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What do you consider valid ADC?

Discussion in 'After-Death Communication' started by MarkZerafa, Dec 27, 2016.

  1. MarkZerafa

    MarkZerafa New Member

    Hello everyone.

    I have just lost someone extremely dear to me and its heartbreaking.

    I have been reading up on contact with the hereafter but I sincerely believe that purported communications such as dreams, smells and sensing the spirit of our dear departed are not valid. These can be easily explained away as pareidolia, autosuggestion and a dose of wishful thinking. I am sorry if this sounds blunt.

    The only thing that can do justice to the cause would be acquiring clear, no nonsense, objective and verifiable information. All else is vague and subject to psychology.

    What are your thoughts?
    Best wishes
    mark
     
  2. milahanna

    milahanna New Member

    I have the same concerns specially since I don't feel that I've received a sign.
     
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  3. MarkZerafa

    MarkZerafa New Member

    If we are to validate this field of research, such unconvincing scientifically unsound "evidence" needs to be completely disregarded. In fact citing this sort of non-phenomenon gives a bad reputation to what is possibly the most important research mankind can ever undertake. Perhaps this is one very important reason why the paranormal is not taken seriously by mainstream scientists. I don't blame them if we consider a mere dream as evidence. Of course we dream of our dead loved ones. Its to be expected. Nothing to write home about here.
     
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  4. mac

    mac Staff Member

    Earth sciences aren't applicable to trans-dimension communications. I regret to say that you're unlikely to find a scientifically-based proof that our loved ones live on in a dimension we know little about scientifically. If you're unable to accept evidence of survival and/or unable to accept the teachings of individuals widely seen as spiritually-advanced, then you may have a frustrating time ahead of you.

    I see it this way. If you're hurting desperately but only scientifically proven data is acceptable then you'll likely find little relief from the pain of bereavement by searching. If, however, you're prepared to consider others' testimonies and innumerable accounts of contact between 'us-and-them', then you may find at least some relief. You're not unique in your loss. Many have similar pain. You stand a good chance of moving forward because you're here, now, and talking about things.
     
  5. RobertaGrimes

    RobertaGrimes Administrator

    Dear friends, I wouldn't believe in this stuff either if the dead were not themselves confirming that this scent or that cloud of butterflies - or whatever - had come from them. I have seen these confirmations too many times for me to any longer doubt them.

    Mark and Milahanna and so many others here, you are new to this game. I have been doing this for fifty years, and I can tell you without equivocation that our core problem is that a hundred years ago mainstream scientific gatekeepers established materialism as the fundamental scientific "dogma," and since in fact now it is well established that nothing whatsoever is material, mainstream science has essentially gone off the rails. If you hope for help from science, you are hoping in vain! They will look at this evidence objectively only after we have shamed them into doing it, and that process may take a decade or two longer. Meanwhile, fortunately, the evidence is clear enough that you don't need them - you can do the science yourselves!
     
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  6. MarkZerafa

    MarkZerafa New Member

    Please do excuse my ignorance Roberta. I am trying to learn. How do the dead confirm that they are behind a scent or a a cloud of butterflies?
     
  7. MarkZerafa

    MarkZerafa New Member

    Thank you dear friends for sharing your insights.

    I am not saying that the evidence for survival is not there. I am saying that phenomena such as ITC and certain types of mediumship .. not least, physical mediumship may produce the kind of objective repeatable evidence required for absolute certainty. I have to say i have been positively impressed by Marcello Bacci's work. I think it is such lines of evidence that we need to pursue. Such evidence is not subject to "contamination" with our own psychology, drives and desires.
     
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  8. Ken

    Ken New Member

    Marcello is an interesting character but I would need someone like James Randi to check it out for me first. o_O
     
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  9. mac

    mac Staff Member

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    Compared with Roberta's 50 years of investigating/researching or George Cranley's encyclopaedic knowledge of physical mediumship and communication, someone who knew and sat with many physical mediums of those days, I'm just a beginner with just 32 years 'in the spooks'. I guess with every new generation new seekers emerge with the desire to 'prove' survival either to themselves and/or to others.... "Nothing new under the sun." is a saying I frequently use.

    At nearly 70 years old my tack has changed. Instead of immediately rising to the taunt "Prove that there's an afterlife." etc I'm minded simply to say "You PROVE there isn't and I'll change my approach."
     
  10. mac

    mac Staff Member

    Wouldn't you think Bacci has been investigated already?
     

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