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BruceAdama
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Here’s another one. Even though I hate the idea of not having a body, I like the fact that this guy thought to include the detail of how he saw his legs dissolving. And, as I’ve stated here in my thread, I don’t see the purpose to any incarnations, if one, the afterlife is a place where nothing but joy and leave and happiness exists… why would we need to come here to experience the opposite of that, and supposedly elevate to a higher plane or being, when that realm is already higher than Earth… there’s no purpose to learning about or experiencing something which literally does not exist… it doesn’t exist there… so what point is there to learn anger or suffering here, only to return to where those things don’t exist? It doesn’t prepare us for anything… what, are we gonna wage war in the afterlife? Are we gonna steal, or be racist? No. It doesn’t have any bearing on the functionality of the afterlife realm, and it’s something we’ll never encounter or have to deal with, so it’s not preparing us or educating us in any way. It’s like me learning Sanskrit… I’ll never use it, and it’ll never apply to me, so it’s just a waste of time and energy. People keep saying in these NDE’s that they are told or feel that they’re all perfect… that we’re all perfect beings. If that’s so, then we don’t need to learn or experience anything, as were perfect as it is. Anyway, here’s the vid…
BruceAdama
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In this one, the guy speaks of not only his current life’s review, but of recalling his lives as female, on other planets, etc, which is interesting, because, as I’ve said here, the one memory I’ve retained from my last life was the very end of that life, where I was a little girl that had been hit by a car. It’s been said by someone here that other planets are also schools like an earth, but that Earth is the hardest. I think I might consider incarnating on another world again, should that be an option.
I watched the first video whose link is posted. I will probably not view the other as I have no personal need.
I'd guess it might be typical of other NDE accounts but I say I'm guessing only because I don't actually read or watch many. I'd also say the guy's experience could be, should be, uplifting and encouraging for individuals who are yet to be persuaded about the notion of survival. And yet.....
The scrolls are an interesting representation in order to portray to the NDE traveler that our lives are not unplanned or chaotic. I say the scrolls are a representation of what we plan because I don't see our planning as written down that way. But portraying the so-called life plan that may may work for others and if it works then that's all that matters. What the NDE traveler couldn't do, though, was to see the outcomes scroll and that's the one where we get to see why stuff didn't work out as we hoped and/or planned.
I couldn't guess how many times I've said that not everything - maybe not ANYTHING - works out exactly or even close to what was intended. You know that old bumper sticker "Shit happens."? It may be BIG shit for some guys and that's where I have to appear as an LP playing the same old record - our chosen path may be impacted by the paths of others or stuff just going wrong.
It would be an absurdity to suggest every life here was planned to be exactly the way it turned out in every case. Shit happens, people get sick or injured when it wasn't planned, they may die unexpectedly because their bodies went wrong or for some other unplanned reason. Or perhaps for a planned reason we don't know about.
Should we take notice of the accounts we hear/read of near-death experiences? YES WE SHOULD! But we should not believe every single detail we see in a video or hear from a person who experienced apparent near-death. An NDE gives just an insight into what happens after death - just a small insight.
Why not consider an NDE as a fly-on-the-wall glimpse into what may happen, what can happen, what might happen to you after your death, rather than a verbatim explanation of every single aspect?
I'd guess it might be typical of other NDE accounts but I say I'm guessing only because I don't actually read or watch many. I'd also say the guy's experience could be, should be, uplifting and encouraging for individuals who are yet to be persuaded about the notion of survival. And yet.....
The scrolls are an interesting representation in order to portray to the NDE traveler that our lives are not unplanned or chaotic. I say the scrolls are a representation of what we plan because I don't see our planning as written down that way. But portraying the so-called life plan that may may work for others and if it works then that's all that matters. What the NDE traveler couldn't do, though, was to see the outcomes scroll and that's the one where we get to see why stuff didn't work out as we hoped and/or planned.
I couldn't guess how many times I've said that not everything - maybe not ANYTHING - works out exactly or even close to what was intended. You know that old bumper sticker "Shit happens."? It may be BIG shit for some guys and that's where I have to appear as an LP playing the same old record - our chosen path may be impacted by the paths of others or stuff just going wrong.
It would be an absurdity to suggest every life here was planned to be exactly the way it turned out in every case. Shit happens, people get sick or injured when it wasn't planned, they may die unexpectedly because their bodies went wrong or for some other unplanned reason. Or perhaps for a planned reason we don't know about.
Should we take notice of the accounts we hear/read of near-death experiences? YES WE SHOULD! But we should not believe every single detail we see in a video or hear from a person who experienced apparent near-death. An NDE gives just an insight into what happens after death - just a small insight.
Why not consider an NDE as a fly-on-the-wall glimpse into what may happen, what can happen, what might happen to you after your death, rather than a verbatim explanation of every single aspect?
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bluebird
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I sort of view NDE experience videos as possible glimpses into what may be after death, much as mac suggests. Aside from the possibility/fact that an NDE isn't quite the same as properly/fully dying and moving along to whatever's next, what also must be taken into consideration is that each person's NDE experience may be colored by her/his beliefs and/or life experience. I know that's not always the case, that actually some people have NDEs in which the afterlife shown to them does not fit in with what they expected or had previously been taught in their faith/religion, but it is still a factor to be considered.
I watched the video with the guy who was electrocuted while on the phone (I will watch the other video later). He seemed pleasant and didn't seem to be lying (insofar as one can even tell via this medium) -- but I have to say I was a bit thrown by his recollection and description of the three weird little goblinish guys. I thought his account was going to turn into one recounting an ET experience. Has anyone here ever read about encountering beings like that before in any other NDE?
I watched the video with the guy who was electrocuted while on the phone (I will watch the other video later). He seemed pleasant and didn't seem to be lying (insofar as one can even tell via this medium) -- but I have to say I was a bit thrown by his recollection and description of the three weird little goblinish guys. I thought his account was going to turn into one recounting an ET experience. Has anyone here ever read about encountering beings like that before in any other NDE?
quote: "......but I have to say I was a bit thrown by his recollection and description of the three weird little goblinish guys. I thought his account was going to turn into one recounting an ET experience. Has anyone here ever read about encountering beings like that before in any other NDE?"
I haven't and if I were to encounter such an account I'd be inclined to doubt most of what had been described.
I haven't and if I were to encounter such an account I'd be inclined to doubt most of what had been described.
BruceAdama
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I think you’re mixing up two accounts… the three goblin guys was the very first video I posted, on the previous page, I think… the phone electrocution guy was the older guy with the white beard… the last video I posted. He was the one who developed the knack for classical music.
bluebird
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That's definitely possible, lol.
My thoughts have become focused by recent events many thousands of miles from North America. They've been on a particular aspect in this recent conversation and one we've looked at here on ALF during the years when we had active members, unlike nowadays sadly. It's the aspect of pre-life plannning of our incarnations - if you're not persuaded about reincarnation let's just say our incarnation singular.
We've often debated how or if our lives' events are pre-planned and I'm pretty sure I raised the issue in connection with the victims of 9/11 if you cast your minds back. I don't remember now who it was but the argument was put forward that the 6,000 odd killed in connection with those awful events would have known they would die that way hence that could be seen as it being planned. I may have the details or the emphasis wrong but I believe I said then words to the effect that I found such an assertion a crock.
In recent days there have been a couple of dreadful earthquakes and just two days ago a devastating storm that burst two dams and has killed thousands. Using the principle of pre-planning our lives some might argue the victims planned that outcome but again I'd say that assertion's a crock. Neither was it the proverbial 'act of God' because God ain't involved with day-to-day earth events. On that same basis it couldn't/wouldn't prevent the disasters either.
Scaling back to consider the individual - any individual - I suggest that anyone of a mind to blame God (or whomever) for their misfortunes would do well to reflect that although misfortunes MAY just possibly have been pre-planned, much more likely is it that most are not. And my understanding of God is that it would neither cause nor prevent misfortune. Misfortunes - I suggest - of whatever magnitude are likely to be down to 'bad luck', perhaps a coinciding of two or more related or unrelated events resulting in unwelcome consequences. Or down to a failure or an action by some individual or body leading to them.
We've often debated how or if our lives' events are pre-planned and I'm pretty sure I raised the issue in connection with the victims of 9/11 if you cast your minds back. I don't remember now who it was but the argument was put forward that the 6,000 odd killed in connection with those awful events would have known they would die that way hence that could be seen as it being planned. I may have the details or the emphasis wrong but I believe I said then words to the effect that I found such an assertion a crock.
In recent days there have been a couple of dreadful earthquakes and just two days ago a devastating storm that burst two dams and has killed thousands. Using the principle of pre-planning our lives some might argue the victims planned that outcome but again I'd say that assertion's a crock. Neither was it the proverbial 'act of God' because God ain't involved with day-to-day earth events. On that same basis it couldn't/wouldn't prevent the disasters either.
Scaling back to consider the individual - any individual - I suggest that anyone of a mind to blame God (or whomever) for their misfortunes would do well to reflect that although misfortunes MAY just possibly have been pre-planned, much more likely is it that most are not. And my understanding of God is that it would neither cause nor prevent misfortune. Misfortunes - I suggest - of whatever magnitude are likely to be down to 'bad luck', perhaps a coinciding of two or more related or unrelated events resulting in unwelcome consequences. Or down to a failure or an action by some individual or body leading to them.