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What do you consider valid ADC?

Discussion in 'After-Death Communication' started by Mark Zerafa, Dec 27, 2016.

  1. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    I can speak only for myself but questioning or challenging what I write never offends me... :)

    Weeding out charlatans is a totally valid consideration in connection with mediumship but this isn't a thread about that. Bacci sits and twirls the dials on his radio. What comes through that old device is assessed by those who sit for messages. Those who seek him out and find persuasion they're hearing from their loved ones seem happy with the outcome. I don't think he charges for his service (as best I remember) so he's not trying to dupe them for financial gain.

    Following (briefly) this line of thought, and just for comparison, perhaps the worst offenders - and I chose the last word deliberately - are those on the physical mediumship / phenomenalism gravy train. Practitioners professing to be physical mediums who sit in the dark and are regularly accused - by experienced individuals equally familiar with the tricks than can be pulled and genuine phenomena - of trickery, deception and fraud. This is not the place for such a discussion however but Bacci isn't in that group or anything like the individuals who are.

    I've followed Carol Morgan's development from the early times although not from the beginning. I can readily accept Mikey's words and ideas communicated through his mom as reflecting what he's finding and experiencing. But Carol doesn't work as an evidential medium bringing personal messages to seekers.

    Gender doesn't have the same impact of individuals in the so-called afterlife but it seems routine for those who do manage to contact us in our world to present as the gender they were with the appearance they had whilst incarnate. It makes sense to me that their voices will still sound masculine or feminine either to clairaudients, via the direct voice or through an electronic device. They're issue that others may disagree with me about and I'm totally comfortable with that. I'm confident in what I've learned although others may hold different views from me.

    That's the nature of forum work but also the nature of humankind generally. ;)
     
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  2. RobertaGrimes

    RobertaGrimes Administrator

    Ah, but he wouldn't do that. He would cheat and fudge and declare it all to have been proven to be fraudulent. These debunker types are the most inellectually dishonest folks on the face of the earth because they NEED to prove materialism. There is nothing objective about them!
     
  3. ShingingLight1967

    ShingingLight1967 Active Member

    Hi Mark,

    I must say that a year after my husband has passed, i am still looking for that concrete proof that he has survived physical death. After a year, several dreams, several medium readings and several happenings that could be considered communications, I am still looking for that irrefutable proof.

    As I posted in another thread, maybe *I* am looking for the grand showing that I have read so many other people have had. What is that? I dont know, maybe a medium telling me something very very specific that has happened after he passed, that he could have no way of knowing about. Maybe, as I have read in a few books, a physical manifestation that has been able to be studied.

    And yes, it is a personal thing for me. Will it help with my grief? I dont know, maybe. I know it wont help me miss my husband's physical presence, but maybe it will give me some sort of hope that we will be together again.
     
  4. Mark Zerafa

    Mark Zerafa New Member

    Although some may be satisfied with subtle signs and suggest that strict scientific evidence may not be necessary when studying the afterlife I beg to differ. How then do we ensure that the purported signs are actually signs and not figments of our imagination? How do we protect our investigations from artifacts? Paranormal investigation should not be exempt from scientific rigour and I say this with conviction and emphatically notwithstanding the fact that I am a newbie. This would be akin to blind faith. How then would this differ from blind faith in a religion? I gave up religion as it lacked rationality.
     
  5. ShingingLight1967

    ShingingLight1967 Active Member

    I think you are hitting my point better than I can explain it.

    After a year of research into this field of study I can not come away with the absolute certainty FOR ME that we survive physical death. I can not say that I truly understand that there is something more than what we experience here and now.

    In my situation the only evidence I can present is my own anecdotal experiences and there is no way to take them and confirm them with testing. None of my experiences have been witnessed by another person, none of my experiences can be confirmed. None have produced physical evidence that can be studied.

    I was just thinking this the other day, that everything that I have been through within this past year, can have an alternative explanations that make just as much sense. My dream visits have been just that- dreams. How can I know for certain that the mediums that I have met with, have not gotten information about from a google search? reading an obituary? social media posts? or the old cold reading technique? The tugs I have had on my shirts, how do I know that my shirt didnt catch on a necklace or a patch that I wear at times? The candle sconce that broke- was probably due to it being hot and old and finally just shattered. My wishful, grieving mind is making stuff up. You know occam's razor and all.

    Where I sit today, there has been nothing I have seen/experienced that has proven to me beyond a shadow that we survive physical death. I honestly dont think there is anyway to know with any certainty until we either arrive there ourselves upon our own deaths, or dont.
     
  6. RobertaGrimes

    RobertaGrimes Administrator

    Dear Mark, the dead expect that within a decade we will have very reliable electronic communication between levels that anyone can use. Basically, an inter-dimensional telephone. Do you need some scientist to come up with rigorous proofs that when you ring up your best friend for a chat, that conversation is not happening in your imagination? No, right? And neither will we need to bother with scientists telling us that the communications we will be having electronically are real. We won't need scientists then for anything much, which is a good thing since the profession as a whole has covered itself with shame by refusing to investigate and only trying to debunk the afterlife evidence for more than a century!
     
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  7. Mark Zerafa

    Mark Zerafa New Member

    I look forward to that Roberta. I don't like it when someone jumps to the long shot conclusion that a fleeting, flickering shadow seen at the corner of one's eye is dear aunt Maggie saying "hello". Likewise, I am upset when a bigoted scientist refuses to analyse the data for the afterlife, dismissing the possibility a prori. I think we need to strike the right balance. Its the way forward, in my honest opinion.
     
  8. milahanna

    milahanna Member

    As much as I would love this to happen, I'm a bit confused about the whole thing.

    Are we even really suppose to have communications? The veil was purposely put up, right? We come here with our memories essentially erased to experience and learn. Sounds like earth was created to be a school so if we breach that veil to where anyone and everyone can communicate, won't the whole purpose of this world/dimension fall away?
     
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  9. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    As always the 'wet-blanket' mac is somewhat in agreement with some of mil's thoughts.

    I started following the reported ITC interest early last year and since then I've been reading up in fits and starts on what's been posted online. Not necessarily a complete picture but, with any luck, probably indicative of it.

    At first I was dubious about what I was hearing but eventually I began to accept there was evidence of success using so-called ITC. I was personally unable to make out much from the communications but I became accepting of the honest intent of the folk who claim they do hear the voices of the so-called dead. That was a major step to take. But some of the claims didn't work for me so I began trying to sort the wheat from the chaff. I'm still trying and also trying hard to be open-minded while at the same time not allowing garbage to fill that openness!

    Last summer ALF's members followed discussion and debate about so-called ITC with Stations. Optimistically, perhaps wildly over-optimistically, big improvements in the clarity of message reception was promised for about now. Later it was suggested that the improvements would be seen perhaps in five years

    For a website where it's regularly been reinforced that time is meaningless in the world-of-the-spirit I could see no logic in claiming any measurable time frame for success. Based on what? Our unseen friends are not constrained by time as we mortals are. Unless an event is imminent, how can a time-frame be calculated by those for whom time has ceased to apply?

    We are told that spirit-side devices are already operating successfully and that our electronic communication devices can be used to link to their etheric counterparts. I can now accept that claim but I do question the logistics and the m.o.

    We were assured that the established mode of trans-dimensional communication did not need a human go-between or facilitator. Someone commonly known as a medium or channeler. That sounded very heartening and would be a distinctly different way from traditional mediumship. What I've read since, however, makes me question that claim but even if it's correct, are we really on the threshold of having an "....inter-dimensional telephone....that anyone can use"? Roberta says "the dead expect that within a decade we will have very reliable electronic communication between levels that anyone can use." So first it was a few months, then five years and now "within ten".

    I'm left wondering if I'll get to see on this side of the divide a device to achieve what's being claimed. And as for mil's thoughts in her last sentence above she make interesting points. If survival beyond death was unequivocally proven globally, might it not fundamentally undermine an important principle of this dimension - the uncertainty about what comes next?

    If we all categorically knew that every single one of us lives on beyond death, and everything else that goes along with that knowledge, what might be the outcome?
     
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  10. RobertaGrimes

    RobertaGrimes Administrator

    My dear, at one time I shared your worry that perhaps we really aren't meant to know these things. I felt compelled to write The Fun of Dying in 2009, but just before it was first published in August of 2010 I began to panic about my possibly revealing things that people are not supposed to know! I prayed on my knees that if my publishing that book was not God's will, I would please die right then so the book would never see print. Well, not only did God not take me up on that offer, but I have been used to educate the world about this stuff more and more intensively ever since. We have more recently been given to understand that the fact that people haven't known what was going on has led too many people to make negative and unloving choices, and as a result the spiritual vibration of this planet is so dangerously low that now its survival as a useful school is at stake. Accordingly, an intensive effort is underway to raise the planet's vibration, and quickly; and all this recent more intensive afterlife communication - and the development of possibilities for direct communication without a medium - are part of this process. So, yes, apparently we are indeed supposed to know this stuff. No question!
     
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  12. Hello Mark, this reminds me of Plato's quote. "religion for the masses and rational for the elite"
     
  13. Zac

    Zac Member

    Have you listened to the Leslie Flint sittings? There were dozens of sittings between a husband and his deceased wife over 2 decades:

    http://www.leslieflint.com/annie-nanji-1-10

    I wish there were someone like Leslie Flint available today, but he went to the other side in 1994.
     
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  14. RobertaGrimes

    RobertaGrimes Administrator

    Thank you for mentioning these recorded sessions, Zac - they are truly extraordinary!
     
  15. Nirvana

    Nirvana Active Member

    That is so interesting. What are your sources for that?
     
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  16. RobertaGrimes

    RobertaGrimes Administrator

    A number of upper-level beings have let us know that this is what is going on: you can find repeated references in the literature. My own primary spirit guide has let us know that if we cannot quickly raise the planet's vibration away from fear and negativity and toward more perfect love, within 200 years conditions on earth will be so desperate that what he refers to as "the so-called Christians" will start Armageddon on their own. Apparently it is this climactic battle that the upper-level beings are trying to prevent, since of course such a thing would be the worst that could happen: it would make the earth's consciousness vibration even much more negative, and could lead to the planet's destruction.
     
  17. Nirvana

    Nirvana Active Member

    So that's the reason we are now allowed to have technologies like the SoulPhone, correct?
     
  18. RobertaGrimes

    RobertaGrimes Administrator

    That is what we are assuming, Nirvana!
     
  19. milahanna

    milahanna Member

    How do we know we can trust these "higher beings? I'm confused because most of the afterlife material floating around suggests that the planet's vibration is higher than it's ever been. I've heard it called the age of enlightenment, age of Aquarius etc. This warning sounds rather new.

    Also, I'm seeing most of religion leading us towards wars, not just so called Christians. Why aren't these beings addressing the fear that so called Muslims are spreading these days?

    Lastly, I've seen posts here suggesting that we plan our lives and that this includes the evils of this world. Those who cause us harm supposedly are higher beings that volunteered in order to help us learn lessons and grow. Yet, those actions are causing the fear and destruction that these higher beings are warning that we need to change? Wth?
     
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  20. enby

    enby New Member

    see contradictions and baloney that makes no sense all around!

    within an ideology/theory or whatever that even if there were no contradictions like this it's still at its core unloving and makes no sense

    love does not mean causing harm even for your alleged ~spiritual growth~. there is no excuse period.

    i will not accept that somehow, the spirit world is 100x more backwards than here.

    i've seen here a couple months or whenever the uk parilament thing happened, the defense/reasoning of that--a terrible thing that actually happened and is not trivial and not a workout in the gym, a thing where ppl suffered and died-- as the victims agreeing to it and the attacker too

    i feel like honestly ppl just can't accept that bad things happen. and honestly why can't ppl and other beings just exist and that be enough. why does there have to be this reason of ~spiritual growth~ attached to it, especially in terms of the life lessons junk. i'm all here for being better and loving and stuff, but when paired up with this pre-planning junk--it just cheapens it honestly. it doesn't make sense and it's not right

    yeah and these ~higher beings~ who are they? rly who exactly are they? to me, if i were some obnoxious negative/evil person in spirit, making it seem like 'oh this bad thing happened to you? you were assaulted/raped/etc.? well sweetie that's rly for own good don't you see?" making it seem like this is somehow a good and ultimately loving thing seems like one of the best schemes of promoting not changing society and how things are/apathy/evil/self-blame/etc. and just in general messing with ppl

    like it is victim blaming. no way around it. and you may think believing this person chose to be verbally harassed, assaulted, or murdered or whatever is somehow all well and good and the suffering here is trivial--but it's not. it hurts ppl and just victim blaming in an even weirder packaging.
     
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