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Why the after life probably isn't true as far as I can tell.

Discussion in 'General Afterlife Discussions' started by Club Tropicana, Sep 30, 2017.

  1. Bill Z

    Bill Z Active Member

    Thank you Mac. No, no one here has said anything hurtful to me, I was just addressing other posts I read here.
    I really appreciate this site and I do understand that as you said:
    " I wonder, though, if knowing that your loved one is close sometimes delays acclimatisation to their passing."
    She was very sick at the end and I am learning to deal with the fact that things are much better now. She comes to me when I need help as I work through this.
     
  2. kim marine

    kim marine Active Member

    I agree! Some people in my life say if any scientific finding doesn't agree with the Bible they don't believe it. The Bible doesn't say we are material beings, but we have formed that notion over many years as human beings. So agreeing with things only found in the Bible is pointless and there is no thought involved in the decisions they make for themselves. There is little talk of any physicality in the Bible at all! I wonder if people who think along those lines even know what materialism actually is. I do not believe there is any actual material thing on the outside of us, but that it is projected from within us. I don't understand it, but I do believe it! It is like life happens to me and I participate with it. It has been like that since I was18 years old and I am now 53. The Highest Power in the Universe has been taking care of me!
     
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  3. Hello TC, may be of interest to you to go online or read the books of Anthony Peake.
     
  4. Mikey

    Mikey New Member

    I am no scientist, but what I know for sure is that my late wife has contacted me numerous times and in numerous ways since she passed eight months ago. The signs are there and no one can tell me different. I have also had two readings by separate evidential mediums. In those readings I was told things that no one but my wife and I would know. There are too many to list in this forum. Let's just say that I am convinced that there really is an afterlife and that I will see my beloved wife of 30 years when I pass. I have learned so much about this subject in the past few months and I have absolutely no doubts at all about an afterlife; there is just too much evidence out there.
     
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  5. RobertaGrimes

    RobertaGrimes Administrator

    Bless you, Mikey, and welcome to these forums! You are doing what is best for all the newly bereaved to do: you are conducting your own open-minded research and making up your own mind. It really all is good news!!
     
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  6. Bill Z

    Bill Z Active Member

    Hello Mikey,
    Your post is beautiful. The love of my life transitioned last June and She made contact soon after, as you say, in so many ways that we know to be true. For me the grief continues to be unbearable some days but than She will come through. She has shown me, not in a condescending way, but in a very compassionate way that She does not grieve. She understands my grieving as a parent understands a child's universe has been crushed by a stubbed toe or broken toy, if that makes any sense. And She is there to comfort me. I came from being her 24/7 caretaker when I was not working to Her being mine. Her wisdom is beyond me at this point. And I feel Her sweet love every day. I so miss Her physical form and that is the crushing pain I feel every day.
    Do you have a spiritualist church in your area?
    You are so reassuring Brother and I look forward to hearing your continued experiences with you Beloved.
    Just wanted to mention this. We used to feed the squirrels and birds in the park and She loved that. I've been going to the park with wild bird food and feeding the pidgins and gulls and sparrows. Susie is there with me giggling at us. I hold my hand out and they actually fly onto my hand and shoulder and head and I can actually pet them. When I Pull up, they know my car, and fly over to me. If little birds can communicate with us humans why do we possibly question the fact that all life, here and in other dimensions are not connected and communicating.
    Peace
     
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  7. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    It's nice to hear from someone who has received so much compelling evidence from evidential mediums. It's particularly nice to hear someone other than I using that particular descriptor.

    Were it that way for the many bereaved in this world who labour on uncertain, maybe dubious about the survival of their loved ones....
     
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  8. Elba Beolchi

    Elba Beolchi New Member

     
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  10. Elba Beolchi

    Elba Beolchi New Member

    Science is objective , physical. Even though some scientists are recognizing more than ever the spiritual reality. The brain is a vehicule, an instrument. Can the piano bring music without the pianist?
     
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  11. RobertaGrimes

    RobertaGrimes Administrator

    Hello Elba! Actually, science is NOT objective as it is now practiced in the mainstream. Instead it is, as you point out, "physical." And since it is becoming increasingly clear even to physicists that their core dogma of materialism is bogus, the fact that they cling to this dogma and most of them refuse to look at any evidence that contradicts their theories is pretty much the opposite of objective, don't you think?
     
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  12. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    science is objective - people may not be :D
     
  13. kim marine

    kim marine Active Member

    Many "Christians" go along with what science has taught humanity about reality and then want to discredit any scientific finding that discredits the Bible? Isn't that a twisted way to rationalize life?
     
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  14. Widdershins3

    Widdershins3 Active Member

    Most of the people I know in Real Life are what I call "Scientism Fundies." While believing that they are strictly rational (unlike we deluded mystics), in reality they've made a religion of Science. And, like a fundamentalist of any religion, they've narrowed their intake of information severely and rigidly, to the point where any questioning of their closely-held tenets is objected to quite violently.

    The result is the opposite of what real science is--an unbiased inquiry into our world. Instead, it's a chosen mental stance that must be defended at all costs against the barbarians who would storm its made-up, securely locked gates. As Roberta says, science in our time is not objective. In fact, for a new way of thinking to get a fair hearing, the Old Guard must die off first. Literally, in some cases.

    I find it really interesting that when a new discovery does sneak in and cast serious doubt upon one of their shibboleths, most claim to have "always known that"...which makes me roll my eyes so hard I swear I glimpse my brain;)
     
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  15. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    Science used in a scientific way is objective albeit limited by what's known and not known in any particular science. What may not be objective are the individuals who apply themselves to the task - fallible humans!
     
  16. kim marine

    kim marine Active Member

    Conscious vibrations create this earth. It is noted specifically in the Bible, when people of that era called Consciousness 'God', that a special kind of conscious vibe, or breath to the people of that era, was in mankind. Humans were created in chapter 1 and then in chapter 2 Consciousness was introduced into humanity. If we know that conscious vibrations create this world, and those conscious vibes are in us, what do we think creates our life? Man and woman are no different to eternal Consciousness, but here on earth we feel there is, in order to have different experiences in different incarnations to aid our spiritually maturity.
     
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  17. RobertaGrimes

    RobertaGrimes Administrator

    This is all so true - thanks for saying it! It's frustrating and even unbelievable, but the fundamentalist scientism freaks are even worse that the fundamentalist Christians in the extent to which they can deny reality in favor of desperately preserving their false belief system. And - yes - as the truth inevitably does dawn and they can no longer deny it, they are going to swear that they knew it all along. Oy.
     
  18. RobertaGrimes

    RobertaGrimes Administrator

    Freaks.
     
  19. RobertaGrimes

    RobertaGrimes Administrator

    Judgment is what eventually comes of half a century of patiently watching mainstream scientists altogether stonewall the truth as a united front, and thereby cause so much pain on earth that whatever good they might be doing at this point is altogether obliterated by it. For a long time I was confident that the scientific gatekeepers could not possibly be so venal, especially when some of their own leading lights - like Planck, Einstein, Tesla, and others - had independently discovered the basics of a genuine post-materialist science. But to this day they refuse to allow the afterlife evidence to be studied by any physicist who wants a career, and thereby they not only halted the advance of new scientific discoveries more than a century ago but they also are prolonging horrendous suffering over all the earth. I was kindly enough to call them just "freaks." I could with justification have used harsher words not printable.
     
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  20. Storybud68

    Storybud68 Member

    club Tropicana,there must be literally millions and millions of accounts of ghosts ,near death experiences.death bed visions,evp recordings,etct,it would only take one to be true to prove there is an afterlife,now what are the odds on that?
     
  21. genewardsmith

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  22. kim marine

    kim marine Active Member

    I was aware of life situations when I was in a coma and away from my body. Now, I am experiencing those situations over again and if I desire I can choose to handle those situations in a more constructive way as a human being.

    The witness of our lives is who we are and will live forever
     
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  23. kim marine

    kim marine Active Member

    We shouldn't let details block our search for the peace that exists within us.
     
  24. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    What do 6,400 years matter between friends? :):D
     
  25. kim marine

    kim marine Active Member

    Especially when your talking about eternity!;)
     
  26. kim marine

    kim marine Active Member

    Have "Christians" been brainwashed by the dogma of mainstream science without even being aware of it?
     
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  27. kim marine

    kim marine Active Member

    If you ever return and read this Club Tropicana, I used to feel about death the EXACT way you did. It petrified me, so I put up walls in my mind, and I became too comfortable defending my fears with a cynical attitude that I lost any desire to search for truth. I then had the NDE in 1983 and things happened in my life that were absolutely impossible for me to overlook. Just take the first step, take down the guard rail in your mind and give believing in what is invisible a try! I have no choice but to believe in consciousness that has incarnated as all we see, because it has been showing up in my life for the last 34 years, and it's always a nice surprise for me when it does. I expect it too, but I never know when or how consciousness will reveal itself to me.
     
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  28. kim marine

    kim marine Active Member

    You say: "There is no such place as 'The Kingdom' and a kingdom is a kingdom only when a king is reigning in it." I see what you are saying Mac, but wasn't this idea formed as you resided in this physical dimension? Just because that suggests religious conditioning to you doesn't mean it doesn't mean anything in 'real life'. I feel words that we speak, as humans, are lacking in expressing the potential of who we actually are, but as a human race we have become comfortable with using them as a fast and easy way to make our opinions, thoughts and feelings known. Suppose we never learned to talk as we do. What if we still drew pictures to communicate? What if texting was the only way to communicate? Imagine.... I bet it would slow down the callus words that are capable to cause a negative flow of energy and also the insults we so quickly throw around in our existence! Words are the materialization of thoughts and thoughts fly like the wind! We use these words to express our ideas that we feel are so righteous to us as individuals. I am going to begin THINKING before I speak on an impulse, because I care how words that come out of my mouth are able to make someone , no matter who they may be, feel.

    A king is someone who is supposed to care for everyone in his or her kingdom. When I speak of a king I am not thinking of a person who has dominion over me or a group of people. I listen to the eternal vibrations that created this physical dimension. That is what has authority over me. Mankind can make anything he/she desires from the elements found in this dimension he/she inhabits to bring new experiences to our life here. The only thing in which he/she has no control is life. He/she has control over when he/she can experience the illusion of death, but life, itself, is totally beyond his/her control. REAL LIFE is not an illusion, but life here is experienced in an illusory place.
     
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  29. kim marine

    kim marine Active Member

    Thanks Hardball. When I was in the Conscious Vibrations of the universe I was continually seeing previous lives I had lived, but every once in a while god would interrupt me. I asked him if I could go to heaven now and was prepared to give him all the correct answers, as I always thought I must answer certain questions like passing a test before I could go into heaven. I had all my answers prepared for who I thought was god. My Guides told me I had it all wrong and that I had to let go of the ideas I had been brainwashed from living on the "physical" earth . They told me I didn't have to know anything to enter heaven, but it was more important for me to concentrate on Being a certain way.
     
  30. DenverGuy

    DenverGuy Active Member

    I just watched the YouTube video titled: "Is There Life after Death? Fifty Years of Research at UVA," and they mentioned the book below. True or not, I find it very disheartening. Does anyone have any suggestions on dealing with stuff like this?

    "The Myth of an Afterlife: The Case against Life After Death," by Michael Martin and Keith Augustine.
    "Because every single one of us will die, most of us would like to know what—if anything—awaits us afterward, not to mention the fate of lost loved ones. Given the nearly universal vested interest in deciding this question in favor of an afterlife, it is no surprise that the vast majority of books on the topic affirm the reality of life after death without a backward glance. But the evidence of our senses and the ever-gaining strength of scientific evidence strongly suggest otherwise."
     

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