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Who Doesn't Like Aliens?

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  1. Waller

    Waller Banned


    I have had the pleasure of getting to know William Treurniet.

    http://www.treurniet.ca/wonder/ who champions Paul Hamden an Australian medium who channels ETs.

    About Paul:

    In 1976, Paul, a friend, and two neighbours saw a cigar-shaped UFO hanging outside his third-floor kitchen window in Melbourne. He estimated it to be about 20 m long and 4 m high. He says "the skin of the craft became 'clear' on one end (as if a portal had opened), we saw two 'beings' inside, they were watching us. This lasted a few minutes then the craft simply 'vanished'... Thirty years later, the beings have returned, I now sit regularly with a group of friends; we have communication with extraterrestrial beings".

    William and Paul have documented hundreds of conversations with the several ETs including the Zeta Reticuli, Annunaki, [FONT=&amp] Pleiadians [/FONT] and others.

    Paul and the Zetas confirm that Earthlings snuggling up too close to an ET can have effects similar to be poisoned having suffered the same himself. He was told that the root cause of illness is disturbance of the human etheric body by the presence of the ET etheric body a theme oft repeated in The Etheric Double authored by A. E. Powell. Drop me a PM if you would like a pdf/epub.

    To wit from William:

    "The idea of a human etheric body superimposed on the physical body is plausible. There is considerable evidence in the scientific literature of EM or photon communication within and among cells of the body. This could be interpreted in favour of the existence of an EM etheric body that regulates the physical body. See, for example, the review article "Electromagnetic cellular interactions" by Cifra et al. in Progress in Biophysics Mol. Biol., 105, 223-246, 2011."

    You can obtain a copy of the Hamden-ET conversations here.

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  2. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    TIS amazing how you make friends so easily!
  3. RobertaGrimes

    RobertaGrimes Administrator

    Dear Waller, that is fascinating. There is a great deal of evidence that we are not alone in the greater reality, but our dear friend Mikey tells us that in this level of reality - the material universe - we are alone. I have learned that people not in bodies don't necessarily know everything, so it's possible that Mikey is mistaken in this case, but the fact that the craft disappears and reappears suggests that perhaps in fact it comes from a different dimension. I know that Bob Monroe talked about great motherships that were hovering around the earth in a related but not identical dimension, thereby effectively cloaking themselves from us. When you consider the fact that only 5% of the universe is all the physical matter and energy that exists, while something like 27% of the universe is dark matter, there seems to be a lot of room for a lot of really amazing things!!
  4. Waller

    Waller Banned

    We might have a confusion in terms. Is an interdimensional being in "the material universe" ? Is an ET visitor in "the material universe". What contains "the material universe" anyway? :confused:

    Bashar would agree with Mikey with an exception - hybridization.

  5. Waller

    Waller Banned

    See above Bashar video. Monroe was probably a pseudoalien himself. :D
  6. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    TIS indeed fascinating!
  7. RobertaGrimes

    RobertaGrimes Administrator

    I suppose that I need not warn you, dear Mac. We all play nicely here.
  8. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    Warn me, dear Roberta? about what?
  9. Celera

    Celera Active Member

    I think in ordinary terms there is a clear difference between physical reality, as we commonly experience it, including stars and planets at great but quantifiable distances from us, and other planes of existence -- such as where ever the Summerland is. My recollection is that Mikey said earth has not been visited by aliens from other star systems or planets, not that such beings do not exist. But as Roberta notes, he could be wrong or just interpreting the question differently. Or perhaps your understanding is that these beings are from some place other than a distant solar system I can see through a telescope.

    I'm a little confused as to how the Zetas could confirm anything. Do you mean that Paul reports that they agree with him on this point (such a report doesn't really confirm anything, since either way we're just taking Paul's word for it.) I'm also puzzled by how an etheric body could sicken another etheric body, or a physical body for that matter. but then I suppose I don't understand what an etheric body is, exactly. Is this another way of describing a spirit taking some visible form? Or is an etheric body something different than a spirit?
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  10. Shen1987

    Shen1987 New Member

    This is woo nonsense, aliens for real. Sure, pink ponies next? Rainbow skies? New age nonsense. Why havnt they landded on the White House lawn then? Scared? Give me a break. Junk sceince. The guy making stuff up. Your making stuff up, Waller. Your a well known woo-believer who claims crop circles and cattle mutilations are evidence for alien activity in your posts. All of his information is deliberate lies. Best to ignore the troll.

  11. Waller

    Waller Banned

    Out for a sTroll, Shen1987? :D

    I am certain that channeling ETs would not be considered a "sceince", junk or other. Would you land on the White House lawn amidst the greatest security in the US with lunatic Earthlings carrying automatic weaponry and assorted explosives? Maybe you would. ;)

    I don't remember ever claiming that crop circles were of alien origin but I would list that possibility very high as possible explanations. We'll know when those darned fake aliens show up and tell us.

    A little shaky on what constitutes "woo" but if it includes being a proponent of the survival of biological death, then I'm full on WOO.

    I will grant you this. Pink ponies? Nahhhhhhhhhhhhh! :rolleyes:

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  12. Shen1987

    Shen1987 New Member

    No scientist is going to take such a thing seriously. Aline hypothesis and parapsychology is in a world decline. It is a dieing breed, anomalistic psychology is rising (and even being taught in UK universities now whilst parapsychology funding is becoming obsolete and most parapsychologists are getting old age, there are no young parapsychologists in the field. 20 years time parapsychology and alien junk science will be an internet trend only, no university or scientist will take it seriously. The American and British SPR are both in decline. Jordan Maxwell is a fake everyone knows that.

    Smell the roses. Blithering on about aliens and stuff is only going to ruin your reputition if you have anyone at all. "Waller".
  13. Waller

    Waller Banned

    Mikey being a 6th realm spirit-entity, if the rules according to Borgia and Benson, are followed, he is having to communicate through a intermediary spirit-entity - a middle medium - who is closer to the vibrational patterns of earthbounds. There could be a bad connection there instead of Mikey being wrong. :) 6-->3-->1, sounds like a inverted Tinkers to Evers To Chance double play. Sorta.

    It's an infinite universe with infinite possibilities, best not rule anything out especially with the shallow knowledge base we have to work with.
  14. Celera

    Celera Active Member

    As they say in the old Westerns, "Them's fightin' words." And we don't cotton to fightin' around these parts.

    There is a great variety in what participants here believe and what we doubt. Those discussions can be very enlightening. Calling someone a fake or a liar or a troll is not enlightening.

    If you think a particular idea is false, make your case. If you have no case to make, then be quiet, or be ignored.
  15. RobertaGrimes

    RobertaGrimes Administrator

    Well, this is a new record! Three different observers have already let me know that there is a new troll in town, which saddens me tremendously. I am banning Shen1987 for 30 days, with tremendous regret. If peace does not descend, I will need to warn others.

  16. ravensgate

    ravensgate Active Member

    Ok, I give up.:confused: Anyone care to explain "TIS"???
  17. RobertaGrimes

    RobertaGrimes Administrator

    Dear friends, I have left this post in place because it is a classic example - in case anyone needed one - of what will get members banned. It is nothing but an unpleasant personal attack, entirely devoid of meaningful information and meant to start a flame war. It's too bad, really. This very bright young man and I were in communication this morning because he tried to flame my blog at robertagrimes.com, and I told him that if he could be respectful and constructive we would be happy to entertain his science-based views here. It is self-evident that "This is woo nonsense" is not the lead-in to a communication that would be of value to anyone. "Pink ponies" and "New age nonsense" are stupid schoolyard taunts that are unworthy of anyone with even a modicum of intelligence. And to call someone's post "deliberate lies" is intellectually lazy foolishness. Where is the support for that statement? There is a legitimate discussion to be had about things like crop circles and cattle mutations - things that I wonder about as well - and certainly a legitimate discussion to be had about aliens. But someone who insults people in order to shut them up is never going to be a useful participant in that conversation. I apologize for inviting this person (who just has sent me an appalling email), but I do tend to think the best of everyone!
  18. Waller

    Waller Banned

    Tis' the season to be trolling,
    Fa la la la la la la la la la. Maybe? :eek:
  19. RobertaGrimes

    RobertaGrimes Administrator

    TIS was an earlier version of Shen1987. I believe it stands for The Irreligious Survivalist. Back then Andrew was also moderating, we had more time and patience here; at this point, it is only me and I have no time and even less patience. I am grateful to all our wonderful members who are kind and patient with newcomers and with one another - the loving tone of this website always lifts my heart!
  20. ravensgate

    ravensgate Active Member

    Bwhahahaha, good one!
  21. ravensgate

    ravensgate Active Member

    Ok, got it; thanks, Roberta :D
  22. RobertaGrimes

    RobertaGrimes Administrator

    This is an interesting set of opinions, I must say. I have been reading afterlife communications for half a century, and it really is only in the past fifteen years or so that I begin to see real inroads being made into the defensive bastions of materialist science. It seems to be only now that they are coming to see that their day is done, and the truths they have been suppressing for a century are leaking out in spite of all their efforts. My wonderful friend Victor Zammit has been fighting the good fight for a quarter of a century, and he agrees with me - he tells me that he used to hear from science-defender trolls constantly, but in the past few years he hardly hears from them at all. Heh - "no university or scientist will take it seriously" not only is entirely untrue in my own experience, but nowadays that is not a bug, but a feature! The SPRs may be declining because now so many people know the truth that little bastions of truth are no longer needed. And calling someone a "fake" for holding different views from your own without giving any supportive evidence impresses no one. That is what Wikipedia and other science-defender sites are doing at this point: they claim that things we know are true have been debunked, giving no evidence - basically they have fingers in ears and eyes squeezed shut and they are humming "La-la-la" loudly because at this point, they have nothing left.

    Dear friends, truth wins. All that the debunkers have left is lies and nonsense - they can't study the truth and prove it to be untrue, and by now too many laypeople know too much of the truth. What I have wondered about was how hard mainstream science was going to fight before it began to study all this evidence it has been walking past for a century. If the above is the best they've got, then heaven help them!
  23. Waller

    Waller Banned

    Roberta, Shen1987 has been applauded, supported and encouraged on another forum which has members from here, there as well. He has been raised on high, proud shoulders for his Internet posting skills and hueristic capabilities, he can match typing from one person to dozens of others, an amazing feat I must admit. pffft. :D Naturally, all puffed up and underpinned by those who are much older and should be much calmer, he trails over here.

    I am a trace sorry you banned him, he's good for a few ROFLS and who doesn't need a few ROFLs now and then?

    I get his emails too. They aren't so funny but he does have one poster dead to rights and if that comes to light, that won't be funny for him at all. :(
  24. RobertaGrimes

    RobertaGrimes Administrator

    I understand that the tone of other websites can be adolescent-boy rough, and that is fun for some folks. Here, we provide a source of information for people who need that information because they are dying, bereaved, or just plain curious. We provide a loving service. And nobody is going to be willing to post a question here if there is a fear of flaming! We are a serious website, based in love, and that is ALL we are - there are plenty of other places where the rough boys can play!
  25. Celera

    Celera Active Member

    And that is why I, at least, keep coming here (pretty sure I'm not the only one.)

    Internet fisticuffs are fun for an hour or so. It can feel stimulating until you realize how stupid it is.

    This is the only public forum I have found where people are consistently thoughtful and kind, and that makes it my favorite place to drop by on a break at work or whenever I need a few minutes of calm and a chance to contemplate things that really matter. It's like a little oasis. Largely thanks to Roberta's diligent enforcement.
  26. Waller

    Waller Banned


    I'm safe but your concern is noted. How Maxwell got into this discussion...:confused: I speak with materialists daily about survival matters, hold a discussion group weekly especially for them. They file in, blinders firmly attached, they file out, new set the following week, mostly the elderly but all very well educated. Shen1987, here's what I see.

    It's very difficult to face your entrenched beliefs, the older you get, the deeper the trench. Until they know their days are numbered, then I hear back from them. I am convinced that these materialists plan this holding pattern purposefully, they tell me so.

    It's their fear that sets those blinders, ego-based fear of being wrong. Loss of social contact, being outed from friends who will reject them, left alone. Materialists clump together like sorority sisters, in order to clump you have to support The Big Lie. It amazes me that we can be so tribal in the face of such important matters.

    These days the clumping is getting tighter and tighter as they cross-support The Big Lie. The pressure is on, even the international media is slipping towards survivalism and post-mortem afterlife. There is nothing the materialists can do about it except to clump.

    The "alien hypothesis" is a perfect test to see if you have been capsized by a materialist belief system dominated by the physical senses as the proof of genuineness. No see alien, no hear alien, no alien. Simple, agreeable, non-threatening clumpiness.(word :confused:). It's so much easier to dismiss, hangout with the other clumpers, than to stand aside, scratch a head and keep doors open. That takes a smidgen of bravery for if you are wrong, about anything that falls into the "I dunno" category, the consequences, to the materialist, are severe. Or so they seem to believe.
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  27. dopier

    dopier Member

    Interestingly, Victor Zammit's book is the very first thing that I stumbled upon that got me delivered from my deep desperation back in mid-2011. I still look forward every Friday to his weekly report. But one thing I was always uncomfortable with (could be due to my distrust of fundamentalism) was his constant obsession with the likes of James Randi(sp??). At times I find it quite the level of bullying. And thus my interest in the highlighted lines in your statement. Why the fight, if I may ask? Unless I don't quite understand the several messages/books I've read, the good souls on the other side always ask that we present the messages and let folks decide if they reason their logic. I quite like how you and others just come and post a reply here and there or a blog and let others pick them apart to their suiting. I thought that's how it should be done. I guess my stint with fundamentalism may have gotten me a bit too cautious. But I just frown upon folks wanting to silence dissent even when the dissenters should approach the arguments unfairly. Take Randi for example, I happen to agree with a lot of his arguments. I've heard him many times say that he cannot vouch one way or another for the existence of God...I'm paraphrasing here. It's just that the arguments presented are not convincing. Heck, many arguments don't convince me (not important...just making a point)! And I count myself a believer. So in reality, I don't quite understand people making a fit when their belief has been attacked. Our fellows from beyond advise us to just present the messages. Let others reason and/or rationalize it out to their likings. And yes, I believe, as you say: truth, although subjective perhaps, will win.
  28. BruceAdama

    BruceAdama Member

    Roberta, I thought that Carol and Mikey had clarified things by saying the there ARE other worlds and civilizations in this, our own dimension, but that none of them had contacted us.
  29. Waller

    Waller Banned

    What Do You Get When You Combine Ectoplasm, Alec Harris and Flying Saucers?

    From the book about Physical Medium Alec Harris "They Walked Among Us" authored by his wife, Louie Harris:


    "Hyman Klein came regularly. At one of the circles which Hyman attended a strange thing happened. A tall Spirit materialised wearing a mask which covered his whole face leaving only his eyes visible. This figure approached Hyman and taking him by the hand led him to the cabinet. Then in a serious voice he said: "I want to tell you that flying saucers do exist, although your world is sceptical of any reports of such. But I say to you that they will one day be an established fact, and will arrive on your planet before man destroys himself; but the time is not yet ripe."

    With that he turned and disappeared into the darkness of the cabinet, only to return a few seconds later carrying a large model of a flying saucer which stood several feet in height, in fact it was taller than he was himself. "This," he announced, "is the type of machine men from space will use when they come. This is only a model. But this is what it will look like; this is what they will travel in when they come, these people from Space." We all inspected this strange contraption and were fascinated by it.

    The Spirit spoke again to Hyman, "I will be with you on Thursday evening when you attend the Flying Saucer Meeting." Hyman thanked him, wondering how on earth he had known that it was his intention to attend this meeting, which was to be addressed by an investigator and author of several books on this controversial subject. Certainly none of us present at the circle knew anything of the impending lecture. What is more, we had not had an opportunity prior to the sitting of having any conversation with Hyman, apart from the usual greetings, as he had flown in from Johannesburg and had only arrived just in time for the circle.

    Naturally there was much discussion over tea after the séance. It was then that we usually analysed and exchanged opinions on anything unusual which had taken place. As the cabinet was very small and only able to contain the medium sitting in his chair, we were mystified how there had been enough room to include a fully materialised man plus that enormous model of a flying saucer which stood taller than the man himself. And what had happened to it once the Spirit returned to the cabinet? It is truly amazing the things that can be done with ectoplasm for that is what it was, an ectoplasmic model which had dematerialised as quickly as it had been materialised."

  30. Carol and Mikey

    Carol and Mikey Golden Hearts

    Hi everyone,

    Just want to clarify a few things. There is some misunderstanding. I have not been able to be here as much as I am busy with personal things.
    I have never been comfortable with the subject of "aliens". But here again is what Mikey tells me, and I know this has been posted in other places on this forum as this question always comes back.
    First of all, Mikey tells me an "alien" just happens to be a soul in a "different shell". He continues to stand strong that these sightings of aliens are from inter-dimensional travel. That is why they literally appear and then disappear. He tells me that an "alien" has not come here from another planet in this "same" vibrational dimension. It is inter-dimensional travel.
    Is there other "life" on other planets in the vast universe of this vibrational dimension? Mikey says "yes". However, humans have not discovered these planets AND this "life" has not traveled here to earth. Mikey tells me there has NOT been travel from another planet in this "same vibrational dimension" . The travel and visits that have occurred have been inter-dimensional.
    Mikey tells me the human mind cannot comprehend how huge and vast all the many dimensions are, including the one we are in!
    This is what Mikey tells me from his perspective. I guess we will find out for sure when we transition ourself!
    Carol and Mikey "in Spirit"
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