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What makes you believe there is an afterlife?

Discussion in 'Afterlife Evidence' started by Wanttobelieve, Aug 19, 2018.

  1. Wanttobelieve

    Wanttobelieve New Member

    Hello, I just signed in. I´m 43 years old, I live in Vienna. (And I usually speak German, please forgive me my English mistakes.)

    I lost my Dad 18 month ago, my grandmother (Dad´s mother, age 102) 2 and a half years ago. I wish very much I could believe that both somehow still exist. I cannot stop looking for my Dad, hoping I somehow will find him.

    Problem is, I´m a sceptical person.

    I was brought up with the belief that humans have a "soul". I lost this belief when my Dad died.

    - I have seen people and animals die, but have never witnessed a deathbed phenomenon.
    - Whenever I get to know a person who has been resuscitated I ask him or her: "Did you experience something?" Answer was always: "No. I think when you are dead, then you are dead."
    - I did not get any "signs" I could believe in. The doctor called in the middle of the night and told me my Dad had just died. (It was cancer.) Clocks did not stop. Both dogs were snoring in my bed. I did not see any white butterflies other than those that come from caterpillars in the cabbages. I did not hear voices or receive strange messages. No rainbows. No feathers. I did not hear Dad´s favourite songs.
    - I think I smelled him a few time, but I am afraid this is just remembrance. When I brought up a baby crow this year, I could suddenly smell my tame blackcap. That blackcap died 18 years ago.

    I watched various psychic performances on Youtube. Also, I visited a "divine service". These people do NOT talk to deceased persons. They use mentalist tricks, cold reading and such. Most aren´t even very good. My Dad was a magician and I have seen really good mentalists at magical congresses. Dad explained the tricks to me. He also showed me how to "influence" a pendulum, how to know which card will be drawn from a deck... Such things.

    I never believed in any god.
    I´ve given pseudomedicine a number of chances (mostly because I did not want to argue with doctors who obviously believed in supernatural healings.) Acupuncture did not have any visible effect on me or my pets. Homeopathy never worked because I´m a non-believer. I´m collecting minerals and I know stones do not have any influence on my health, not unless they are called "uranium dioxide". I refuse to spend any more money on pseudomedicine and, of course, I very much doubt there is a "qi" or an astral body.

    I wish I could believe that my Dad is in "heaven" and that some day we will meet again. But I can´t. I miss him, I feel alone. I dread the day when Dads old dog (Labrador, 15 years) will die.

    What is it that makes you believe in an afterlife? Please tell me, I really want to know.
  2. Teri

    Teri New Member

    Hello - I understand what you’re saying. I’ve read a lot of books in the afterlife and it wasn’t until I met with a medium that I completely believe. My mom passed two years ago also from cancer, it was devestating as it was unexpected. I’m still having a problem coping with her loss feeling empty and just needing my mom. I went to a medium because I was desperate to “talk” to my mother. This medium knew nothing about me nor had ever met me. My mom came thru and “talked” about things only her and I would know... the divorce of my brother, a pair of shoes I never liked, a broken figurine in the wall unit. I’ve found pennies in my winter boots, white feathers on my car windshield - in fact my brother saw a flash of white light in their kitchen. Family members have had visitation dreams and describe in detail their meeting with Mom. I’m still waiting for my visit... it does go against my catholic upbringing but I do believe there’s more to life than just dying and it’s all over. Signs are there you have to be open to seeing little details, sometimes you miss them. I do believe my mom is with me everyday, I talk to her as if we’re having one of our conversations. I do find comfort knowing that. I hope you will find comfort in my reply. :)
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  3. mac

    mac Staff Member

    welcome to ALF - afterlife forums :)

    I don't see being sceptical as a problem. ;) It's natural - of course - to miss our loved ones and to want to find them again.

    It's a shame you've lost that belief but beliefs can be very shaky things at times. I'd guess that inside you never accepted that idea so it wasn't really a part of you. Death can test our resolve but those who understand and accept our survival beyond death often cope better when faced by it.

    me neither!

    That person, of course, didn't die.;) But some who have had experiences that injured their bodies severely and recovered have told different stories and those stories have affected their outlook greatly and positively. Near-death experience is not a major part of ALF's main forums or threads but we have had members who did experience life-altering events.

    me similarly - Our baby son dies almost in my arms and our lives changed forever that instant. But just like in your world the clocks didn't stop, there were no magical signs and when we arrived home empty-handed, my wife without the baby she had carried for 9 months, this world was turning just as it had before we'd left home 18 hours earlier.

    I wasn't with you so I can't comment on what you saw but that's not the case with mediums. (not psychics, sensitives or showmen)

    Belief or lack of belief won't change anything.

    Many such techniques are nonsense and it sounds like you've not been impressed by anything you've found. Perhaps time to change tack?

    I don't believe in an afterlife. I'm totally confident that one exists and - for that matter - so does a 'forelife'. But my experiences would probably not persuade for you or make you a 'believer' and that's just fine. My guess is that others' experiences won't either and for you to feel confident, for you to feel persuaded about the things members here on ALF or elsewhere speak about, you may have to do some personal research. How do you feel about that?
  4. mac

    mac Staff Member

    Teri's experience has helped her and my next suggestion would be that you visit an evidential medium yourself. When I say a 'medium' I don't mean a psychic, sensitive or channeler. If you do go down that route, ask the practitioner exactly what (s)he will try to do. It's not a ' psychic reading' that you should be looking for so if there's any emphasis on telling you about life or the future or asking for a question that will be answered I suggest you look elsewhere.

    A medium should ask you NOTHING about yourself or who you are hoping to hear from etc. You should not tell her/him any details about yourself - a medium doesn't need anything. In response to a medium's questions your answers should be yes, no, I'm not sure or I don't know for example and you should not volunteer information.
  5. Kurt

    Kurt Well-Known Member

    What made me believe in it is a long story with basic points to it.

    I was porn into a household of pure evil.

    I was put into a hyper religous household that concluded I was the devil..... Their behavior left me highly skeptical of all religion.

    I went somewhere else with a chick who wanted to screw with my emotions.. she did convince me to embrace my athiest tendencies.

    That was not truly me though. I left and embraced my anti religious tendencies.

    I met some satanists and their freewheeling lifestyle and antics rubbed off on me. I was finally loved.

    I fell in love with a Christian woman who brought me into the undecided sector.

    I came here, because all religion is about is lifestyle and death and I had matured considerably and finally found a good lifestyle (think into the wild) now all there was was the afterlife

    I came here

    I was amazed that so many others had the same beliefs I did. I took the silver birch rule to heart and have never left.

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