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What do you consider valid ADC?

Discussion in 'After-Death Communication' started by Mark Zerafa, Dec 27, 2016.

  1. AmbraADC

    AmbraADC Banned

    Dear Mark,

    Experiencing any kind of psychic-related phenomena is a personal journey. All people who experience it must decide what to make of it, in accordance with their beliefs, and do the research they feel is necessary.

    I had my first ADC (after-death communication) when I was 21, back in 1981. Since it was my first one, I thought it was just an unusual experience and didn't take it too seriously. Ten years later in 1991, I experienced an ADC and some other rather unique psychic phenomena, and still didn't know what to make of it.

    But as I got older, I experienced more psychic things more frequently, and I had to figure out what to make of it all. Some of my experiences gave me verifiable information about my life, which helped. But in my case, I had experiences, I read books, I prayed a lot, I had more experiences, and I read more books. And overall, I think my psychic related experiences have been a blessing.

    I don't agree with everything I read, but thankfully, I have read enough to know that all of the experiences I've personally had, someone else has had and published in books. That helps. I am 56 now, and I have daily ADCs with a very special love in my life who died 32 years ago. And I'm still reading and praying and still trying to figure it all out.

    No one can tell you what to believe. All you can do is read books, listen to people, and consider your own experiences, or lack of them. You said you just recently lost someone special, and if you're feeling very emotional right now, it will most likely block any ADC attempts your deceased loved one is making. However, you might have some in the days, weeks, months, or years to come.

    Grief is an on-going, long-term process. Grief will challenge what you believe about life, God, religion and the afterlife. I personally believe that that is one reason that God allows people to grieve, as opposed to just giving them irrefutable proof that their loved ones are alive in another dimension. All of life is about our spiritual evolvement, and grieving will help you evolve.

    For me, I am a Christian, and I still am, despite opposing views that I have read. I have read nothing that convinces me not to be a Christian. I have believed all my life that when a person I love dies, that I will see them again in the afterlife or Heaven when I die. And because I believe that, I have never heavily grieved over anyone for years and years like I've seen some people do. My beliefs, my faith, has comforted me.

    What I never expected in my life was any ADCs or psychic experiences, but I have had many since 1981, some verifiable, too many not, and I have to decide what I believe. And the bottom line is, no matter what you read, that's the way God made this life. He made it so that we cannot know the full truth about many afterlife-related subjects, and He did that to test our faith as Christians believe, or help us evolve as others will tell you. You must have your experiences and read what you read and make up your own mind. That's all there is. My prayer for you is that God bless you with the peace that surpasses all understanding, at this trying time in your life.

  2. Ken

    Ken Member

    Im not trying to offend anyone here, that is not my intention at all. I personally believe in the supernatural or afterlife but I just think that a person who is skillful in the art of deception would be in a better position to weed out the charlatans.

    Personally, Mikey's messages are more believable for me than a radio picking up live human voices. Because Consciousness/spirit/soul does not have a mouth to make those human sounds and they do not have a gender(male or female voices).

    But this is just my opinion based on my experience at this point in time and I look forward to experiencing and discovering more things in the near future :)
  3. mac

    mac long-term contributor

    I can speak only for myself but questioning or challenging what I write never offends me... :)

    Weeding out charlatans is a totally valid consideration in connection with mediumship but this isn't a thread about that. Bacci sits and twirls the dials on his radio. What comes through that old device is assessed by those who sit for messages. Those who seek him out and find persuasion they're hearing from their loved ones seem happy with the outcome. I don't think he charges for his service (as best I remember) so he's not trying to dupe them for financial gain.

    Following (briefly) this line of thought, and just for comparison, perhaps the worst offenders - and I chose the last word deliberately - are those on the physical mediumship / phenomenalism gravy train. Practitioners professing to be physical mediums who sit in the dark and are regularly accused - by experienced individuals equally familiar with the tricks than can be pulled and genuine phenomena - of trickery, deception and fraud. This is not the place for such a discussion however but Bacci isn't in that group or anything like the individuals who are.

    I've followed Carol Morgan's development from the early times although not from the beginning. I can readily accept Mikey's words and ideas communicated through his mom as reflecting what he's finding and experiencing. But Carol doesn't work as an evidential medium bringing personal messages to seekers.

    Gender doesn't have the same impact of individuals in the so-called afterlife but it seems routine for those who do manage to contact us in our world to present as the gender they were with the appearance they had whilst incarnate. It makes sense to me that their voices will still sound masculine or feminine either to clairaudients, via the direct voice or through an electronic device. They're issue that others may disagree with me about and I'm totally comfortable with that. I'm confident in what I've learned although others may hold different views from me.

    That's the nature of forum work but also the nature of humankind generally. ;)
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  4. RobertaGrimes

    RobertaGrimes Administrator

    Ah, but he wouldn't do that. He would cheat and fudge and declare it all to have been proven to be fraudulent. These debunker types are the most inellectually dishonest folks on the face of the earth because they NEED to prove materialism. There is nothing objective about them!
  5. ShingingLight1967

    ShingingLight1967 Active Member

    Hi Mark,

    I must say that a year after my husband has passed, i am still looking for that concrete proof that he has survived physical death. After a year, several dreams, several medium readings and several happenings that could be considered communications, I am still looking for that irrefutable proof.

    As I posted in another thread, maybe *I* am looking for the grand showing that I have read so many other people have had. What is that? I dont know, maybe a medium telling me something very very specific that has happened after he passed, that he could have no way of knowing about. Maybe, as I have read in a few books, a physical manifestation that has been able to be studied.

    And yes, it is a personal thing for me. Will it help with my grief? I dont know, maybe. I know it wont help me miss my husband's physical presence, but maybe it will give me some sort of hope that we will be together again.
  6. Mark Zerafa

    Mark Zerafa New Member

    Although some may be satisfied with subtle signs and suggest that strict scientific evidence may not be necessary when studying the afterlife I beg to differ. How then do we ensure that the purported signs are actually signs and not figments of our imagination? How do we protect our investigations from artifacts? Paranormal investigation should not be exempt from scientific rigour and I say this with conviction and emphatically notwithstanding the fact that I am a newbie. This would be akin to blind faith. How then would this differ from blind faith in a religion? I gave up religion as it lacked rationality.
  7. ShingingLight1967

    ShingingLight1967 Active Member

    I think you are hitting my point better than I can explain it.

    After a year of research into this field of study I can not come away with the absolute certainty FOR ME that we survive physical death. I can not say that I truly understand that there is something more than what we experience here and now.

    In my situation the only evidence I can present is my own anecdotal experiences and there is no way to take them and confirm them with testing. None of my experiences have been witnessed by another person, none of my experiences can be confirmed. None have produced physical evidence that can be studied.

    I was just thinking this the other day, that everything that I have been through within this past year, can have an alternative explanations that make just as much sense. My dream visits have been just that- dreams. How can I know for certain that the mediums that I have met with, have not gotten information about from a google search? reading an obituary? social media posts? or the old cold reading technique? The tugs I have had on my shirts, how do I know that my shirt didnt catch on a necklace or a patch that I wear at times? The candle sconce that broke- was probably due to it being hot and old and finally just shattered. My wishful, grieving mind is making stuff up. You know occam's razor and all.

    Where I sit today, there has been nothing I have seen/experienced that has proven to me beyond a shadow that we survive physical death. I honestly dont think there is anyway to know with any certainty until we either arrive there ourselves upon our own deaths, or dont.
  8. RobertaGrimes

    RobertaGrimes Administrator

    Dear Mark, the dead expect that within a decade we will have very reliable electronic communication between levels that anyone can use. Basically, an inter-dimensional telephone. Do you need some scientist to come up with rigorous proofs that when you ring up your best friend for a chat, that conversation is not happening in your imagination? No, right? And neither will we need to bother with scientists telling us that the communications we will be having electronically are real. We won't need scientists then for anything much, which is a good thing since the profession as a whole has covered itself with shame by refusing to investigate and only trying to debunk the afterlife evidence for more than a century!
  9. Mark Zerafa

    Mark Zerafa New Member

    I look forward to that Roberta. I don't like it when someone jumps to the long shot conclusion that a fleeting, flickering shadow seen at the corner of one's eye is dear aunt Maggie saying "hello". Likewise, I am upset when a bigoted scientist refuses to analyse the data for the afterlife, dismissing the possibility a prori. I think we need to strike the right balance. Its the way forward, in my honest opinion.
  10. milahanna

    milahanna Member

    As much as I would love this to happen, I'm a bit confused about the whole thing.

    Are we even really suppose to have communications? The veil was purposely put up, right? We come here with our memories essentially erased to experience and learn. Sounds like earth was created to be a school so if we breach that veil to where anyone and everyone can communicate, won't the whole purpose of this world/dimension fall away?
  11. mac

    mac long-term contributor

    As always the 'wet-blanket' mac is somewhat in agreement with some of mil's thoughts.

    I started following the reported ITC interest early last year and since then I've been reading up in fits and starts on what's been posted online. Not necessarily a complete picture but, with any luck, probably indicative of it.

    At first I was dubious about what I was hearing but eventually I began to accept there was evidence of success using so-called ITC. I was personally unable to make out much from the communications but I became accepting of the honest intent of the folk who claim they do hear the voices of the so-called dead. That was a major step to take. But some of the claims didn't work for me so I began trying to sort the wheat from the chaff. I'm still trying and also trying hard to be open-minded while at the same time not allowing garbage to fill that openness!

    Last summer ALF's members followed discussion and debate about so-called ITC with Stations. Optimistically, perhaps wildly over-optimistically, big improvements in the clarity of message reception was promised for about now. Later it was suggested that the improvements would be seen perhaps in five years

    For a website where it's regularly been reinforced that time is meaningless in the world-of-the-spirit I could see no logic in claiming any measurable time frame for success. Based on what? Our unseen friends are not constrained by time as we mortals are. Unless an event is imminent, how can a time-frame be calculated by those for whom time has ceased to apply?

    We are told that spirit-side devices are already operating successfully and that our electronic communication devices can be used to link to their etheric counterparts. I can now accept that claim but I do question the logistics and the m.o.

    We were assured that the established mode of trans-dimensional communication did not need a human go-between or facilitator. Someone commonly known as a medium or channeler. That sounded very heartening and would be a distinctly different way from traditional mediumship. What I've read since, however, makes me question that claim but even if it's correct, are we really on the threshold of having an "....inter-dimensional telephone....that anyone can use"? Roberta says "the dead expect that within a decade we will have very reliable electronic communication between levels that anyone can use." So first it was a few months, then five years and now "within ten".

    I'm left wondering if I'll get to see on this side of the divide a device to achieve what's being claimed. And as for mil's thoughts in her last sentence above she make interesting points. If survival beyond death was unequivocally proven globally, might it not fundamentally undermine an important principle of this dimension - the uncertainty about what comes next?

    If we all categorically knew that every single one of us lives on beyond death, and everything else that goes along with that knowledge, what might be the outcome?
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  12. RobertaGrimes

    RobertaGrimes Administrator

    My dear, at one time I shared your worry that perhaps we really aren't meant to know these things. I felt compelled to write The Fun of Dying in 2009, but just before it was first published in August of 2010 I began to panic about my possibly revealing things that people are not supposed to know! I prayed on my knees that if my publishing that book was not God's will, I would please die right then so the book would never see print. Well, not only did God not take me up on that offer, but I have been used to educate the world about this stuff more and more intensively ever since. We have more recently been given to understand that the fact that people haven't known what was going on has led too many people to make negative and unloving choices, and as a result the spiritual vibration of this planet is so dangerously low that now its survival as a useful school is at stake. Accordingly, an intensive effort is underway to raise the planet's vibration, and quickly; and all this recent more intensive afterlife communication - and the development of possibilities for direct communication without a medium - are part of this process. So, yes, apparently we are indeed supposed to know this stuff. No question!
  14. Hello Mark, this reminds me of Plato's quote. "religion for the masses and rational for the elite"
  15. jimrich

    jimrich Active Member

    My thought is: To each his own! I am personally satisfied with all the many contacts Ive had with several Dis-incarnates but could never Prove it to anyone. IMO, it's not about proving anything so much as being satisfied that my loved ones are STILL ALIVE and WELL and for now, that is a happy fact for me.

    I would never consider a dream as "evidence" and do not have any thing else to offer as "evidence" so science is out for me right now.
    LOL, first of all, they are not "dead" which is why they can project life or personality into a connection. I "know" it's my wife or some relative through my intuition but could not demonstrate that to anyone. My late, medium wife, had the same "ability" so we never questioned each other's "intuitions" about things but then, we weren't scientists either.

    I'd recommend that you visit a Medium or two and have a real, personal talk with your beloved Dis-incarnate. I've been told that they YEARN to communicate with us Incarnates.

    I cannot prove it but I am quite certain that the signs and dreams I've experienced are NOT just imagined and that's as far as I can go with it.

    Well, that's up to this "we" and however they wish to protect their investigations. Please tell us about YOUR investigations and how YOU are protecting them.

    My experiences with Dis-incarnates are NOT about blind faith but, again, I cannot prove that to anyone. IMO, science fails where invisible energies are present but a Medium might have a better explanation than this. In the end, it comes down to what someone is willing to accept and go with, so, for me the Afterlife is real and can be experienced but I am not a Medium so that's as far as I can go for now. Maybe there is a Medium Scientist somewhere who can PROVE something to us about the Afterlife and Dis-incarnates, etc. I'd love to meet such a person.
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  16. jimrich

    jimrich Active Member

    And one way to have a direct experience would be to go sit with a Medium and make contact with a beloved Dis-incarnate FOR YOUR SELF. I'd apply that method to science as well, even if no machines and "tests" are brought into the Reading. My late, Medium, wife always tape recorded her sessions to send home with a client for future revelations clarity after the Reading.
  17. jimrich

    jimrich Active Member

    RobertaGrimes said:
    Dear Mark, the dead expect that within a decade we will have very reliable electronic communication between levels that anyone can use. Basically, an inter-dimensional telephone. Do you need some scientist to come up with rigorous proofs that when you ring up your best friend for a chat, that conversation is not happening in your imagination? No, right? And neither will we need to bother with scientists telling us that the communications we will be having electronically are real. We won't need scientists then for anything much, which is a good thing since the profession as a whole has covered itself with shame by refusing to investigate and only trying to debunk the afterlife evidence for more than a century!
    I don't know who this "we" is so I'll speak for my self here. I see no reason NOT to have communications nor do I completely understand why there is a "veil" between the dimensions. As for communications, I tend to be Codependent (a long psychological story) so, if I could talk with my late wife, Irene, any time I like, I'd probably have her on the "line" with me all day long, every day, telling me what to do next and how to do it, kind of like it was when she was an Incarnate over here. For me, it's best that I DO NOT have the ability or freedom to yak with her any old time I'm lonely, depressed or afraid because us Codependents can become a huge burden to our mates, living or in spirit. I'm guessing there is a "veil" to help us Incarnates experience our lives as fresh and surprising adventures and maybe to grow and expand in this dimension. It would be dull and boring, for me, to know what is going to happen next and never have a surprise party or amazing adventure because the information is always available. Those in the Afterlife seem able to see into the future but I am left with having to take my chances, run risks, use faith and hope, and succeed or fail - as I go along.
    Again, I don't know who this "we" is but I came here with little or no memory and don't currently know why. I suspect it's to have a new and surprising life adventure which would not be possible if I remembered all the details of my past but that's just a concept for me right now. Maybe it has something to do with learning and growing or maybe it's just to have a new and different adventure? Maybe it's unique to each one of us, starting with micro life and then up to the most advanced humans? I'll ask my late wife the nest time we talk.
  18. Zac

    Zac Member

    Have you listened to the Leslie Flint sittings? There were dozens of sittings between a husband and his deceased wife over 2 decades:


    I wish there were someone like Leslie Flint available today, but he went to the other side in 1994.
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  19. jimrich

    jimrich Active Member

    I have never heard Irene's actual voice from the other side (I always secretly record the Readings) but the over all character of those Readings are very similar to the Readings I've had with Irene so far. I'd love very much to have direct, voice communication with her but, as I said, I might become an irritating pest and she has a lot to do over there besides "baby sit" me over here. She has often "indicated" that she wants me to go to new and different places and see and do new and different things to both inspire me AND HER and not keep going over the same old boring routines and locations that we both enjoyed while she was on this side. Her interest in something new and different makes perfect sense to me so I am trying to step out of our old, familiar ruts. Thanks for the Leslie Flint link. It's very interesting and inspiring even though I've had close contact with Irene ever since she crossed over and am looking forward to contact with my late brother who crossed over just a few months ago. It's very exciting to know, first hand, that WE DON'T DIE!
  20. RobertaGrimes

    RobertaGrimes Administrator

    Thank you for mentioning these recorded sessions, Zac - they are truly extraordinary!

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