everyone would see the people important to THEM, and that aspect would vary between accounts… but the actual process of the voyage from here to there… I find that variation fascinating. Like, I can see various people seeing or “feeling” God, the Creator, Jesus, Allah, whatever. But why would some people perceive a cloud of mist, or orbs of light, etc? I guess I’m saying why wouldn’t a passageway just be a passageway… why would it appear so different so often?
Yuh gonna have to do some learning one day, Brucey boy, if you're genuine about what you're asking.

When you understand and can accept the basics then the peripheral issues you're forever bringing up may not seems as important.
 

bluebird

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mac,

I can't really comment on whether god had anything to do with the recent disasters you mentioned -- I don't know if there is a god, and even if there is, I don't necessarily view it as you do. But in terms of anyone choosing or pre-planning to be a part of and die in those disasters, I agree with you -- in my opinion the idea that thousands of people chose before they were born to die here on earth in such horrible ways is, at least for 99% of those involved, a load of shite.
 

bluebird

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I find it interesting that with the bulk of NDE accounts, there’s often a variation in the description of the actual transition from here to there… the experience of going from leaving the body, to finally entering the afterlife realm… or at least get a glimpse of it. You would think the process would be standardized, for lack of a better term. I mean, obviously, everyone would see the people important to THEM, and that aspect would vary between accounts… but the actual process of the voyage from here to there… I find that variation fascinating. Like, I can see various people seeing or “feeling” God, the Creator, Jesus, Allah, whatever. But why would some people perceive a cloud of mist, or orbs of light, etc? I guess I’m saying why wouldn’t a passageway just be a passageway… why would it appear so different so often?

I think each person would see what would make the most sense to them -- in terms of seeing or feeling god in whatever form would feel most comfortable and comforting to them, but down to the rest of the details as well. Each of us has a different path in life, and I see no reason why that would not continue on the way to the afterlife. It's similar to what we were discussing before (I think it was in this thread....) -- different people will want different things in the afterlife, will want to exist there in different ways....so why wouldn't the same apply to the trip to get there? If there is a god, it makes sense to me that it would be ok with the afterlife, and the path there, appearing to each individual in whichever way would work best for them and ease them into that level of existence.
 

BruceAdama

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SPIRITUAL ALCHEMY

I was watching a few more NDE vids today, and got to wondering… so, supposedly, we’re all supernatural beings - all part of the one great God/mind/force, whatever you want to call it. We can have access to all the knowledge and information and love, as were all linked in that great force. I’ve heard some people say in NDE accounts that they knew everything for a short moment. They didn’t say everything BUT whatever… they said everything. So, in the afterlife realm, we can create our own environments, our own illusory bodies, whatever… if we can even at times travel to lower realms, to be near loved ones… why can’t we access and use the knowledge of how to create a 100% Earth-physical environment and bodies, and apply that ourselves? If we are all part of one greater entity, then there’s no ONE God, and we are all parts of that God. We should be able to do whatever it can do, as when we’re there, we have access to the knowledge. I think I’d want to use my time there learning how to create a truly Earth-physical environment, and do so. The knowledge must be there, somewhere. The knowledge could be kept from us, but if that we’re the case, then we wouldn’t truly be all ONE with the greater force (God). There must be a way. Where there’s a will, there’s a way…
 

bluebird

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SPIRITUAL ALCHEMY

I was watching a few more NDE vids today, and got to wondering… so, supposedly, we’re all supernatural beings - all part of the one great God/mind/force, whatever you want to call it. We can have access to all the knowledge and information and love, as were all linked in that great force. I’ve heard some people say in NDE accounts that they knew everything for a short moment. They didn’t say everything BUT whatever… they said everything. So, in the afterlife realm, we can create our own environments, our own illusory bodies, whatever… if we can even at times travel to lower realms, to be near loved ones… why can’t we access and use the knowledge of how to create a 100% Earth-physical environment and bodies, and apply that ourselves? If we are all part of one greater entity, then there’s no ONE God, and we are all parts of that God. We should be able to do whatever it can do, as when we’re there, we have access to the knowledge. I think I’d want to use my time there learning how to create a truly Earth-physical environment, and do so. The knowledge must be there, somewhere. The knowledge could be kept from us, but if that we’re the case, then we wouldn’t truly be all ONE with the greater force (God). There must be a way. Where there’s a will, there’s a way…

I personally don't believe that we are or become "one with god" in the way that some NDE experiencers describe, or in the way mac believes. At least, I hope that is not the case, or at the very least that we can decide whether or not to choose that for ourselves. I'm more than fine with being able to communicate with others, share things with others instantaneously, share telepathically, etc. I'm fine with linking up with others to some degree, for some period(s) of time. I am not ok with melding with god/source and everyone else like one drop of water in an ocean, one soul in a sea of indistinguishable souls -- for multiple reasons, one of which is that to me, doing so would invalidate my experiences as mine.

So -- I don't believe that "we are all part of one greater entity". However, if we are, then perhaps you are right that in the afterlife you could learn or develop the ability to create a truly earth-physical environment. As far as I'm concerned, you (and I, and everyone) won't really know unless/until we get there.
 

BruceAdama

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SCHOOL’S OUT

I was watching a timelapse of the universe video and had an intriguing thought…

Earth, as well as the planets in the universe are all supposedly schools for incarnates. But it’s said that Earth is the hardest. But in THIS physical universe, stars and entire solar systems come and go, via the death of the host star. It is scientific and physical fact that our sun will eventually go nova, and take out Earth with it. So that got me thinking of the choices that are left to the spiritual realm…

1 - We simply go to another planet to live
2 - There are other copies of our own Earth there, in the universe, or it will be copied, when the sun goes out

I was also thinking about the earlier universe, before our solar system and our Earth was created… where did we go learn the really hard lessons? I mean, if this world is the toughest school… what was it before Earth?

This makes me think that the spiritual realm is in some way beholden to the physical, as there’s only a certain amount of time that life forms can incarnate on Earth (or any physical planet, for that matter), because there’s only a certain amount of time that the planets will be in physical existence. So that would leave the only work-around I can see, which touches on a comment I made to Roberta once… if there is legitimately NO linear time in the afterlife realm, if literally everything is happening all at once, then it should be theoretically possible to incarnate in whatever period of time one wishes, since technically, ALL of their incarnations are happening all at once, from the perspective of the spiritual realm.

This brings up another interesting question… assuming my above theory is correct… no linear time and all incarnations happening at once… then when we die, we should be able to see the records or review of our future incarnations yet to be, since we’d already have been aware of them once back in the spiritual realm.
 

BruceAdama

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WOW. Okay, so I just had my reading. I have to say, I was very surprised by how accurate a lot, if not most of it, was. First, allow me to again express my thanks, Roberta, for such a wonderful gift... thank you. Second... as I have said above... if I am wrong about something, I will admit to it, and say so. According to Susanne, I was not forced here against my will, in so much as I, myself, did in fact have a change of heart, either right before I was born, or after I was born. I told her of the pre-birth memory and memory I had of vehemently protesting my life-to-be here and now, and she said that the memory of dying as a little girl was real, and that that death was to serve the progression in some way of the other members of my soul group. She also said that the memory I have of protesting having to come here and seeing my (current) body, was a memory of an "update" session with my guides, where I learned just how difficult this life would be. She told me that a couple of the people on my "council" had expressed the concern that I had "bitten off more than I could chew", for lack of better terms, but were surprised that I am/was still here, and have remained so strong.

Right off, before I even mentioned anything at all to her, she picked up that I was a creative person, and that I had a VERY strong vibe or link with New York City. She said the first person who was coming through for her was a mother-figure-type, sort of short and heavy-set, and that person was in/from NYC. I told her I didn't know any short-stocky women in NYC personally, at least not in this current life, but that I DO very much consider NYC to be my true home in my heart, and have an unbreakable desire to be there. She said there were quite a few people from NYC coming to her, but that she felt they were likely a family I had in/from a previous life, where I most likely lived there.

She kept telling me and reinforcing to me that she felt I was an incredibly powerful teacher and warrior in my "real" life in the afterlife realm. She said that in almost all of my former lives, I have lived lives of comfort and ease, and that's likely why I feel such resentment in this life, and the hardships within it... because I'm frustrated and angry about it. She also says that this is likely the reason for my intense obsession with the "physicality" of our bodies and the Earth... because as a soul, I am extremely "hedonistic", for lack of a better description. She says that in my true life in the afterlife realm, I am used to existing in luxury and comfort, and having all my pleasures met. The fact that I can't here, angers and frustrates me. She says that according to my guides, this level of pain and suffering is something I will never have to do again (oh, how I pray this is true), but she did voice her firm belief that I would, indeed, choose to come back here, to live another life here... if not reincarnate, she is convinced that I will at least return as a guide, to help those here, since I love the physical plane so much.

She said I had lived many lives before, and that was very, very strong, vibration-wise, which really shocked me, because I told her how much anger I have been carrying around constantly, and how much I have been cursing God, and that I felt such actions would have long diminished my vibration to the lowest/darkest of levels. She said that isn't true, and that supposedly, I am very powerful, spiritually. We both discussed the Veil of Forgetfulness, and we kind of came to a mutual understanding on the matter, lol. Basically, the impression I got from her, was that while she may also not like it, or understand the reasoning behind it, it is there, and there's not much she can do about that, which I have to accept... the Veil isn't her doing or fault, and I wouldn't expect her to be able to shatter it, or simply hand me all the answers on a silver platter. But I do firmly still believe the Veil is a monumental hindrance to our progression, and useless.

She early on, also mentioned Euboea, though at the time, she just relayed those letters to me, in sequence. Euboea is the largest of the Greek isles, and supposedly, I have people who know me from the other side, who are from there. As far as I know, all of my relatives on the Greek side are from Cyprus or Greece proper. It's something I'll look into. I think the person who came through to contact me first, was my grandfather... she said she felt a father-figure-type sort, who had said he had come to me before. I figured it had to be my grandfather, since I had him come to me in the dream which I posted about in this very forum, and since he's the only one I know like that who has passed. She also got in contact with my teacher who had passed, and he (the teacher) said that he comes to me and has even helped me at work, which I could accept/feel. She said my two kitties who have past visit me, and know I love them.

All in all, I felt it was very productive, and I got a lot from it/out of it. Again, my thanks again to Roberta, and also, please again convey my thanks to Susanne!
So, I located the post detailing my reading experience. It was illuminating to revisit it, and it put me back in focus in a few areas, and reminded me of remaining questions in others. Maybe one day when I have the financial means, I’ll get another reading. Who knows.
 

mac

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I'd like to read the whole thread the posting comes from. Will you copy its location and post it here, please?
 
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