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Ben’s Mum

Occasional Contributor
They CAN all be seen as real, of course. ;)

Reaching that point of acceptance, though, depends on one's level of understanding and first one needs to accept that we do survive death and that we do live on in a different plane of existence. Otherwise discussions about what's 'real' or not are academic.
I don’t disagree Mac.
 

BruceAdama

Occasional Contributor
Okay… I’ve thought about this, and the best answer(s) I can give to bluebird’s question about what I’d want after death, if I can’t have the physical existence I want is probably this…

I’d probably first ask if it’s possible for me to be sent to one of the lower realms… whatever most closely matches the Earth realm. I’d probably feel comfortable there. If that’s not an option, I’d probably then choose to simply remain here, Earthbound, where I can explore the Earth and this physical universe as I please, without the restrictions of a human body, although, admittedly, the physical body is one of the trappings I was hoping to keep, in some form or another. But the benefit of immortality kind of offsets that, as I’m sure at some point, humanity will find a way to transfer consciousness from one body to another… I’d just wait.

I’ve made a lot of talk here about material things I want, like a house, or a car, whatever. But in my own thread, I’ve repeatedly stated that the one thing I want above all else in the afterlife, is to be married. Again, it’s been said that’s not possible there. But, again… if I can’t have that one thing at the least, then I genuinely have NO desire to exist in that realm, and have NO desire to have anything to do with God, or whatever you want to call that force. I wish to be wholly independent of it and it’s influence or control.
 

bluebird

Significant Contributor
Bruce,

All of that seems reasonable to me. I hope you can get what you want.

As far as being married -- I haven't read/heard that it's not possible in the afterlife, but I can tell you that if we do have -- and retain -- free will, then my husband and I will still be together as husband and wife in the afterlife, if there is one. So I don't see why you couldn't be married there, should you and someone else want and choose to do so.

That said -- why can't you be married in this life? I'm not sure if you're unmarried now and don't think you will ever be married in this life and so want to get married in the afterlife, or if you are married now or plan to be and are saying that you want that marriage to continue once in the afterlife....
In any case, even if you aren't married now, that doesn't mean you never will be in this life. I didn't meet my husband until I was in my early 30s, and we were together for nearly 13 years before we got married. I really never dated anyone before I met him, and I never slept with anyone else. So I'm saying that it is possible to meet the right person for you at any age, at any time.
 

BruceAdama

Occasional Contributor
@bluebird, all I’ll say about the marriage thing here is that the clock is ticking. As I’ve been saying a lot here recently, I recall it being mentioned in earlier posts by other authors, that supposedly nobody is “given” in marriage in the afterlife as they are here. So, again… that’s something I can’t abide.

I want my free will intact. I want the kind of existence I want. I want the things and life I want.

From what I can gather, once we cross over, our free will is gone. As I’ve said in my own thread, I think that’s a mechanism put in place by God so that it can avoid any accountability, or avoid being called out on anything. IMO, it’s an act of outright cowardice. Then again, if I’d caused as much suffering and pain as God has, I’d probably want to cower away, too. I suppose yet another option for me might be to see if I could somehow become emancipated from God’s influence and realms… just be on my own. I mean, he’s done it before for an angel that didn’t agree with him…
 

mac

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When I get back from a few days camping and can type on my laptop instead of pecking at this minuscule phone screen I'll have a few thoughts to offer. I know my ideas will not be considered but I'll offer 'em anyway because they may appeal to others. ;).
 

bluebird

Significant Contributor
@bluebird, all I’ll say about the marriage thing here is that the clock is ticking. As I’ve been saying a lot here recently, I recall it being mentioned in earlier posts by other authors, that supposedly nobody is “given” in marriage in the afterlife as they are here. So, again… that’s something I can’t abide.

I want my free will intact. I want the kind of existence I want. I want the things and life I want.

From what I can gather, once we cross over, our free will is gone. As I’ve said in my own thread, I think that’s a mechanism put in place by God so that it can avoid any accountability, or avoid being called out on anything. IMO, it’s an act of outright cowardice. Then again, if I’d caused as much suffering and pain as God has, I’d probably want to cower away, too. I suppose yet another option for me might be to see if I could somehow become emancipated from God’s influence and realms… just be on my own. I mean, he’s done it before for an angel that didn’t agree with him…

No one needs to be "given" in marriage -- two people are married if they feel that they are. How anyone else feels about it is irrelevant.

I don't know if there is an afterlife, but nothing I have read on the matter indicates that once we die and go there we lose our free will. That concept makes no sense to me -- why would we have free will while enclosed in human bodies, but not have free will once our souls have been freed from such physical constraint? Free will is a matter of the soul, not the body.
 

BruceAdama

Occasional Contributor
Well, if we kept our free will after death, it’d mean that we can do, say, think or feel pretty much whatever we want… even outwardly criticizing God (or whatever you want to call the great force)… which is something we know isn’t possible to do there.
 

bluebird

Significant Contributor
Well, if we kept our free will after death, it’d mean that we can do, say, think or feel pretty much whatever we want… even outwardly criticizing God (or whatever you want to call the great force)… which is something we know isn’t possible to do there.

That is absolutely not something I "know" isn't possible to do there. Again, this is all somewhat theoretical to me, but from what I've read I gather that god, if there is one, does not disallow criticism of it. If there is a god and that god created and/or "runs" the universe, I'm sure it can handle some criticism!

If there is an afterlife, and if we do keep our free will after death (which I believe we do, if an afterlife does exist), then it is my belief that we absolutely can say and think exactly what we want, whatever we want. Whether we can do whatever we want may be limited to not being allowed to do things which would be harmful to others, if that is even possible there, but otherwise I think we can do whatever we want as well.

Where did you see/hear/read that no criticism of god is allowed in the afterlife?
 

BruceAdama

Occasional Contributor
I haven’t read it anywhere… but he didn’t seem to take criticism from Lucifer when he disagreed with him… he kinda overreacted. mac has said that I won’t be able to confront God, or hold it accountable when I die. To me, that indicates that God is a coward, and won’t own up to its faults. It won’t accept criticism or responsibility. And it has been said that free will is part of the incarnate experience. Removing that upon death ensures God avoids accountability for anything. It can’t be challenged. BUT… if you can direct me to a source or account that states we DO keep our free will in the afterlife, I’m listening.
 
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