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Why the after life probably isn't true as far as I can tell.

Discussion in 'General Afterlife Discussions' started by Club Tropicana, Sep 30, 2017.

  1. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    That's one I've always liked. :)
     
  2. bluebird

    bluebird Well-Known Member

    In my opinion, the happy events in the world are not enough to outweigh the horrible ones (certainly on a global scale, and sometimes/often in individual lives as well). If there is a beforelife/afterlife, if it is an always-joyful place where we are with our loved ones as much as we want to be, and if I did actually make a choice to leave it temporarily in order to come to this planet/existence, then I made a huge mistake.
     
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  3. DenverGuy

    DenverGuy Active Member

    I agree. I'm glad that people are experiencing great things in their lives. A friend of mine and his wife just got back from Costa Rica and they had a terrific time. I am happy for them. But that doesn't do much for me. The possibility of me and my girlfriend even going to Costco (which she loved) is right at zero. The "fun and enjoyment switch" in my life has been turned off. That doesn't affect anyone else, nor should it. I hope that people enjoy their lives.
    It's just my opinion, but I hope that our forever existence isn't marked by an endless cycle of reincarnations. Some people are of the mindset that, when we cross over, we pick up where we left off, but in a much better way. To me, that's appealing. All I want is to be with my girlfriend. That might be considered a very small-minded viewpoint, but it's all I have to go on.

    I never thought about what you expressed in your last sentence, but I hear you.
     
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  4. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    It could well be, bb, that you'll feel just the same after your return as you do now and nobody can tell you that you're wrong to feel as you do.

    I am sure that how I see things makes no sense to some others and there are times when I despair over, and I am appalled at, what happens in this world. I sometimes wonder myself if I am a cock-eyed optimist, something most would not associate with mac! But thus far my approach is unchanged. Folk may thing I'm crazy; I don't think I am but who knows? Maybe on my next return I'll say "Enough of the crap - I'm outta that place for good." and maybe that will be it. Maybe I'll find I had everything wrong. I have no idea.
     
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  5. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    And I hear you too, DG.

    I can't tell you anything to change how you feel or to help even a little - I only wish I could. The subject of multiple lives has been discussed at length and there's nothing new to add. Against your uncertainty I am confident that what you fear is not the way things work. But that's not a scrap of good to you and as things stand nothing is likely to persuade you that reincarnation isn't the endless cycle you fear.

    What you want in this life - to be with your partner again - will be possible in the next one. I can't prove it; I can't offer evidence of that. I can't persuade you it's true. I only wish someone could....
     
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  6. DenverGuy

    DenverGuy Active Member

    Thank you, Mac. If you're ever so inclined, I'd like to hear your opinion of Swedenborg - if it's a source or subject that you have an opinion on.
     
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  7. bluebird

    bluebird Well-Known Member

    I know you understand what I mean. And I agree with the idea of the "fun and enjoyment switch" having been turned off. I don't think it's small-minded to want to be with your soulmate.
     
  8. bluebird

    bluebird Well-Known Member

    As always, I do appreciate your willingness to understand that my feelings are valid, even though you might not share them yourself. That is not an easy position to hold, but it is a compassionate one, and does more good than anyone trying to tell people that they just need to "move on" and that "he wouldn't want you to be so unhappy" and so forth. So thank you. :)
     
  9. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    I confess I know only the name of this guy but know nothing about what he had to say.
     
  10. DenverGuy

    DenverGuy Active Member

    I was recently made aware of the non-profit Swedenborg Foundation, and I have to say that I am pretty fascinated by the guy himself, his interest and, hopefully, his knowledge. It's impressive that someone from the 1700s is so respected even today that there is a foundation on this subject that is dedicated to his work and beliefs.

    The foundation has quite a few very intriguing videos on YouTube, for what it's worth. I'll throw in a link here just for the heck of it. https://www.youtube.com/user/offTheLeftEye/videos
     
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  11. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    I haven't had chance to checkout any of his stuff but if it's similar to what I know of another individual who wrote under the name 'Allan Kardec' the delivery feels very dated. I'll take a look at Swedenborg's info. later.
     
  12. Monika

    Monika Active Member

    Hej. I also was looking videos of this foundation where they represent Swedenborgs thoughts. I really enjoyed :)
    Also i was looking through his book "Heaven and hell". I still did not read it from the beginning till end but one chapter called "Marriages in heaven" i read over and over again. Everytime when im uppset i read it. So i almost know it by heart :) There i find something very similar how i feel and understand. We both with Michel used to feel like one. Exactly one. You know the feeling when you feel like you and other person are like perfect fitting puzzle parts. So perfect that when you connect this line which used to divide one part from another simply dissapears and it becomes into one piece. And so i found that Swedenborg has his explanation about angels. When 2 minds of loving people connects into 1 it becomes 1 mind and creates 1 angel. Meanwhile you still stay as 2 personalities. Isnt that beautiful? :)
    There is this book free to read in the link i shared under thread Literature if someone has interest :)
     
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  13. Monika

    Monika Active Member

    To my opinion it differs from delivery of Allan Kardec :)
     
  14. DenverGuy

    DenverGuy Active Member

    What I like is that the foundation has brought Swedenborg's philosophies into today's world.
     
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  15. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    I wonder, though, what relevance that philosophy actually has in today's world?

    I say that because Modern Spiritualism - the religion and philosophy founded around 1884 that underpins my understanding - seems now to have little to say, little to offer. Yet in the UK it has a wide network of churches and centers and mediumship that demonstrates its fundamental message of survival and communication with those passed over.

    I wonder if the Swedenborg Foundation is attracting a large audience?
     
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  16. Kurt

    Kurt Active Member

    I am a fan of philosophy, yet I also believe that in the current decade it is irrelevant... it is to early to say hat for the millennium itself, but the early 21st century? The trend of irrelevance has been struck.
     
  17. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    Can philosophies ever be irrelevant? If so what will replace them?
     
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  18. Kurt

    Kurt Active Member

    Although they may be richly saturated with wisdom which makes them a beacon of light in an otherwise bleak world, certain philosophies are hard to apply to your lifestyle a lot of the time. For example Meditations by Emperor Marcus Aurelius has very great advice on how to be a good person, but I have discovered in life that society is set up like a boiling crab pot. Whenever one crab almost gets out, the other pull them back in. Most people are jealous of the success of others.

    Usually whenever someone tries to be a decent human being or turns out successful, they receive a lot of backlash, which usually makes them retaliate until they are back at square 1.

    Then again, my outlook might change as I move on to a better setting. The second I get to one I intend to re-attempt the application of philosophical principles to my living.

    If I was to replace the application of philosophy, I would choose research into spiritualism or anything spiritual in the 1st place. (which would include the further study of philosophy ironically, just without the application to living)

    Only time will tell. I intend to revisit this in an independent thread in the future after I attempt the application of said principles. Hopefully it is successful.

    Any thoughts would be highly appreciated.
     
  19. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    Any thoughts I may have ? Well you used a lot of words above, Kurt, but I still can't decide if they answered my earlier questions ....
     
  20. Kurt

    Kurt Active Member

    In modern society, if you apply them you get backlashed thus they may be somewhat irrelevant depending on the situation.
     
  21. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    What does "backlashed" mean?
     
  22. Kurt

    Kurt Active Member


    a strong and adverse reaction by a large number of people, especially to a social or political development.
     
  23. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    Would social or political development, then, be equivalent to philosophy?
     
  24. Kurt

    Kurt Active Member

    If you try to apply it to your life I could see it being considered a social development.
     
  25. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    Would that, then, be considered equivalent to a philosophy?
     
  26. DenverGuy

    DenverGuy Active Member

    Honestly, I don't know about relevance. They have 531 members. That just means people who pay them regularly.

    The say they have 450,000 followers on Facebook (which I refuse to use), and I know some of their YouTube videos have over a million views. They have over 60,000 subscribers.

    From their site:
    "The Swedenborg Foundation is a nonprofit organization whose purpose is to help people learn about Emanuel Swedenborg. We are currently in the process of creating a new translation of his works from the original Latin — The New Century Edition of the Works of Emanuel Swedenborg — and we also maintain the older Standard Edition.
    Part of our mission is to help people find new ways to engage with Swedenborg’s thought, and our most important outlet for doing so is the offTheLeftEye YouTube channel, home to our weekly webcast Swedenborg & Life."
     
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  27. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    Figures can be interesting but also misleading. Viewings of YouTube videos mean exactly what, I wonder? I don't do Facebook either and wouldn't take a scrap of notice even of umpteen million viewings because I have no context for assessing why folk watch and what videos mean to them.

    I can only hope the Swedenborg Foundation's aims are being achieved.
     
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  28. DenverGuy

    DenverGuy Active Member

    I agree. The numbers mean little to me. I do like their message, and you might enjoy their approach. I think their videos are very encouraging and enlightening. I really need to watch some tonight after watching James Randi and his take on mediums.
     
  29. ravensgate

    ravensgate Active Member

    DenverGuy, if I may suggest, read more about old Randi; he wrote the book on scamming and deceiving!
     
  30. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    I perhaps ought to take a look but now - at 71 years old - I'm feeling that there's unlikely to be anything new for me to discover.... I rather like the Spiritist approach (as folk here might expect) and there's a link on my resources section if anyone's interested in taking a look at their videos. (I'm not promoting that movement, however, and I'm not a Spiritist anyway.)
     

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