Anyone Seen An Apparition?

Ruby

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I'm still unable to put this to rest. I was thinking lately that if it had been a hallucination, (a year ago this coming week, and I think about it every day), a hallucination stems from the brain obviously and so it would be a static image? In my case though, the apparition appeared a little way down my bedside (quite well formed), then I had to move my eyes to see it up by my pillow (see-through), then I thought it had vanished only to see it by the bathroom door as a solid dark shape. My point is that I was following it with my eyes, rather than it being stuck in my head. I hope you know what I mean.
I read online that seeing apparitions happens in the hypnogogic/hypnopompic state. Interesting, in that the medium I saw said that's what she enters to do a reading. She's trained herself to get there quickly. And my reading was successful, spookily so. I have to confess something embarrassing. When I went to bed that night a year ago I was searching for something in my bathroom cabinet, couldn't find it, but pulled out a packet of waxing strips and thought I might as well put a couple on my forearms (as you do). My wrists were then smarting so much I couldn't sleep. Add to that the hail and wind of the weather that week, and I think I put myself in the hypnogogic state. But here's the question: surely that state is something we all fall into and out of several times a night. If apparitions were only a result of that, wouldn't they happen more frequently? Instead of just once (usually). Unless we subconsciously want to stop more happening as that would take away the specialness of seeing our deceased. Our brains have amazing abilities after all.
 

poeticblue

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I see images of animals (predominantly cats) right after wakening from my sleep. Then they slowly fade away within seconds. They appear to be very shadowy looking figures and some even resemble my cats that are now deceased that I use to have in my waking life. Whether it’s something spiritual or medical related I’m not sure. But I definitely deal with it on a regular basis and it’s actually pretty cool to experience. If it is something more on a spiritual basis, then my cats definitely remind me of the Cheshire Cat in Alice in Wonderland. They show up then disappear :p
 

RobertaGrimes

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I'm still unable to put this to rest. I was thinking lately that if it had been a hallucination, (a year ago this coming week, and I think about it every day), a hallucination stems from the brain obviously and so it would be a static image? In my case though, the apparition appeared a little way down my bedside (quite well formed), then I had to move my eyes to see it up by my pillow (see-through), then I thought it had vanished only to see it by the bathroom door as a solid dark shape. My point is that I was following it with my eyes, rather than it being stuck in my head. I hope you know what I mean.
I read online that seeing apparitions happens in the hypnogogic/hypnopompic state. Interesting, in that the medium I saw said that's what she enters to do a reading. She's trained herself to get there quickly. And my reading was successful, spookily so. I have to confess something embarrassing. When I went to bed that night a year ago I was searching for something in my bathroom cabinet, couldn't find it, but pulled out a packet of waxing strips and thought I might as well put a couple on my forearms (as you do). My wrists were then smarting so much I couldn't sleep. Add to that the hail and wind of the weather that week, and I think I put myself in the hypnogogic state. But here's the question: surely that state is something we all fall into and out of several times a night. If apparitions were only a result of that, wouldn't they happen more frequently? Instead of just once (usually). Unless we subconsciously want to stop more happening as that would take away the specialness of seeing our deceased. Our brains have amazing abilities after all.

Dear Ruby, many people see visions of people who look real but are not in this physical dimension, and what happened to you certainly seems to have been one such vision! The fact that - as you say - you followed it with your eyes does suggest that it was in the room and not in your head. Thank you for sharing this story!
 

Nirvana

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"at my mums funeral, I actually saw her sat on the end of the coffin swinging her legs. [She looked] solid as a rock, she also looked really happy" -Jan Robertson, from the facebook group "Afterlife Topics and Metaphysics"

" I saw similar when I was at Ken's wake. He was leaning on his coffin and propping his head on his hand. He looked at me, winked, and disappeared. Came back in later when the ancient priest was mumbling through the prayers and made a hurry up gesture. He saw that I saw him again, mimed "Oops!" and disappeared again." -Michele Paige, from the same facebook group
 

Ruby

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Thanks for your interesting replies, poeticblue, Roberta and Nirvana. It's just impossible to pin all this stuff down. Nirvana's examples show you don't have to be falling asleep to see figures. Frustrating, but so very glad it happened anyway.
 

Ruby

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A friend asked me why, if they have "gone to the light", they show up here in this dimension?
 

bluebird

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A friend asked me why, if they have "gone to the light", they show up here in this dimension?
Assuming there is an afterlife, perhaps they are able to travel between that world and this one. There's no reason to assume that they can't, or that they can -- so the possibility exists.
 

innerperson

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A friend asked me why, if they have "gone to the light", they show up here in this dimension?

Apparently there is quite a few that don't transition to the afterlife right away. In Carol and Mikey's thread, it was mentioned the number could be as high as 20% of Earth deaths that have issues with transitioning.
 

Ruby

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My friend asked this as she heard breathing over the car radio, and a strong sense of presence, when she went to collect the car and her husband's things from where he'd gone and died suddenly in a hotel. It really plays on her mind. I think she'll consult a medium. Thank you all for your answers.
 

Kurt

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I used to live on hickam field. Plenty there. I also grew up at a orphanage where some kids were murdered. Some more there as well.
 

Ruby

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Wow, Thanks Kurt. Hope life is treating you well and things are fine for you. I didn't think orphanages still existed. You sound like you're speaking from the nineteenth century, like a ghost yourself. It must have been creepy there at night. Of course, now we've learned about the afterlife (if it exists) we ought to be able to cast off the idea that these things are creepy. But frights go deep! My hubby has been away again Monday and Tuesday night and have slept really badly and am exhausted as so aware of the dark and quiet, and thinking my son could suddenly appear beside me again, and maybe I'd see his face this time. This is a whole year later, today is the actual anniversary of the "haunting". Don't get me wrong: I was thrilled to bits and still am. Can't deny I can still remember watching "Scooby Doo" cartoons and being disappointed when the spirit was unmasked as an ordinary person.
 

Kurt

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What orphanage was that may I ask?
Brookhaven Youth Ranch, located in West Texas. Its. Billed as a group home for boys but is really just a dumping ground for kids with nowhere to go. Juvenile Delinquents go there as a sort of halfway post before going home and so do foster youth no one wants to adopt. I refused to be adopted so thats where i ended up at. Its a very predatory enviroment when ypu mix two groups of people and one is inherently defenseless while the other is inherently vicious. It sucks the humanity out of you.

A staff murdered a kid in 1999. And still works there. My best friend got murdered there in 2014.. The news story left out some big details.
 

Ruby

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Not sure how you move on from that, Kurt. You're doing really well.

Yesterday an elderly lady told me that she had briefly left her body and was looking down at herself in a group of others on a tour. I think she said South America, at altitude. Very interesting that this happens to our consciousness. She also told me that after her husband died four months ago for a short period she had no shaking at all in her hands.
 

Kurt

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Not sure how you move on from that, Kurt. You're doing really well.

Yesterday an elderly lady told me that she had briefly left her body and was looking down at herself in a group of others on a tour. I think she said South America, at altitude. Very interesting that this happens to our consciousness. She also told me that after her husband died four months ago for a short period she had no shaking at all in her hands.

For me i focus on my future. As for her? Awww... Thats sweet that she had that kind of resolve and comfort in him going to heaven.

The SA story is interesting. Sometimes i walk around without really thinking about anything. Like i have no conscious.... Complete disconnection.

I wonder if our experiences somehow corellate.

I used to have plenty of OBEs in pubescence.
 

angelapdx

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I don't know if it was an apparition but I saw a black... Thing... Looked like the shadow of maybe a bird flying but it was in mid-air away from any wall or surface...a little black(maybe four inches) puff of shape. And it moved in a direction further away from the wall (it was a couple of feet away from the wall) and towards me to my left and I was wide awake and actually turned my head and watched it as it disappeared. It has happened twice that I can recall, the other time was in a different home. I was 100% awake with the tv on and fiddling with my phone. There wasn't any way for a shadow to be where it was and in any case, it was in mid-air and not against a solid object.

If you think you saw something it was probably there!
 

Ruby

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Sort of like a bed sheet, you mean? Funny. I had the same attitude until it happened to me.
 

ravensgate

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I have, more than once. Wish I hadn't. As someone once said to me, I can play ostrich and fight any communication till the cows come home, but if the Universe has different plans, all my fighting is/will be useless. As usual, I spent an inordinate amount of time and effort to find a "reasonable" explanation :confused::rolleyes:
 

Ruby

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Ravensgate, would you be able to answer if it's the same deceased more than one time? Is this ADCs in your view, or unknown ghosts? What were your top contenders for a reasonable explanation? Sorry about all these questions. It's just such an interesting subject and no-one will talk about it.
 
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Ruby

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Why do you wish you hadn't? I'm still thrilled to bits a whole year later, yet live in dread of it happening again in case of seeing the face! The expression would just devastate me, and the mere idea of it has kept me awake and trembling beneath the covers each time my husband has been away for a year now. (That won't happen again as he's retiring within the month as coming up to age sixty! Yes, I do know how silly I've been!) Then again, did I somehow for that reason choose not to see the top of the body, in the same way I only saw it once, thereby keeping it special? Did I just see what I wanted to see?
I read the comments beneath an online site where people who had seen apparitions sensibly put the blame on normal explanations. Why was that not my reaction? I get occasional migraines with aura. The aura is obviously still there when you move your head. This apparition of my son: First if all I addressed it as I thought it was my husband home early, such was the strong sense of presence, turned towards it, then followed it with my vision, as it bent over me wearing chinos and a plaid shirt! Surely a grief hallucination, which is the psychiatric explanation, can't always be the answer eighteen months from the death, or even years afterwards? I know there are no answers but just in case someone out there has any ideas.
 
I’ve never personally seen anything, but I have friends and relatives that claim they have. Either way I find it interesting to read all these stories. Quite a fascinating topic.
 

Ruby

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Trouserdog, have you come across the After Death Communications Research Foundation (ADCRF.com)? They post new stories every week.
 

ravensgate

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Ravensgate, would you be able to answer if it's the same deceased more than one time? Is this ADCs in your view, or unknown ghosts? What were your top contenders for a reasonable explanation? Sorry about all these questions. It's just such an interesting subject and no-one will talk about it.
Ruby, I read your post, and I promise I will answer your questions. I'm on my way out the door and do not expect to return home until after dark, but to answer your first question, the answer is "No", it was not the same deceased that I saw more than once. Will explain later. :)
 

Ruby

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Looking forward to it, thanks. I was just thinking how I find some of the psychological sites quite patronising in their tone, implying we're falling apart mentally and can't control our imaginations, when so many people experience crisis apparitions before they know about the death or experiences after they've stopped feeling the trauma of it or just going about their day. Their analysis could imply that the more trauma the more apparitions/other sensory hallucinations. But I don't suppose anyone has done any research with people who've been through terrible events with multiple family members lost, as that would be crass! Although, who knows, maybe the psychiatrists are right. Maybe the conditions are laid down in the mind following just one death of someone close for these things to happen and they can pop out at any time, even just once: one voice and one vision in normal, sane people? I know nothing about the workings of the mind.
 

ravensgate

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Why do you wish you hadn't? I'm still thrilled to bits a whole year later, yet live in dread of it happening again in case of seeing the face! The expression would just devastate me, and the mere idea of it has kept me awake and trembling beneath the covers each time my husband has been away for a year now. (That won't happen again as he's retiring within the month as coming up to age sixty! Yes, I do know how silly I've been!) Then again, did I somehow for that reason choose not to see the top of the body, in the same way I only saw it once, thereby keeping it special? Did I just see what I wanted to see?
I read the comments beneath an online site where people who had seen apparitions sensibly put the blame on normal explanations. Why was that not my reaction? I get occasional migraines with aura. The aura is obviously still there when you move your head. This apparition of my son: First if all I addressed it as I thought it was my husband home early, such was the strong sense of presence, turned towards it, then followed it with my vision, as it bent over me wearing chinos and a plaid shirt! Surely a grief hallucination, which is the psychiatric explanation, can't always be the answer eighteen months from the death, or even years afterwards? I know there are no answers but just in case someone out there has any ideas.

Ruby, my apology for the late response to your post. Perhaps I ought to begin by letting you know that I was raised in a family where religion was not discussed much and even less practiced. I was baptized "to keep the rest of the family quiet" - as my mother once told me. I grew up agnostic and, later, as I progressed through my medical studies, atheist. I was my belief that once you die, that's it, the camera lens closes, show is over, oblivion; nothing else. The soul leaving the body? Silly. Animals surviving their physical death? Ludicrous! At the top of my specialty (at that time it was neuropsychiatry, which eventually split into the more distinct specialties of psychiatry and neurology) I had a bit of the arrogant "expert" attitude. Today, at times I feel a bit embarrassed, but I suppose I could see it as the way things were meant to unfold. I will share with you two apparitions. I will later share a couple of veridical experiences.

One evening I was sitting in my dining room going over some papers. I was quite involved with my paperwork, but suddenly I felt as if "something" wasn't quite right. I shrugged off the feeling and continued with my work. Eventually, my attention was caught by a light between the dining room door and one of the halls. I looked straight at it and could not believe my eyes. A young man who had died a year or two before was standing there looking at me and smiling. I felt unable to speak (a rare occurrence for me!) and just looked, trying to think of some rational explanation for the vision. His entire figure looked as if covered by thousands of tiny lights. The body looked solid enough but what caught my attention in particular was that the light(s) was not static, it/they was/were energized. He said something to me (I prefer not to say), but his lips did not move. All I said during the encounter was his name, was still trying to explain to myself how I could explain it all "logically". I wasn't able to do so.

The second experience I'm sharing with you is the apparition of my German shepherd dog. Of all our dogs, I had a very special bond with her; in my eyes, in my opinion, she was the best of the best. A couple of weeks or more since her death, I was in my bedroom reading a magazine. I hear my 2 dogs (a Rottweiler and a Heinz 57) getting a bit too excited playing somewhere in the hall or foyer; so I told them to settle down. They did, but only for seconds, and then they started up again. I got annoyed, and headed to the hall to give them "a good talking to". Well, what I saw stopped me in my tracks. In the hall, facing the grandfather clock, was my beloved GSD. She was looking at me, tongue sticking out, looked like she did when in her prime, even better actually. It's as if she was showing off how wonderful she looked, finally free of her painful arthritis. I called out her name, she was wagging her tail, looking so happy, sassy, full of health (I'm getting emotional as I type this, so many years later!). I walked toward her, hoping to touch her, but she slowly vanished. I was unable to explain the apparition, I was not thinking about her, I was not reading anything even remotely associated with any of this. Her entire body was covered in what looked like brilliant frost as if thousands of tiny white lights covered her. The lights surrounding the apparition of the young man looked exactly like the lights covering my beloved GSD. Unless some yet-to-be-discovered neural circuitry was at play in both instances, I failed in my repeated attempts to explain these events.
 

Ruby

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Thank you so much for this marvellous description! I've been sneaking peeks to see if you've replied yet, so am hot on your heels here! I'm so reassured yet surprised by your specialty that you still believe the apparitions were real and you can't find a normal explanation! I too remember seeing the many little points of light!
 

genewardsmith

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It should be noted that apparitions are not always of someone well-known or loved, which weakens the case for a psychological explanation.
 

Ruby

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Yes, I was thinking the same as the young man didn't seem to be a close relative or friend.
 

Ruby

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The dogs barking is an interesting aspect, as suggests they were aware of the visitor, if we can assume that was the reason for the barking.
 

Ruby

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Ravensgate, you haven't written about the veridical experiences you mentioned on 23rd March! You may have already done so in the past, so if you don't feel up to the typing you could refer me to the relevant thread. I would be so very interested to read them.
I note you mention unknown neural circuitry as a possible explanation for apparitions. I happened to see a book on hypnotism meant for dentists last night and am aware of the complexity of consciousness, but couldn't really make much of it, but you'd understand this subject and presumably didn't see any obvious solution in hypnotism? It's still odd to think people only see the dead, and not the living, if psychologists put the experiences down to grief. (I know they're called "grief hallucinations"). I'm quite sure people can grieve just as much for those who leave them, who they know they'll never see again, as for the dead. Imagine the trauma of waving off early emigrants from Europe to America in former times. I wonder if those who remained were ever visited by apparitions? (I suppose back then it was never mentioned as would be taken as a sign of madness; still is by many!) Or the end of a romance, or a beloved parent leaving a child who can't understand what's happened. I can still remember the upset when my schoolfriend moved hundreds of miles away when I was about eight. So is it just that in some way the finality of death alone affects the brain? But then when you take shared and veridical experiences into account it becomes very interesting.
 

Ruby

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Hmmm, I read the other day that occasionally people have claimed to see the living when they physically are elsewhere, so bang goes that theory. I really can't seem to think through the implications of this. Too tired. At the weekend two people have told me they've seen dead people too, neither sure of the nature of what it was they were seeing. One so terrified he immediately fled from the empty house he was painting, so sure was he that his mother-in-law was behind him! It's certainly not an uncommon experience, but I wonder how experiencers accommodate it when they've finally stopped searching for answers. I think I just prefer to believe it was a visit. I only have to remember how real it was at the time. After all, there are plenty of very intelligent people who take these things seriously, so I'm in good company. I needn't think I'm crazy.
 

Kurt

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Hmmm, I read the other day that occasionally people have claimed to see the living when they physically are elsewhere, so bang goes that theory. I really can't seem to think through the implications of this. Too tired. At the weekend two people have told me they've seen dead people too, neither sure of the nature of what it was they were seeing. One so terrified he immediately fled from the empty house he was painting, so sure was he that his mother-in-law was behind him! It's certainly not an uncommon experience, but I wonder how experiencers accommodate it when they've finally stopped searching for answers. I think I just prefer to believe it was a visit. I only have to remember how real it was at the time. After all, there are plenty of very intelligent people who take these things seriously, so I'm in good company. I needn't think I'm crazy.

Poor painter....

If that happened to me I would be screaming in pain.

The reason why is I would be running so fast my shoes would light on fire.
 

Kurt

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On another note however, there is something interesting that has happened to me.


Every now and then I will have a dream about a girl I have never met who gives me advice spiritually.

I have even seen her out of the corner of my eye for a millisecond or so.

I assume she is my spirit guide but I am not sure. I feel we are connected in a way.
 

Kurt

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Im not certain of anything. I feel as if we have a metaphysical connection but that she may not even be here in this realm.

Maybe another one? The afterlife? I am not sure.

I feel like I am here to cause something big but at the same time advance myself enough to move on to a higher state of existence.
 

Kurt

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Maybe we are from the same soul cell or we knew each other in a previous life.

Perhaps we are from 2 different planes but somehow connected.

We both exist at the same time and are connected metaphysically

So.... Spirit guide sounds about right.
 

Kurt

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I used to live on Hickam airfield. Very haunted. That was the only time I ever found a hostile apparition.
 

Kurt

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Maybe it's Little Miss "Boo" Peep. Sorry. Seriously, as long as she's friendly.
Outside of dreams... I only saw the apparition twice. For half a second. Both times it appeared as scared as I was
 

Kurt

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But my favorite rapper died a year ago.... His name was Lil Bo Peep. Funny how you said that, lol.
 

poeticblue

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Does that sound like a spirit guide?

Hi Kurt.. my guess is that she may perhaps be someone in your same soul group or more than likely just a friendly spirit. I can’t say for certain and most certainly don’t want to give you wrong information and claim she is a spirit guide. This is your life experience and eventually you will learn and tell the difference from what you are experiencing more than any of us.

On another note, speaking of rain.. It’s coming down real bad in Atlanta Ga right now. I love it, but at the same time it’s difficult to get out and drive safely. The winds are extremely high and the trees are tilting over. It should be over within the next couple of hours so hopefully we can get out and do something today.
 

ravensgate

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Ravensgate, you haven't written about the veridical experiences you mentioned on 23rd March! You may have already done so in the past, so if you don't feel up to the typing you could refer me to the relevant thread. I would be so very interested to read them.
I note you mention unknown neural circuitry as a possible explanation for apparitions. I happened to see a book on hypnotism meant for dentists last night and am aware of the complexity of consciousness, but couldn't really make much of it, but you'd understand this subject and presumably didn't see any obvious solution in hypnotism? It's still odd to think people only see the dead, and not the living, if psychologists put the experiences down to grief. (I know they're called "grief hallucinations"). I'm quite sure people can grieve just as much for those who leave them, who they know they'll never see again, as for the dead. Imagine the trauma of waving off early emigrants from Europe to America in former times. I wonder if those who remained were ever visited by apparitions? (I suppose back then it was never mentioned as would be taken as a sign of madness; still is by many!) Or the end of a romance, or a beloved parent leaving a child who can't understand what's happened. I can still remember the upset when my schoolfriend moved hundreds of miles away when I was about eight. So is it just that in some way the finality of death alone affects the brain? But then when you take shared and veridical experiences into account it becomes very interesting.

My apologies, Ruby. Ended up out of town and working (though I fool myself claiming I'm "retired", lol). One experience I'd like to share with you concerns a patient of mine who told me that his brother-in-law ----- (he mentioned his name) had died and had come to see him. I knew nothing about his BIL, but asked him why he had visited. He looked at me as if I had grown a few extra heads, and told me his BIL visited because he was "more than ready" to leave his broken body. He told me "they" were still working on him, but it was useless because his BIL had no intention of coming back.

Medically speaking there was no reason to believe my patient was at the end of his life; a bit depressed, perhaps, but scans and all lab work consistently unremarkable. My patient never left his room, walked a few times in the ICU, never venturing outside of it. I dismissed his story, preferring to think he had a dream/hallucination; nevertheless, something kept nagging at me. After seeing the other patients, I asked one of the nurses if any codes were called during the previous 8 hours: 3 codes, two in MICU and one on the med-surg floor. She told me the med-surg floor was still in progress. I must admit at this point I grew a bit more interested in this med-surg code (though still trying to throw all this "nonsense" out of my mind!).

I was extremely surprised - stunned might be a better choice of words - to find out that yes, the code was still going on, a member of this patient's family was in the visitors' lounge. Walked there, to find out he (the relative) had another member of his family in the ICU - my patient! He was waiting for the rest of the family to arrive. Told me his uncle (the patient in distress) was not feeling well that day, ended up needing an ambulance and admitted to hospital to run "some tests"; they never thought his life would be on the line, yet there he was...
The family did not tell my patient in the ICU of his BIL's death until the following day. He told me that when they shared the news he wasn't surprised one bit because he "already knew that!" He then said he'd be going to join his BIL shortly, and within 14 hours he too checked out of this world.
This is one of my most recent experiences, but there are several others. I will share them with you as time allows.
 

Ruby

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Thanks, Ravensgate. I think cases like these are very compelling for us to read, especially coming from someone like yourself, alert and at work!
 

ravensgate

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Thanks, Ravensgate. I think cases like these are very compelling for us to read, especially coming from someone like yourself, alert and at work!

Ruby, I think you will find Dr. Moody's "Glimpses of Eternity" a very interesting read. I especially like Glimpses of Eternity because it hits very, very close to my experiences in the field!
 

Kurt

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Hi Kurt.. my guess is that she may perhaps be someone in your same soul group or more than likely just a friendly spirit. I can’t say for certain and most certainly don’t want to give you wrong information and claim she is a spirit guide. This is your life experience and eventually you will learn and tell the difference from what you are experiencing more than any of us.

On another note, speaking of rain.. It’s coming down real bad in Atlanta Ga right now. I love it, but at the same time it’s difficult to get out and drive safely. The winds are extremely high and the trees are tilting over. It should be over within the next couple of hours so hopefully we can get out and do something today.

Nice. I made a recording of the rain out here in San Antonio but it is to large to upload
 
Yes I have a few times and in different ways. Ive been investigating 'ghosts' for about 14 yrs now. I specialise now in EVP.Some of these times I have been in company and they have seen it too or Ive seen it alone. These have been seen with the naked eye but have also seen the odd spirit with my third eye. I do have some ability but its uncontrolled and I have never really worked on it.
I have found that spirit can manifest in many different ways to the naked eye and usually they are spirits closer to the earth plane. I have seen higher spirits with my third eye and felt them as well. I have also felt a spirit that I think was unhuman and for some reason I couldnt see it but felt its energy clairsentiently
Let me describe as best I can, the spirits that I saw with my naked eye.

A man spirit who came home with me from an investigation. I was sitting in my lounge room watching tv with my husband when this spirit just walked straight across in front of me and the tv at a pace that a man would walk. I saw the outline of him good enough to tell his height and that it was a man. It was like a fine line and then the inside of him was distorted , almost like how heat on a road distorts the air above. Reminded me a little bit of the movie ' Predator'. I only saw him for a few seconds as he walked across and I looked at my husband in shock and he hadnt seen anything. I didnt ask him but I know from no reaction, he didnt see him.

Ive seen a few shadow ghosts. One initially initated as a yellowish light in a room with no electricity. I was a little away from the window. I froze ( that feeling you sometimes get when you know its paranormal lol) and then called to the rest of my team. They went to the window and were excited and then I walked over and looked in and there was enough light in the room coming from an outside street light, to be able to distinguish this small shadow thing about 3 feet tall , almost like a blob, and it was darting from one end of the room to the other. It darted like a wild animal would at night foraging for food. The room was completely empty of any furniture and it was plainly seen by all.

Ive also seen, at the same large location (Quarantine Station Sydney) in another 2 story building, a strange shadow. I was with my sister and we were walking away from the locked building with no one inside. The lights were left on. There was a 4 paned window on the stair case and we both watched a black shadow moving from the bottom of the pane to the top, almost like it was standing on the staircase. It reminded me of when you put ink in water. It sort of dispersed or moved like that and you could gage the movement by the window panes.

Ive also seen a swift moving shadow that had bad energy. I dont know what that was and I never want to see that again. It flew from one end of a room to the other back and forward and it reminded me of the shadows in ' Ghost' that came for the man who murdered his friend and work collegue.

Ive also seen spirits in orb form with my eyes. I also have footage of this and we frequented this place a lot and we always saw 2 spirits following each other in a line and the lights were bright and would flash and it was inside a building..not fireflys. Didnt look like that anyway. I also have footage of a man saying he can see them against the door and then the video showing them on the door when he says this. Also seen coloured sparks like this.

Only once have I seen your typical apparition. It was in the company of 3 other people. All saw it except for 1 person which was strange. I dont understand why. It was in an old train tunnel well known for sightings. We had set up an IR camera but it was down the other end of the tunnel on a tripod and it was too far to pick up what we saw. We had walked down the tunnel a bit. Often before in this tunnel we had seen coloured lights at the end of the tunnel and they would resemble what I can only describe in appearance, as looking like the very last light of a professional firework , when they fade out. This night we saw the white one but instead of it fading out, it got bigger and bigger and then it took on the form of a woman in a dress. It sort of looked like a hologram and it gave off a light like the moon that lit up the tunnel walls. It was also about 3 feet off the ground and it glided from side to side, at one time moving towards us and then backed off again. We saw it for a couple of minutes and then the light faded and it got small again and it went into the one light, and faded out completely. I got a lot of evp in that tunnel also and in the day time. There was also a spirit that would toss rocks near us but not to hit us.

When I see the spirits with my third eye, its like a quick daydream. It will only last a couple of seconds, like a flash but usually its vivid and I can describe what I saw. I hate when that happens lol. After that I will be searching history to find something on what I saw and mostly I dont find anything. I like to verify my evp also with history. Many times I get my evp verified through what I find historically
 

Ruby

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Fascinating - thanks for your post. Interesting that others saw the same things. What makes you think that something has bad energy? Did you know you had the ability to sense things before you started 14 years ago?
 
I can tell when a spirit has bad energy because it will make me feel physically sick if it gets close to my energy field. I feel nauseous but the nausea doesn’t seem to come from lower stomach like if you have eaten too much, more higher up like in the bottom of my throat. I might get a headache too and feel dizzy. I also feel this funny vibration feeling which I find hard to describe because I can’t tell if it’s inside my body or outside lol. Bad energy to me seems to vibrate slow, low and sickening. Good energy for me vibrates fast, tingles and feels really nice. It is kind of hard to describe

I’m not sure if I had any sensitivities when I was younger but I do know that I have good visualisation skills. When I was about 11 my parents marriage was falling apart.the whole process was pretty traumatic for me. When they fought I used to take myself away. I would put my head under the blankets and visualise myself away from there. It used to get me through it. I can now still visualise myself so strongly that I can feel things like you would physically. I often wonder now if back then, my spirit was leaving my body to escape.
When I was in my 20s I often had precognitive flashes during the day and the odd night dreams which happened shortly after. No seeing spirits. I also often knew things like if I was going to get a letter from my best friend( snail mail then) or phone calls etc and little things like that. My mother used to try to trick me lol.
I went through a period where my gut feelings were very strong. Eg. my husband would be fixing something in the garage and I would wander in and watch then suddenly I would get this funny feeling. I get it when there is pain involved but it doesn’t feel like pain to me but this uncomfortable nervy feeling like when ‘someone walks over your grave’ then I get a quick picture of the tool he is using , slipping and he hurts his hand. I quietly mention that he should be careful as this or that might happen and then straight after it happens and he gets mad at me because he blames me for being there and I distracted him. What happens is exactly what I saw and knew was going to happen. I have learnt to shut up because he says I’m being pessimistic and negative and I wonder if I am lol. If I know something like that now I tend to walk away
Over the years I’ve often had strong urges to do things. I could never understand why I was thinking the way I was but acted on the urges and so glad I did. I’m sure it was spirit helping me.
My very first investigation made me realise I was empathic. I felt the emotions of a woman spirit whose 2 children had died. I knew there were 2 children and they died close together in time. I don’t know how I knew that but I just did. I believe that is how Claircognizance works. I felt so bad with this lady. I felt grief and heartbreak and it was like I had just lost my own children. It happened on the investigation and a day later at home when I was in the shower I thought of her and it made me cry.
I have investigated haunted locations for a while now and I do so spiritually and scientifically as a part of me likes verification for my own benefit. I don’t need proof of the afterlife, I know it exists. I also like researching and history too. My aim now is to try to help spirits. I am a mental health nurse in my working life but I also use this in a counselling way when interacting with spirit. I use EVP as a scientific tool but also use clairaudiency with a spirit that assists me. I believe I have helped spirits that were stuck in a spiritual existence close to the earth plane. I use visualisation to create a situation for them, I counsel and I don’t even have to be at the place because I visualise myself there. I research the history before doing this also and sometimes it’s just not one spirit that leaves, it’s a lot. It only happens with spirits that have a yearning to leave but don’t think that can. I give them a different frame of mind and I can choose something really simple like suggest that they retire from their work now and can now go fishing and enjoy their afterlife. Other times I have ‘ forgiven’ spirits for their crimes . Often the ones that leave have been tormented by other spirits and it’s hard to get the tormentors to leave because they can be downright rude and nasty. I try to deal with spirit people like I would if they were alive.
I can see them leave visually in my mind and sometimes they will leave an object for me to see. It’s something that they would have had in their physical life. It’s sort of like a sign for me that they have left and don’t need that anymore. I’ve seen shawls and money pouches lol. If I want to help someone I usually do it over a period. My assistant spirit helps me too because he speaks with them and he acts like a go between. That spirit is one that I assisted many years ago. Through him, I gain the trust of other spirits. The best time for me to do the visualisation to help them is when I first get into bed and the light is off and I take myself there by visualising. I have no distractions then.
Sorry that I have probably gone off topic but it makes me feel good to talk about it as it’s not something you can talk to anyone about and it’s worse for me as I work in Mental Health and if I doctor was to hear anyone talk about this, you would be scheduled yourself lol
 

Kurt

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I can tell when a spirit has bad energy because it will make me feel physically sick if it gets close to my energy field. I feel nauseous but the nausea doesn’t seem to come from lower stomach like if you have eaten too much, more higher up like in the bottom of my throat. I might get a headache too and feel dizzy. I also feel this funny vibration feeling which I find hard to describe because I can’t tell if it’s inside my body or outside lol. Bad energy to me seems to vibrate slow, low and sickening. Good energy for me vibrates fast, tingles and feels really nice. It is kind of hard to describe

I’m not sure if I had any sensitivities when I was younger but I do know that I have good visualisation skills. When I was about 11 my parents marriage was falling apart.the whole process was pretty traumatic for me. When they fought I used to take myself away. I would put my head under the blankets and visualise myself away from there. It used to get me through it. I can now still visualise myself so strongly that I can feel things like you would physically. I often wonder now if back then, my spirit was leaving my body to escape.
When I was in my 20s I often had precognitive flashes during the day and the odd night dreams which happened shortly after. No seeing spirits. I also often knew things like if I was going to get a letter from my best friend( snail mail then) or phone calls etc and little things like that. My mother used to try to trick me lol.
I went through a period where my gut feelings were very strong. Eg. my husband would be fixing something in the garage and I would wander in and watch then suddenly I would get this funny feeling. I get it when there is pain involved but it doesn’t feel like pain to me but this uncomfortable nervy feeling like when ‘someone walks over your grave’ then I get a quick picture of the tool he is using , slipping and he hurts his hand. I quietly mention that he should be careful as this or that might happen and then straight after it happens and he gets mad at me because he blames me for being there and I distracted him. What happens is exactly what I saw and knew was going to happen. I have learnt to shut up because he says I’m being pessimistic and negative and I wonder if I am lol. If I know something like that now I tend to walk away
Over the years I’ve often had strong urges to do things. I could never understand why I was thinking the way I was but acted on the urges and so glad I did. I’m sure it was spirit helping me.
My very first investigation made me realise I was empathic. I felt the emotions of a woman spirit whose 2 children had died. I knew there were 2 children and they died close together in time. I don’t know how I knew that but I just did. I believe that is how Claircognizance works. I felt so bad with this lady. I felt grief and heartbreak and it was like I had just lost my own children. It happened on the investigation and a day later at home when I was in the shower I thought of her and it made me cry.
I have investigated haunted locations for a while now and I do so spiritually and scientifically as a part of me likes verification for my own benefit. I don’t need proof of the afterlife, I know it exists. I also like researching and history too. My aim now is to try to help spirits. I am a mental health nurse in my working life but I also use this in a counselling way when interacting with spirit. I use EVP as a scientific tool but also use clairaudiency with a spirit that assists me. I believe I have helped spirits that were stuck in a spiritual existence close to the earth plane. I use visualisation to create a situation for them, I counsel and I don’t even have to be at the place because I visualise myself there. I research the history before doing this also and sometimes it’s just not one spirit that leaves, it’s a lot. It only happens with spirits that have a yearning to leave but don’t think that can. I give them a different frame of mind and I can choose something really simple like suggest that they retire from their work now and can now go fishing and enjoy their afterlife. Other times I have ‘ forgiven’ spirits for their crimes . Often the ones that leave have been tormented by other spirits and it’s hard to get the tormentors to leave because they can be downright rude and nasty. I try to deal with spirit people like I would if they were alive.
I can see them leave visually in my mind and sometimes they will leave an object for me to see. It’s something that they would have had in their physical life. It’s sort of like a sign for me that they have left and don’t need that anymore. I’ve seen shawls and money pouches lol. If I want to help someone I usually do it over a period. My assistant spirit helps me too because he speaks with them and he acts like a go between. That spirit is one that I assisted many years ago. Through him, I gain the trust of other spirits. The best time for me to do the visualisation to help them is when I first get into bed and the light is off and I take myself there by visualising. I have no distractions then.
Sorry that I have probably gone off topic but it makes me feel good to talk about it as it’s not something you can talk to anyone about and it’s worse for me as I work in Mental Health and if I doctor was to hear anyone talk about this, you would be scheduled yourself lol

The longer I stay here the younger I feel. We should meet up sometime so I can gauge your nausea and determine how old your soul is and thus how much time I have left.
 

Ruby

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You sound like a very dedicated mental health practitioner, Tracey. Also you must have a strong faith that all of this other unseen world is for real, because your working environment would normally hold all this to be imagination and folklore and so on. The only experience I had that would indicate mood was after looking at a tribute page to my son on a website and closing down my tablet the air was filled with a very strong, lovely perfume. It was very pleasant, but shocking, though in a good way, so I hope that would indicate something happy going on?
I'm poised half-way between belief and disbelief.
Why would spirits get stuck though? This world is all they know so it's understandable if they stay close by. I've got a bad sense of direction lol, so there's no hope for me! It sounds like a mean kids' playground out there with this talk of them being downright rude and nasty.
Can that kind of experience be avoided? People might be apprehensive on their death beds. Because I'm not a great believer, I feel quite silly typing this, but you only live once (or do you?!) I'm truly grateful to be reading of your interesting work with spirits though. If my son is there I want to know all about it.
 
You sound like a very dedicated mental health practitioner, Tracey. Also you must have a strong faith that all of this other unseen world is for real, because your working environment would normally hold all this to be imagination and folklore and so on. The only experience I had that would indicate mood was after looking at a tribute page to my son on a website and closing down my tablet the air was filled with a very strong, lovely perfume. It was very pleasant, but shocking, though in a good way, so I hope that would indicate something happy going on?
I'm poised half-way between belief and disbelief.
Why would spirits get stuck though? This world is all they know so it's understandable if they stay close by. I've got a bad sense of direction lol, so there's no hope for me! It sounds like a mean kids' playground out there with this talk of them being downright rude and nasty.
Can that kind of experience be avoided? People might be apprehensive on their death beds. Because I'm not a great believer, I feel quite silly typing this, but you only live once (or do you?!) I'm truly grateful to be reading of your interesting work with spirits though. If my son is there I want to know all about it.

Yes anything paranormal is a no no when you work in mental health. In fact, I have had pts that are deemed to have ' paranormal delusions' because they belief in the afterlife, crystals, cards, reincarnation etc etc. It is my personal belief too that people can have spirit attachments that influence them also and I remember overhearing the psychiatrists gossiping about another female doctor who looked outside the box and believed this to be a possibility. They were ridiculing her.

I only know that the afterlife is real because of my own experiences and if I ever were to trust anyone , it would be myself lol!

This is how I see it. I think that the spiritworld is all around us everyday and they go about their own spiritual lives. I think there are different planes of thought also. A lot of spirits close to the earth dimension are the ones that have energy that is not so subtle. They dont let go of earthly ideas, ways and worries. Spirits that move on freely have accepted their new spiritual existence more. Their energy is more subtle. They are not going to show they are there with poltergeist stuff if you know what I mean.
Thinking of a loved one is like calling them. They can hear you and they may come to you. They arent around you all the time if they have had a smooth transition.

Spirits communicate in the spirit world by mental telepathy and dont think you can every hide your thoughts , because you cant from spirit. That is my reason why a lot of people on ghost tours that are disbelievers, get all the action lol.

Its not like spirits get stuck....its just that their thoughts and beliefs keep them from moving on. They are their own worse enemy lol.They like to punish themselves if they think they did the wrong thing. They might feel guilt. They think they dont deserve to have anything better. The best thing you can ever do for a spirit that did the wrong thing in their life, is to forgive them and you need to say it and really feel it. It helps them move on. I think that all people, when they die, are given the opportunity to start their new spiritual life, even if they were murderers. We shouldnt be the ones to judge. They often dont forgive themselves or are afraid they are going to go to ' hell'.
Dont worry, I have a really bad sense of direction also. I get lost in shopping centres hahaha!. Im trusting that when I die, I will understand what happened to me and look for the exit door lol. Im sure someone will be their to show me the way

I have found spirit people to be exactly like they were when they were alive. They can very funny, crack jokes, tell you off, be offended, laugh....its endless. They can also be nasty individuals , just like they were when they were alive. Peoples personalities are an energy that is part of their spirit .

I also believe that animals can be soul mates too and form a spiritual bond. I have had a much loved Doberman come back to bark in my ear ( clairaudient bark) to say goodbye to me the night before I got the phone call to pick up his ashes that had taken 3 weeks to be placed in a box. I was very distraught over it and it was just a lack of communication. I think he hung around for my closure . What a good boy...love him for that !

I think Ruby, just trust yourself. You just know when something is from a spirit.

I believe you dont only live once.... I have had experiences with that also but that is another story.

Would you believe I was petrified of death before I came to the acceptance that it just isnt the end of us when we die. Not scared anymore, in fact, without sounding bizarre, Im sort of looking forward to my spirit life because there is so much you can do and create with your own thoughts.....so I am told ;-)

By the way, I never discuss anything paranormal or spiritual in my working life as a nurse. Its unethical
 
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Ruby

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It's a sign of a good conscience to feel guilty for your wrong-doings and what we as parents try to instil in our children so they can be good members of society and all that. So it feels as if it ought to be a good trait if they feel they can't move on, and these spirits should be forgiven more readily than those who would just soar upwards thinking they're right and good all the time! I think we all know people like that and they're very annoying!! Of course, not everyone gets good guidance from parents and many have a terrible start in life and go from bad to worse. But then all this is just human behaviour and doesn't of course govern the way that nature works, or might work. I have to say it's disappointing though, as we tend to hope that those who do terrible deeds will have to pay the price if not apprehended in their lifetime! I suppose that's just a religious idea.
I know exactly what you mean about how you're best to trust yourself, especially as you get older you gain that confidence. It's just that no-one yet understands the capabilities of the brain. It's that whole PSI thing again and reading experts in that field causes me to doubt what I experienced, though not enough to just dismiss it as nonsense. Certainly not! The one medium I saw worked well for me in that nothing much happened until the end when evidential information came through in a rush. Because of that I was able to remember all she said and she'd given up and had started to talk about her career. She suddenly said a strong male presence had entered the room and her demeanour completely changed which quite stunned me as I was sat there thinking why am I so gullible? Typical of my son to be late to the meeting! Anyway, amongst other things, all accurate, she said something and mimed an action which was familiar to me and afterwards on the train home I realised what it was. I just suddenly knew, as you said, what this was referring to. It's the most amazing thing, same as the instant recognition of the apparition and the voice and knowing someone was there before even looking. But it mostly all gets dismissed by science and in our society they are the ones people tend to pay attention to. However, you can tell yourself that these things are undetectable by our senses and any machines we design, which is very possible, but then people like me will think who am I to think I can detect things others cannot, so I think I'm just stuck in the middle for good!! As to what you say about patients having "paranormal delusions", you wonder why that would be such a bad thing if it helps them, it seems harmless! These medics can be arrogant!
 

Ruby

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I'm wondering what the implications of the psychomanteum are for those of us who have seen an apparition spontaneously, and tend to cherish the memory and really hope or believe it was a geniune visit from their dear departed? For those who don't know, this is a method for trying to induce an apparitional experience, as an experiment and also to help the bereaved. I think it was started by Raymond Moody. It involves the participant sitting before a type of mirror after talking with the psychologist about who it is they'd like to meet again. Apparently it is often successful and the participant comes away feeling they've met their lost loved one again. It seems to me to strongly hint that these experiences are just part of our own psychology. Yet, if so, why do people experience crisis apparitions, which are apparitions of people seen after their death and before the observer knows of the death?
 

Ruby

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I was recently at a conference and we went on a ghost tour called Haunted Plymouth. It was different from the usual walking tours where stories are told which are interesting bits and pieces of social history. The Lincoln one is excellent (led by the town crier). This one was led by a ghost hunter. As the tour progressed there were a lot of expressions of surprise amongst the group, but three of us out of maybe twenty had seen a ghost, at least one was a dramatic crisis apparition, as I found out afterwards. The group leader had seen five in his ghost hunting career, very respectful he was towards the spirit world. Some of these programmes on TV where they shout for them to come out and show themselves are awful. Anyway, someone out there must have seen a ghost, it's not so uncommon?
 

Monika

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Where i live for some reason people see so called ghosts. My colleages for example were all familiar with one who lived in old government house where we used to work. I was said that in plotters rum i might see a woman with such and such clothes and that i shall not be scared or confused because she is often there just doing her own business. The other one was often seen in the elevator but mostly after 17 oclock in the evening and later so i was told if i dont feel comfortable around "ghosts" i shall take stairs after that time instead of elevator. This building is in demolishing progress by now and i often wonder if those "ghosts" visit us in new building we work now.
Also as city is being moved to another place now many buildings are moved to new place or demolished and we go to investigate the situation of the buildings. In almost all buildings there were "ghosts" constanly living or visiting and i was told many times about them been seen by one or another person. Uncle of one of my friends met a group of people on the path in forest. Every single one in the group was his own relative. He saw them clear as we see each other. They changed few words with him and went away owning their own business. Amazing right!?
By myself a spirit in full form as human person i saw several times. When i was around 19-20 I stayed in an old house and around midnight me and my friend we went out to look for fall of the stars because it was mid august and the night sky is brilliant by that time. We went to the lake like 20 meters away from the house. His mother planned to come out so when i heard doors opened and closed and looked back and saw a person i was completely sure it was her. When we came back she was deep in sleep and next morning she said she didnt hear us leaving and didnt wake up to go out. Ever after that i felt extremely safe in that single house in the middle of forest because i knew that the man who builded it over 100 years ago was still coming up sometimes to check on it and i knew i would never be completely alone there.
In the place im currently often staying i see a lot as all other people living in that village. Most time its a fast motion, more like shadow in some cases its more in a form what human eye can easily see. Some of them are permanently there some just visiting.
 

Kurt

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Ever after that i felt extremely safe in that single house in the middle of forest because i knew that the man who builded it over 100 years ago was still coming up sometimes to check on it and i knew i would never be completely alone there.

That's heartwarming.

But will they visit in the new building? That's interesting to think about actually.

My understanding of ghosts is that they are the result of either a bulk of residual energy built up in a from a soul and is usually in a place that the soul frequented often. For example if she used the elevator every day for a few decades then it would make sense for her to be there.

On the other hand it could just be a burst of energy that is extremely potent, for example if a major tragedy occurs. It could be from one person as well if something goes horribly wrong.
 

mac

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That's heartwarming.

But will they visit in the new building? That's interesting to think about actually.

My understanding of ghosts is that they are the result of either a bulk of residual energy built up in a from a soul and is usually in a place that the soul frequented often. For example if she used the elevator every day for a few decades then it would make sense for her to be there.

On the other hand it could just be a burst of energy that is extremely potent, for example if a major tragedy occurs. It could be from one person as well if something goes horribly wrong.

Ghosts are not the same as discarnate visitors. The visitor who built the house Monika felt comfortable in is not a ghost. That man is someone who remains connected to the house he constructed and likely to the area it's in. Discarnates who choose to remain closer to the physical - or simply want to visit - do so for their personal reasons and most of us may be unaware they're around. Monika is a sensitive who can sense their presence and sometimes also psychically see them.

Ghosts can not interact or communicate whereas spirits - often (mistakenly) - described as 'earthbounds' sometimes can. Entities seen by many but who do not react or interact may be what are commonly termed 'ghosts'. For whatever reason(s) these 'shells' appear to be linked to the buildings we see but may in reality have associations with the locality rather than a structure. Demolishing a structure may prove disruptive to these shells but that's conjecture - I really have no idea.
 

Ruby

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Thanks Monika! (and Kurt!) Love the new photos of the North of Sweden on the other thread. Imagine being in an escalator with a ghost! I'd die of fright! Yes, there seems to be a difference between a shade haunting a particular place and an after death communication or deathbed vision. You cannot interact with the former type, they are unaware of your presence and I don't think they can move to the new building. If they could, that would put them in the other category of ghosts that seem to show themselves to indicate survival. Imagine if they moved to the escalator! There seems to be a big problem amongst parapsychologists that ghosts are clothed. Apparently clothing shouldn't be able to transfer like that as it has no soul or something. Maybe I haven't understood it properly.
 

Ruby

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mac, do you think these earthbound spirits are isolated and lonely? Not saying I totes believe they are all around us, but just wondered if there was any evidence in the literature. Do they meet other spirits in their wanderings?
 

Monika

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Thanks Monika! (and Kurt!) Love the new photos of the North of Sweden on the other thread. Imagine being in an escalator with a ghost! I'd die of fright! Yes, there seems to be a difference between a shade haunting a particular place and an after death communication or deathbed vision. You cannot interact with the former type, they are unaware of your presence and I don't think they can move to the new building. If they could, that would put them in the other category of ghosts that seem to show themselves to indicate survival. Imagine if they moved to the escalator! There seems to be a big problem amongst parapsychologists that ghosts are clothed. Apparently clothing shouldn't be able to transfer like that as it has no soul or something. Maybe I haven't understood it properly.
Hej Ruby :) i probably didnt make myself completely clear. My understanding of ghost is that it is compilation of energies but not an actual soul of human. Im not sure what i think of those because i never was too much interested in that. When Michel died i cried days and nights in my bedroom in deep pain and sorrow. After about 3 months i started to sleep on sofa in other room because something in my own bedroom was not right. After some time i even started to get chills, those creepy chills, whenever i just passed my room. Sometimes could feel the rush of energy like a push. That was my ghost. Nothing more than my own stagnant and concentrated saddnes, pain and sorrow. When i was strong enough one day i came to my room I thanked to that sadness sorrow and pain for being with me for a while and i asked that energy to be cleaned and transformed into love and calmness. Thats all. That night i felt completely fine in my room. My ghost was away :) i of course learned to feel this and clean up a bit earlier. Sometimes i even need to clean after friends visiting me because they forget to take their ghosts away with them :)
In previous text wherever i used "ghost" i refered to soul. Human soul.
 

mac

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mac, do you think these earthbound spirits are isolated and lonely? Not saying I totes believe they are all around us, but just wondered if there was any evidence in the literature. Do they meet other spirits in their wanderings?

I don't know, Monika. o_O

My best guess is that some may be isolated and/or lonely because for whatever reason they haven't completed their transition from incarnate to discarnate life and may be 'wandering around' in a something-inbetween state.

Others, I expect, will have chosen to do what they do and are happy being by themselves if that's their choice. As I see things they'll be aware of others and able to interact with them if they choose to. It's really down to personal choice. :)
 

Ruby

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Thanks mac, it sounds awful. You'd think the transition would happen naturally, but is this something I've missed and is it the case that by being more "spiritual" we can make sure a good transition happens for us?

Monika, that's so interesting: a compilation of energies representing your own sadness, pain and sorrow, as you say. You are very perceptive.
 

Kurt

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One of the more flat out terrifying moments of my life comes from when I was living on Hickim AFB (this was back before a pandering butterbar renamed the place and switched signs statewide merging the base with pearl harbor for a promotion so it was actually called Hickam USAFB) and for some history it is a Air Force Base connected to Pearl Harbor, which was attacked on 12-07-1941 bringing the US into WW2.

The reason this is relevant is because you can still see bullets in buildings and unexploded munitions in the water. It's amazing and I hope it doesn't get removed to be honest... (Cue :mad: at kitchen psych. Trying to make everything "safe" by taking a sledgehammer to it)

The point is that we have a whole lot of ghosts all over in the historic neighborhoods. In mine there were 2 of them in my house and my neighbors house and theey might have actually been the same guy.

What's interesting is that these 2 were actually intelligent but in a limited, one dimensional capacity. One would lock onto you and sort of speedwalk over agressively and the other would hide in rooms and panic When I was around nine or so I took out the trash and saw the damn thing. It was about 5'10 or 6'0, very skinny and walked very fast. It had a Bowie knife and no face as odd as that seems. At first I was shocked and it kept coming. After it gained 200 feet on me and it was moving about 5 miles and hour. I move that fast right now. Fortunately for me I was 10 times faster at that age so I turned around and ran all the way up to my parents bedroom where the lights were on and the doors were open but no one was there and I felt a lot of energy behind me. I heard my dog barking downstairs and I ran back outside because... Genetics? I'm a male? Idk. It was gone.... Completely gone...

I went back inside. I ran back inside fast as possible and everyone was there again, the house felt 10 degrees colder so it was back to normal temp. and my father walked around outside and so did my neighbor to make sure there wasn't a lunatic. (Eventually about 5 men were doing so but they all went back inside. I do believe someone was attacked that night across the neighborhood so everyone was wondering what the heck was going on).

The second was a hell of a lot more benevolent and he was a soldier that haunted my neighbors house and would have a absolute bonkers chimpout in the laundry room at night talking about artillery shells and telling him "get down soldier!!!" "The f****** Japs are bombing us" and "f*** there are bullets everywhere!!" He was at least somewhat communicate and if you tried to talk he could say a little bit about himself, mainly that he came out to paradise but not for this and would disappear quite soon. Over time they actually grew used to him. But his wife was terrified of it and their kids could not go in there after the evening or nightfall.

My guess is that the laundry machines (they would move violently and make plenty of noise) would enrage him a bit and he was obviously a soldier who probably died in the war.

The one who locked onto me I have no clue. Perhaps I have enough esp to sort of see the world through its eyes? The entire plane was lifeless and 10 degrees warmer than here. Completely quiet and perfectly silent. I think my stepmom had bad dreams about the ghost and would go hysterical. I for one saw shadows move unprovoked about twice when I was there in that house and the place had lots of negative energy.

My neighbors ghost was... A ghost.

What was mine? An evil one? Roberta has said before that evil spirits do exist. I wouldn't want to call it a demon simply because I don't think a being as high as a demon would be petty enough to randomly haunt women and children for kicks.

But on the most basic pretense that it was a evil (aka, severely terrifying and unwanted) belligerent and disembodied spirit that scared everyone I guess it was.

@mac @Ruby @Monika do you guys have any thoughts?
 
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Kurt

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The only thing close to a ghost I had dealings with after that wasn't even me. I was at a ranch where a kid was murdered In the 90s and you could see him in the room he was killed in staring at everyone in a envious yet sad kind of way. I had friends who saw him but never could myself. J think someone tried to exorcise him but I never really believed in exorcism. It seems like a welcome comedy show for a ghost. I'd actually try to Provoke them if I were back on that plane again.
 

Ruby

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You were living in a place which had stored up a lot of trauma and you've remembered your strange experiences in great detail over many years. No wonder!
Another question : What about teenage girls in Catholic countries who claim to see visions of the Virgin Mary? Sometimes these can be shared experiences. These cases suggest religious fervour but can be used by sceptics to explain away all sightings of apparitions as hallucinations. I know this because the last time I saw this particular friend she really annoyed me by claiming this, and I'm seeing her again on Saturday. Anyone know a cool counter argument?
 

Kurt

Major Contributor
You were living in a place which had stored up a lot of trauma and you've remembered your strange experiences in great detail over many years. No wonder!
Another question : What about teenage girls in Catholic countries who claim to see visions of the Virgin Mary? Sometimes these can be shared experiences. These cases suggest religious fervour but can be used by sceptics to explain away all sightings of apparitions as hallucinations. I know this because the last time I saw this particular friend she really annoyed me by claiming this, and I'm seeing her again on Saturday. Anyone know a cool counter argument?
@mac @RobertaGrimes @genewardsmith especially would be great for this topic.

I personally always regarded Abrahamic Faith's as a major factor in deevolution and simply dismiss them all for being a bit odd but this would not work out in the conversation I fear.
 

Kurt

Major Contributor
You were living in a place which had stored up a lot of trauma and you've remembered your strange experiences in great detail over many years. No wonder!
Another question : What about teenage girls in Catholic countries who claim to see visions of the Virgin Mary? Sometimes these can be shared experiences. These cases suggest religious fervour but can be used by sceptics to explain away all sightings of apparitions as hallucinations. I know this because the last time I saw this particular friend she really annoyed me by claiming this, and I'm seeing her again on Saturday. Anyone know a cool counter argument?

@Ruby

Here's the best way I can explain it.

Id say it's different because they are young children surrounded by religious fanatics from the day they are born and are cultivated in this environment where they can "talk to god" and "see Jesus in person" if they pray hard enough and if they do these things they are rewarded lavishly so inevitably one girl will do it and become cool. The others follow suit and the fervor starts.

People in spiritualism however are few and far between and have these experiences regardless of outside influence.

(I mainly take issue with religion for deliberately cultivating self hate,w and infantilizing everything but this could work for your argument.)
 

Kurt

Major Contributor
Girls can "group faint" and so on.
Wow. It's like the Khlysty almost. It's interesting because there are extremely religious people who act normal but when they reach their places of worship they act like radio static.
 

mac

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Thanks mac, it sounds awful. You'd think the transition would happen naturally, but is this something I've missed and is it the case that by being more "spiritual" we can make sure a good transition happens for us?

Monika, that's so interesting: a compilation of energies representing your own sadness, pain and sorrow, as you say. You are very perceptive.
The majority of transitions probably are natural and easy. My view is that comparatively few 'get lost'. Certainly your personal transition can not be impaired by 'being good' or being more spiritual, whatever that means. :)
 

mac

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One of the more flat out terrifying moments of my life comes from when I was living on Hickim AFB (this was back before a pandering butterbar renamed the place and switched signs statewide merging the base with pearl harbor for a promotion so it was actually called Hickam USAFB) and for some history it is a Air Force Base connected to Pearl Harbor, which was attacked on 12-07-1941 bringing the US into WW2.

The reason this is relevant is because you can still see bullets in buildings and unexploded munitions in the water. It's amazing and I hope it doesn't get removed to be honest... (Cue :mad: at kitchen psych. Trying to make everything "safe" by taking a sledgehammer to it)

The point is that we have a whole lot of ghosts all over in the historic neighborhoods. In mine there were 2 of them in my house and my neighbors house and theey might have actually been the same guy.

What's interesting is that these 2 were actually intelligent but in a limited, one dimensional capacity. One would lock onto you and sort of speedwalk over agressively and the other would hide in rooms and panic When I was around nine or so I took out the trash and saw the damn thing. It was about 5'10 or 6'0, very skinny and walked very fast. It had a Bowie knife and no face as odd as that seems. At first I was shocked and it kept coming. After it gained 200 feet on me and it was moving about 5 miles and hour. I move that fast right now. Fortunately for me I was 10 times faster at that age so I turned around and ran all the way up to my parents bedroom where the lights were on and the doors were open but no one was there and I felt a lot of energy behind me. I heard my dog barking downstairs and I ran back outside because... Genetics? I'm a male? Idk. It was gone.... Completely gone...

I went back inside. I ran back inside fast as possible and everyone was there again, the house felt 10 degrees colder so it was back to normal temp. and my father walked around outside and so did my neighbor to make sure there wasn't a lunatic. (Eventually about 5 men were doing so but they all went back inside. I do believe someone was attacked that night across the neighborhood so everyone was wondering what the heck was going on).

The second was a hell of a lot more benevolent and he was a soldier that haunted my neighbors house and would have a absolute bonkers chimpout in the laundry room at night talking about artillery shells and telling him "get down soldier!!!" "The f****** Japs are bombing us" and "f*** there are bullets everywhere!!" He was at least somewhat communicate and if you tried to talk he could say a little bit about himself, mainly that he came out to paradise but not for this and would disappear quite soon. Over time they actually grew used to him. But his wife was terrified of it and their kids could not go in there after the evening or nightfall.

My guess is that the laundry machines (they would move violently and make plenty of noise) would enrage him a bit and he was obviously a soldier who probably died in the war.

The one who locked onto me I have no clue. Perhaps I have enough esp to sort of see the world through its eyes? The entire plane was lifeless and 10 degrees warmer than here. Completely quiet and perfectly silent. I think my stepmom had bad dreams about the ghost and would go hysterical. I for one saw shadows move unprovoked about twice when I was there in that house and the place had lots of negative energy.

My neighbors ghost was... A ghost.

What was mine? An evil one? Roberta has said before that evil spirits do exist. I wouldn't want to call it a demon simply because I don't think a being as high as a demon would be petty enough to randomly haunt women and children for kicks.

But on the most basic pretense that it was a evil (aka, severely terrifying and unwanted) belligerent and disembodied spirit that scared everyone I guess it was.

@mac @Ruby @Monika do you guys have any thoughts?

I'll pass, Kurt. Interpreting isn't my strong point.
 

Monika

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One of the more flat out terrifying moments of my life comes from when I was living on Hickim AFB (this was back before a pandering butterbar renamed the place and switched signs statewide merging the base with pearl harbor for a promotion so it was actually called Hickam USAFB) and for some history it is a Air Force Base connected to Pearl Harbor, which was attacked on 12-07-1941 bringing the US into WW2.

The reason this is relevant is because you can still see bullets in buildings and unexploded munitions in the water. It's amazing and I hope it doesn't get removed to be honest... (Cue :mad: at kitchen psych. Trying to make everything "safe" by taking a sledgehammer to it)

The point is that we have a whole lot of ghosts all over in the historic neighborhoods. In mine there were 2 of them in my house and my neighbors house and theey might have actually been the same guy.

What's interesting is that these 2 were actually intelligent but in a limited, one dimensional capacity. One would lock onto you and sort of speedwalk over agressively and the other would hide in rooms and panic When I was around nine or so I took out the trash and saw the damn thing. It was about 5'10 or 6'0, very skinny and walked very fast. It had a Bowie knife and no face as odd as that seems. At first I was shocked and it kept coming. After it gained 200 feet on me and it was moving about 5 miles and hour. I move that fast right now. Fortunately for me I was 10 times faster at that age so I turned around and ran all the way up to my parents bedroom where the lights were on and the doors were open but no one was there and I felt a lot of energy behind me. I heard my dog barking downstairs and I ran back outside because... Genetics? I'm a male? Idk. It was gone.... Completely gone...

I went back inside. I ran back inside fast as possible and everyone was there again, the house felt 10 degrees colder so it was back to normal temp. and my father walked around outside and so did my neighbor to make sure there wasn't a lunatic. (Eventually about 5 men were doing so but they all went back inside. I do believe someone was attacked that night across the neighborhood so everyone was wondering what the heck was going on).

The second was a hell of a lot more benevolent and he was a soldier that haunted my neighbors house and would have a absolute bonkers chimpout in the laundry room at night talking about artillery shells and telling him "get down soldier!!!" "The f****** Japs are bombing us" and "f*** there are bullets everywhere!!" He was at least somewhat communicate and if you tried to talk he could say a little bit about himself, mainly that he came out to paradise but not for this and would disappear quite soon. Over time they actually grew used to him. But his wife was terrified of it and their kids could not go in there after the evening or nightfall.

My guess is that the laundry machines (they would move violently and make plenty of noise) would enrage him a bit and he was obviously a soldier who probably died in the war.

The one who locked onto me I have no clue. Perhaps I have enough esp to sort of see the world through its eyes? The entire plane was lifeless and 10 degrees warmer than here. Completely quiet and perfectly silent. I think my stepmom had bad dreams about the ghost and would go hysterical. I for one saw shadows move unprovoked about twice when I was there in that house and the place had lots of negative energy.

My neighbors ghost was... A ghost.

What was mine? An evil one? Roberta has said before that evil spirits do exist. I wouldn't want to call it a demon simply because I don't think a being as high as a demon would be petty enough to randomly haunt women and children for kicks.

But on the most basic pretense that it was a evil (aka, severely terrifying and unwanted) belligerent and disembodied spirit that scared everyone I guess it was.

@mac @Ruby @Monika do you guys have any thoughts?
I really can't say much because i never felt any soul as negative. If they do egsist maybe they just never crossed my path or i didn't really feel them same like i never met really evil or mean people in my life. I never lived in places like you describe. Also it depends a lot from perception and reaction of our own i guess. I think everything what we don't know, what we experience for the first time, scares us to some level. And then you know how it goes, hear the sound, let fear in and snowball affect comes. And if there is really some soul meaning bad so probably our fear would make them just more keen to tease us. I don't really know. Thats just my thoughts.
 

jobun

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I'm not sure if my experience was an apparition per se but it was definitely something....
I was away on business in CT. My SIL and I went to a restaurant that was converted from an old home. the story is that some children had died in the home, and one of the rooms is always cold (the bedroom where they passed on). So after we ate dinner, we explored the restaurant, and went into the cold room. It was a little creepy in there, since both of us are a little sensitive. so we left the room pretty quickly. That night while I was asleep, I felt my blanket being pulled off of me from the foot of the bed. I opened my eyes and saw a black mass at the end of the bed, and I distinctly heard the sound of children laughing in my ear. It was around 4AM and it scared me a little, I think I even yelled out in my 1/2 sleep state. I don't know if it was the children playing tricks with me but it was startling and it has stayed with me. This happened about 8 - 10 years ago and I remember it clear as day.
 

Ruby

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Oh no! I picked up a book in a waiting room this morning and didn't have time to notice the title or author as my appointment was imminent but it was about the mind. One case I happened to read about was of a man who had continual hallucinations in the lower part of his vision and above the midline life was continuing as normal! He had damaged his head in a car crash. In the piece he was saying to the doc that he knew the doctor didn't have a monkey in his lap but that's exactly how it appeared to him. The book had a no nonsense, down to earth medical approach, as you might guess. How does this square with apparitions? Is any of it really real? And yet, what does it indicate when apparitions are shared and can be seen correctly positioned in space from the vantage point of each? It's a very good question. Impossible to answer and very frustrating.
 

Ruby

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I'm hardly the "Brain of Britain" (there's a UK radio quiz of that title) but after my above crisis I looked up DOPS as I've done before. (Division of Perceptual Studies at the University of Virginia). They have posted a number of videos to their website, hosted by British comedian, John Cleese, which you can watch if you scroll to the foot, and they're very enjoyable and interesting. I had still to see the ones with Prof E Kelly, which I watched on Saturday. He states, if I remember correctly, that people who have mystical experiences get "dismissed or pathologised". I like hearing about their years of research and how they believe they have the evidence that psi is real, although mainstream science doesn't recognise it. I think I have developed a real need to believe in it all, having experienced it. My life is so much better after the strange happenings and reading everything I can find on the subject, so I have to keep reading as it's easy to find yourself back in the mainstream view with material science. I just obviously prefer to believe my child lives on in another plane of existence somewhere. It makes a huge difference to the burden of grief felt by a mother. I can't possibly determine what's right and what's wrong, but experience of the "supernatural" makes a big difference. Folk like me must spend the rest of their lives in this undecided state, I now realise! Anyway, do watch the videos.
 

mac

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I'm hardly the "Brain of Britain" (there's a UK radio quiz of that title) but after my above crisis I looked up DOPS as I've done before. (Division of Perceptual Studies at the University of Virginia). They have posted a number of videos to their website, hosted by British comedian, John Cleese, which you can watch if you scroll to the foot, and they're very enjoyable and interesting. I had still to see the ones with Prof E Kelly, which I watched on Saturday. He states, if I remember correctly, that people who have mystical experiences get "dismissed or pathologised". I like hearing about their years of research and how they believe they have the evidence that psi is real, although mainstream science doesn't recognise it. I think I have developed a real need to believe in it all, having experienced it. My life is so much better after the strange happenings and reading everything I can find on the subject, so I have to keep reading as it's easy to find yourself back in the mainstream view with material science. I just obviously prefer to believe my child lives on in another plane of existence somewhere. It makes a huge difference to the burden of grief felt by a mother. I can't possibly determine what's right and what's wrong, but experience of the "supernatural" makes a big difference. Folk like me must spend the rest of their lives in this undecided state, I now realise! Anyway, do watch the videos.

I think you're probably right, Ruby, in your last-but-one sentence. Individuals who have lost loved ones encountering folk like me and others who have no doubts about survival but unable to feel convinced for themselves about what they see and hear.

I wish I had a way to help you become persuaded. :(
 

Ruby

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Thanks mac. I'm much happier now having had the experiences and all the reading. There are many things in life that are uncertain anyway (Brexit!) This is just another.
 

mac

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Thanks mac. I'm much happier now having had the experiences and all the reading. There are many things in life that are uncertain anyway (Brexit!) This is just another.
A glass half-full rather than half-empty - I like it. :)
 

bluebird

Major Contributor
I have seen a few things; as far as I can recall, all were at my grandmother's house. The most awesome (in the true sense of the word) and terrifying was one evening when I looked out through the bedroom doorway (the door was open) and saw a glowing figure of light towards the other end of the (not very long) hallway. My grandmother, my sister, and I, were all sleeping in the same bedroom. They were asleep, I definitely was not. The figure was basically the size and shape of a tall human, though if it had arms and legs then its arms were at its sides and its legs were together. It was kind of a yellowish color, the light of which it was apparently made -- definitely not white. Not a sickly yellow, or a banana peel yellow, not as yellow as that, just sort of a pale-ish, glowing yellow. There was no natural explanation -- it wasn't light coming through a window, and no lights were on in the house. It was SOLID light, not see-through at all. It was very bright, but it didn't hurt my eyes to look at it, and it didn't illuminate its surroundings at all. It scared the crap out of me, to the point that I woke up my sister, climbed into bed with her, and told her I'd explain in the morning (this, on a hot summer night with no air conditioning, and I hate being hot, but I couldn't stay where I could still see this thing). This thing didn't seem malevolent; I don't know what it was, or why it was there. Never saw it again.

Both my sister and I saw other things in that same house -- shadow figures, 2D images of people in color, other weird stuff. Other family members also saw and heard things over the years.
 

mac

Administrator
You can kinda understand that one reason our friends (mostly) unseen don't often make an appearance might be that they're made aware by their helpers that doing so could scare the crap out of just about anyone - even those they want to show their survival to!

We're hard-wired to react to frightening situations and wouldn't we all be pretty damned alarmed if we saw the figure of an unknown individual in our home? A real, solid recognisably human would be terrifying and we would feel threatened. A real-but-not-solid individual who's glowing and not a recognisable human would be even more frightening for most of us I'd guess. I am still tickled to this day when I think of a former friend who was a psychic/medium but was frightened of being in the dark by herself, presumably in case she saw a figure.

Given that basic communication with us in this world can be hard enough for a discarnate just imagine how much more difficult it might be to fabricate a clear, detailed solid form of oneself. Full-form materialisation wasn't commonplace even in the heyday of communication many decades ago. My guess is that in those times guides, teachers and helpers were involved in a massive push to communicate the simple message of survival. They succeeded wonderfully well in communicating through mediums but even with all that effort being made, full-form materialisation wasn't commonplace. More than now but still not much.
 

Ruby

Significant Contributor
I wonder why some buildings have a lot of ghostly activity like bluebird's house and others of similar age have none? The accepted notion is that bad things have happened in "haunted" places, but many buildings must have witnessed events just as ghastly and no ghostly activity is seen in them.
 

bluebird

Major Contributor
Ruby,

My mother's family was not the happiest, so maybe that allowed for certain things to show themselves, or possibly even attracted things to that house -- I don't know, but it's one possibility.

If anyone has seen anything similar to the light-being thing I described, I'd really like to hear/read about it. The event I described took place some 35-40 or so years ago, and I'm still befuddled by it. I have no idea what that thing was.
 

Ruby

Significant Contributor
bluebird, in Leslie Kean's 2017 book "Surviving Death" she featured Jeffrey Kane, who had written a book called "Life as a Novice" after the death of his son. He sees "a golden, oval ball of light about twelve inches wide by eighteen inches high, suspended in the air six or seven feet away" from where he was sitting. He went to a medium several months later who told him he'd seen him as this light. I have this book at home and went to consult it because I'd remembered that description which sounds similar to the colour you mention. The thing you saw of course was much bigger. Incidentally, it doesn't convert him to any firm afterlife belief, though he had many amazing signs detailed in the book.
 

mac

Administrator
Ruby,

My mother's family was not the happiest, so maybe that allowed for certain things to show themselves, or possibly even attracted things to that house -- I don't know, but it's one possibility.

If anyone has seen anything similar to the light-being thing I described, I'd really like to hear/read about it. The event I described took place some 35-40 or so years ago, and I'm still befuddled by it. I have no idea what that thing was.

I can't relate to seeing the apparition you saw, bb, but I have a thought or two why he - or she - might have been there. The location, the house, is probably of no significance. What you've indicated about your mother's family most likely IS.

Mikey explains many events and occurrences as down to 'energy' and the energy of an unsettled/unhappy incarnate is something a discarnate may be attracted to. The potential reasons range from a concerned 'dead' family member wanting to help thru to a mischief-maker using that energy to tease, upset or frighten someone. Or it might be used just to enable a discarnate to draw near to the earth dimension without any particular intention, kinda out of curiosity about what would be experienced.
Alternatively their reason might be a burning desire to again get involved with this earth and its inhabitants.
 

bluebird

Major Contributor
bluebird, in Leslie Kean's 2017 book "Surviving Death" she featured Jeffrey Kane, who had written a book called "Life as a Novice" after the death of his son. He sees "a golden, oval ball of light about twelve inches wide by eighteen inches high, suspended in the air six or seven feet away" from where he was sitting. He went to a medium several months later who told him he'd seen him as this light. I have this book at home and went to consult it because I'd remembered that description which sounds similar to the colour you mention. The thing you saw of course was much bigger. Incidentally, it doesn't convert him to any firm afterlife belief, though he had many amazing signs detailed in the book.

Thank you, Ruby. That sounds a lot like ball lighting, which I've actually seen once in my life too. I'm not saying that is what he saw, it just made me think of it.
 

bluebird

Major Contributor
I can't relate to seeing the apparition you saw, bb, but I have a thought or two why he - or she - might have been there. The location, the house, is probably of no significance. What you've indicated about your mother's family most likely IS.

Mikey explains many events and occurrences as down to 'energy' and the energy of an unsettled/unhappy incarnate is something a discarnate may be attracted to. The potential reasons range from a concerned 'dead' family member wanting to help thru to a mischief-maker using that energy to tease, upset or frighten someone. Or it might be used just to enable a discarnate to draw near to the earth dimension without any particular intention, kinda out of curiosity about what would be experienced.
Alternatively their reason might be a burning desire to again get involved with this earth and its inhabitants.

Quite possibly, mac. Insofar as I got any "feeling" or impression from the being or whatever it was, though, I don't think it was a dead loved one or family member. I honestly don't think it was ever human. As I mentioned, although I was terrified, I didn't feel malevolence from it; I didn't really feel benevolence either. It is truly a mystery to me.
 

mac

Administrator
Quite possibly, mac. Insofar as I got any "feeling" or impression from the being or whatever it was, though, I don't think it was a dead loved one or family member. I honestly don't think it was ever human. As I mentioned, although I was terrified, I didn't feel malevolence from it; I didn't really feel benevolence either. It is truly a mystery to me.

I was just guessing, bb, based on what little I know. The effect of your visitor appearing that way is understandable and there is no way of my knowing who it was or what its reason for appearing was either. That you got no feeling of either benevolence or malevolence may - but may not - be significant.

What you saw, how you felt, may not have had any linkage to what the visitor intended. That visitor may not ever have been human but equally - or perhaps more likely - is that it did used to be. But whatever you witnessed still may not have had any relevance to you personally or your family, just a random discarnate using the energy it stumbled on for no particular purpose.
 

bluebird

Major Contributor
I was just guessing, bb, based on what little I know. The effect of your visitor appearing that way is understandable and there is no way of my knowing who it was or what its reason for appearing was either. That you got no feeling of either benevolence or malevolence may - but may not - be significant.

What you saw, how you felt, may not have had any linkage to what the visitor intended. That visitor may not ever have been human but equally - or perhaps more likely - is that it did used to be. But whatever you witnessed still may not have had any relevance to you personally or your family, just a random discarnate using the energy it stumbled on for no particular purpose.

Agreed. If anything, I kind of got the feeling that it was simply observing. Well, if there is an afterlife, maybe I'll find out what it was once I get there. ;)
 

mac

Administrator
Agreed. If anything, I kind of got the feeling that it was simply observing. Well, if there is an afterlife, maybe I'll find out what it was once I get there. ;)

On that final point, bb, it's what I'm feeling increasingly nowadays as this old fart enters the last fourth/quarter of his lifetime. At best it's the last quarter - it could be a much smaller fraction than that! :D ;)
 

Ruby

Significant Contributor
I had the sudden thought this morning that if apparitions are merely hallucinations of the mind, then why would it be common for them to be of only part of a body? For example, mine was of the body from the upper chest down; no face. You'd think the face would be the main point of the mind wishing to conjure up an image of the deceased. Instead, the head area was this massive, slightly swirling blackness, with density and depth, as if there was something inside it.
 

Ruby

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I was interested to see if anyone had any insight into my last post yesterday and was looking at the list of threads. I noticed that one person, presumably Baob, had viewed it, and the number of views was now 3,263. Yesterday was my birthday - 26.3! I never know what to make of these things, but thanks to Baob for giving me the opportunity to say thanks to my dear deceased!
 

baob

Active Member
Hi Ruby,
You are welcome! Happy birthday! I gave you the "like" because what you said makes sense. Your loved one is living in different dimension from ours, so only part of it can reflect in our earth. If you see a perfect image, you probably need to be doubted. I wish I can have this experience.
 

Ruby

Significant Contributor
Thanks Baob, it's actually terrifying. Dead people are not supposed to be! I still feel nervous in the dark. Terrifying, but thrilling!
 

baob

Active Member
Thanks Baob, it's actually terrifying. Dead people are not supposed to be! I still feel nervous in the dark. Terrifying, but thrilling!
Leslie Kean on her book "Surviving Death" described her experience: "This figure was right next o my bed!....I could see the shape of a head, and the body was like a dark cloak----no arms or legs, just a cloaked form. I stared, and the head was slightly lighter in tone than the darker, rounded body underneath, I couldn't see any features of the face but I felt it to be male. The lower part was blocked by the bed, in a dark space. The figure seemed full-size, and I saw clearly in the moonlight that it blocked out the picture on the wall behind it. It was so close, I could have sat up and touched it." "But I lay there without moving, fixated on it. Somehow I knew it wasn't going to hurt me. Then it registered that this was not a normal person. My fear increased. As I felt the fear, the form began to slowly dissolve." She suspected the apparition might be her brother who died many years ago because that night she was sleeping in his room.
 

Ruby

Significant Contributor
That's a coincidence because her book is the only one I have bought, everything else I've found online! I read it avidly when I got my mitts on it, and when I read the excerpt you've quoted above I was beside myself, because she sounds a sensible, measured sort, and I thought, aside from the fact she has a book to sell, she is an investigative journalist!
I also was pleased to see that she found the experience frightening, because people have said to me that it must have been very comforting, which I remember is along the lines of what one of her contributors says is what people say to him when he relates his experience, and he finds that patronising, which I do too!
Okay, after the event it was great to look back on and consider the implications; death has lost it's sting and so on, but at the time, it certainly wasn't.
Another thing is that I hid under the covers and had the strangest night; like passing out cold and woke up in the same position still under the covers. Normally I'm a poor sleeper and get up several times, lie awake and feel hours are passing. Even as a child reading under the covers with a torch I had to poke my head up for air. I didn't spend all night like that. Yet it was February and when I awoke it was daylight and 8.30am!
Thanks for reminding me of it. The weirdest part is I've been lying on the couch here this morning. I haven't slept because I have a stomach bug, and thinking about getting the book off the shelf to have another read of it!!
 
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