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When does the soul/spirit enter the body?

Discussion in 'General Afterlife Discussions' started by Corey, Jan 10, 2017.

  1. kim marine

    kim marine Active Member

    I am able to identify with this description of life, because during an NDE I was unconscious of life on this earth but conscious of life somewhere else. It seems as if I was watching a lot of, what appeared to be, movies in a 360 degree theater. I know now that I was reviewing dreams of former lives. There were other times when I was involved in the dream. I wanted to remain in that dream, but after a little while things turned odd and unpleasant. That is when I asked Consciousness to rescue me. I never saw It, but we had telepathic communication. It asked me why I needed rescuing and I said that this was not the world that I knew as 'home'. It rescued me from the world, things turned dark and sooner or later another dream began to roll. I eventually asked Consciousness what was going on. It relayed to my mind that I needed to wake up in order to experience life incarnate instead of in the dreams, and when I did wake up things would be familiar once more. During the dreams everything looked like this earth, but the people were were really rude and odd which gave my whole experience in those other places an eerie vibe.
     
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  2. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    Please check your Inbox - the tab is at the the top of each page.
     
  3. brexit

    brexit Guest

    Souls are eternal spiritual energies that on Earth are having a physical experience in the physical dimension. Nothing physical or non physical can exist without a soul. Everything has a soul from the moment it comes into existence. A soul does not live on a timeline. It does not have a beginning and an end. It never dies. For anything to exist, a soul must wish it to exist. If a soul ‘says’ it wants to be a house, a specific house will come into existence in order for that soul to experience life as a house. This is true for everything. God’s will is to have souls experience the unlimited expressions of himself. Everything is created by God and everything is an expression of God.
     
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  4. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    Curious choice of username for a New Yorker - commented on by a Brit facing brexit shortly. Are you in the city or out in the boonies?
     
  5. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    As so often we went way off-topic in this longish thread. As a reminder this is what was asked originally "When does the soul/spirit enter the body?"
     
  6. RitaNoel

    RitaNoel New Member

    I too believe the soul enters the body when the babies take their first breath. Just like the Bible says: ‘after God made Adam he blew into his nostrils the breath of life’. I think Adam soul enters his body after he took his first breath.
     
  7. kim marine

    kim marine Active Member

    I think the soul/spirit is the body before and at conception. It is part of the mysterious process of incarnation. The fertilized ovum grows, and without the spirit/soul there could be nor would be growth, and the fertilized ovum grows into a baby and goes on through many stages in life.
     
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  8. ravensgate

    ravensgate Active Member

    Based on what I read, the spirit may choose to enter and leave the developing fetus at will. It will then inhabit the body hours or days prior to birth. However, there are instances when the spirit will decide to leave permanently, and that is why, supposedly, we have stillbirths. All this based on readings, mainly those by dr. Newton and a few others (forget which "others" at the moment!). Who really knows? :confused:
     
  9. RobertaGrimes

    RobertaGrimes Administrator

    There is a great deal of evidence that, while the stage of development at attachment varies, in most cases the pairing of the incarnating being with his or her body happens even before conception, and attachment happens either then or very soon thereafter. As is true after we are born and for the rest of our earth-lives, we can come and go at will, but our attachment to that body virtually always happens before the end of the first trimester... generally long before.
     
  10. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    Who knows for sure why he/she would? :( At least this side of the divide.
     
  11. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    The individual who became Adam may have done just that but it doesn't necessarily follow that all births are similar.
     
  12. genewardsmith

    genewardsmith Active Member

    What evidence?
     
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  13. ravensgate

    ravensgate Active Member

    In my previous post, I mentioned Dr. Newton's subjects' recollection of their life between lives, and could not remember the other books that resonated with me.
    Went looking for them and found them. One is "Born to live" by Dr. Gladys McGarey, MD.
    The other book I enjoyed is "Cosmic cradle".

    As previously stated, I believe the spirit chooses when to enter the unborn; could be hours, days, weeks. Spirit could change his/her mind, as the little girl who chose to leave (stillborn) because her hands were malformed. When she returned (was born again) she told her mother why she had left, then showed her hands, proud they were "all right!" I think it's pretty much spirit's choice. No-one knows for sure.

    If I may, I'm pasting a few passages from "Born to live":

    “I aborted two souls many years ago and they both came back to me (together, holding hands, a boy and a girl) to tell me that they understood why I did what I did and that it was all part of the plan.
    “It was truly wonderful and so healing for me. They told me they loved me, then turned and walked away, still holding hands.
    “I never saw them again. I still remember that experience like it was yesterday. I had just finished doing yoga and way lying on the floor and then, there they were. I knew exactly who they were.
    “What struck me the most was the love I felt from them. Gives me goose bumps just writing about it!”

    Lisbeth gained the insight that abortion is not a life-or-death issue for the Spirit Baby. Unborn children already know they are eternal beings having a temporary human experience. So death isn’t such a “big deal” to a Spirit Baby or unborn Soul.




    One source to consider is the innocently-shared pre-birth memories of children who are much too young to have been privy to their mother’s previous miscarriage or abortion:
    A little girl is sitting on the kitchen floor playing with her doll, while Mom is preparing dinner.
    Out of the blue, the little girl looks up at Mom and says: “Mom, remember when I was in your tummy but you were too young to have me and so you went to this place and they took me out of your tummy?”
    Mom nearly dropped what she was holding, because her teenage abortion was a major family secret that certainly was not shared with her daughter.
    A few minutes later, the little girl looked back up to her Mom with a big smile and said: “I am so glad I could come back again to be your little girl!”

    For me, one of the important points is that sometimes a woman will feel torn and guilty if unable to bring the pregnancy to term, regardless of the reason. This may be especially so in the case of abortion. For some, abortion equals the killing of a soul, but the way I see it, a soul cannot be killed by an abortion just as it cannot be destroyed by physical death. We may mourn the absence of the physical but we know the spiritual is very much alive.

    Something concerns me about this topic... It could turn into a thorny subject because we're just a few steps away from the great debate of "When does life begin?"
    Would not surprise me if we end up debating abortion, and as we know, abortion, sexual orientation, religion, and politics tend to bring out the passions within!
    Should we move the topic, mac? :D:D
    Just my opinions, of course!
     
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  14. bluebird

    bluebird Well-Known Member

    Agreed, regarding birthday. Plus, it's unlikely that "Adam" was a real person -- it's an illustrative story.
     
  15. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    I..........
    Could be anything..... Belief is fine but we don't have any guidance I find authoritative and the point of 'entry' may vary widely from individual to individual.



    As discarnates we already know what's what - at least in some measure of detail - before we incarnate. Corporeal death is an issue for incarnates to experience and our experience of the death of a baby or child is something we can experience only here in the physical - and the same goes for that baby/child. Both parent and baby / would-be child learn from their experience and the situation is not one of death for the young one having no importance.




    agreed

    I'm monitoring things - it's all good for now. :)
     
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  16. ravensgate

    ravensgate Active Member

    Bluebird, I too think it is an illustrative story, but there is a little something that's always perplexed me.
    Are we all inbred? When I asked my co-worker, he just roared and said he'd never thought of that! Said he'd have to "think about that one", lol.
    It may be naive of me, but if we are to believe the Bible in its literal sense (as most Christians do); if Adam and Eve had 2 children (Abel and Cain) and we all descend from them, what happened there?? Something doesn't add up! Then again there are many Bible fables that just mns :p
     
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  17. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    I think that story is a little out-of-step with the 21st century. :D
     
  18. ravensgate

    ravensgate Active Member

    I think many stories in the Bible make little sense - to me, anyway. However, I know many devout Christians who tell me that whatever is in the Bible is true. Jonah really ended up in the whale's stomach, Noah really gathered every animal, etc. they believe it, and get quite offended if/when I say that, in my opinion, the Bible is rich with contradictions. I also point out that when the Bible was first written, punctuation did not exist, and one day Aristophanes had enough, so he tried to do something about it, lol. There are passages in the Bible that, when you change the location of the punctuation, the entire sentence can be interpreted/read another way.
    My observation about Adam and Eve was based on, "if the Bible is to be taken literally" - as some do...
    Anyway, I added this to the pot and shouldn't have.... my apologies :oops:
     
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  19. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    no matter - not many up this late and there will be others adding their tuppence worth tomorrow perhaps... Probably gone as far as we can with the original topic anyway.
     
  20. ravensgate

    ravensgate Active Member

    :cool: Old age keeps me up until 0200 or so, mac. Babbling is an extra bonus of old age, lol.

    Well, I'd better take this old body to bed and watch a few episodes of Frasier Crane.
     

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