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Ultimate judgment

Discussion in 'Spiritual Growth & Development' started by Shabse, Dec 12, 2011.

  1. RobertaGrimes

    RobertaGrimes Administrator

    Wonderful thread, dear friends! And I think that perhaps everyone is right. We are told by upper-level beings that our earthbound kind of black-and-white thinking really doesn't apply in the greater reality, so (for example) Shabse's beautifully expressed views based in Jewish teachings and Andrew's great evidence-based points are probably in harmony after all ;-).

    I want to add, dear Shabse, that it is wonderful of you to share your Judaism-based teachings here. It's so good to know all of this! Many people think that Judaism doesn't talk about (or even believe in) an afterlife, when in fact there are rich and complex ancient teachings that are for the most part not inconsistent with the afterlife evidence. And Christian readers need to remember that in fact Jesus shared your religion. At root, indeed, we all are one!
  2. There's a terrific Swedish film called As It Is In Heaven. I recommend it. It's about a composer and orchestra conductor who's goal it is in life to open the hearts of people - to help them to transform. And he goes back to the small village he grew up in and under an assumed name volunteers to take over the church choir and teach people to sing honestly and from the heart. Some people, notably the legalistic minister of the church, become threatened by this. There's a scene where the wife of the preacher, who's been repressed by her husband, sees the light and has it out with her husband. She tells him that what he's been teaching is wrong - that God doesn't forgive because God doesn't judge in the first place. It's the church that judges and forgives - it teaches sin with one hand and forgiveness with the other hand. She goes on to tell him that there is no sin to forgive - it's just a way of enslaving people with the fear of judgement and retribution/punishment...especially in the afterlife. I think that's correct.
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  3. RobertaGrimes

    RobertaGrimes Administrator

    My husband and I watched this movie on Netflix last evening, on wonderful Gypsy's recommendation. I agree - it's great! It teaches all the right lessons, it's wonderfully acted and directed, and the characters live on in your mind. There are very few movies that both my shoot-em-up, no-girlie-flicks-please husband and I can agree that we both enjoyed, and this was one of them - highly recommended!!
  4. Birki

    Birki Member

    Thanks GypsyBlue and Roberta for the movie rec - glad to know it is on Netflix.
  5. Forgiving others can be highly liberating. Forgiving yourself, on the other hand, is one of the hardest things to do. I personally don't think it matters if it happens in this life or the next. Either way, when you open your eyes to negative things you have done in your life (no matter how insignificant they may seem), finding a way to forgive yourself is a very difficult task. You may feel that it's almost a cop-op to forgive yourself, because you feel you need to learn some lesson from what you have done to ensure it doesn't happen again. Or you feel you need to be actually punished for what you have done. You just don't feel as though you deserve to be forgiven by yourself or anyone.

    So if there is a lesson to be taken from this, perhaps it's that there is no better time than the present to open your eyes to how you've lived and how you can improve, not only for yourself but for others.
  6. RobertaGrimes

    RobertaGrimes Administrator

    Dear AllieMarie, I agree with you completely! In fact, the evidence is pretty compelling that learning to forgive ourselves is a primary reason for our earthly lives - it is the most difficult, but also the most important thing that we ever will do. In my experience, forgiving ourselves is much easier - indeed, it is even possible - if we first learn how to forgive others. No matter what they do, no matter how we feel about them, our task is to learn to forgive everyone else automatically and completely. As Jesus says, "Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven." (LK 6:37) Great insight - thank you ;-)!
  7. In Freudian terms the inner critic or judge is part of the Super Ego. It's a normal part of every human mind. We also call it our conscience.

    (Con Science...isn't that interesting? As if we con ourselves into believing thoughts about ourselves that we, through scientific observation, know are not true.)

    I'm more accepting of my inner critic or inner judge than I used to be but I still don't like it very much. It sometimes keeps me from being spontaneous and keeps me fearful of being ridiculed or laughed at. I got a lot of that growing up.

    But it's just mind. Just thought. So I try not to pile on thought after thought after thought when my inner judge is active. I cut the story short if I can rather than letting it run on and on in auto-pilot mode. I try not to feed it.

    There's a Native American story I find helpful to keep in mind.

    A grandfather or grandmother was teaching his/her grandson/granddaughter about life:

    "We each have two wolves doing battle inside us. One is a vicious, fearful, judgemental and angry wolf. The other is a courageous, encouraging, loving and wise wolf."

    The child asked: "Which one will win?"

    The answer given was: "Whichever one we feed the most."
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  8. RobertaGrimes

    RobertaGrimes Administrator

    Thank you for sharing that story, dear wonderful Gypsy! I love it, and I love it especially because it is advanced teaching put so simply that everyone immediately understands it ;-).
  9. When it comes to apologies and forgiveness (I am speaking of those in this life rather than the next life), do you necessarily have to be standing in front of someone to forgive or apologize in order to improve? For example, if there is someone you have wronged in the past and your want to apologize to them but have no contact with them and don't know where they are, is it still possible to apologize to them in your heart? Sometimes we have to let people go in our lives because it's no possible or positive- for many reasons- to keep in contact with them. I think that apologizing to someone else is positive because then at least they know you're thinking of them and the wrong you caused, but sometimes trying to apologize can backfire too.

    There is a person I received an email from this morning, someone I hadn't spoken to in a long time. And while I welcomed the communication, for some reason the idea of speaking with him filled me with such negative emotions. I figured out that it's probably all on me and I need to be able to let go of certain things that happened years ago. But I don't look forward to keeping in contact with him. And I find that upsetting.
  10. RobertaGrimes

    RobertaGrimes Administrator

    Dear AllieMarie, we are supposed to be kind but we are not expected to be doormats ;-). If you don't want to be in contact with someone, then you can politely decline that contact. And if you don't feel comfortable apologizing to someone in person, then you can of course apologize in your heart. Reality is not legalistic! Actually, forgiving people is more important than asking their forgiveness - and if you do good forgiveness work, you are likely to feel forgiven yourself. Simply hold in your mind one by one a clear image of someone with whom you feel any sort of discord or stress, and to each in your mind say, "You are Christ, pure and innocent. All is forgiven and released." And mean it! Then move on to the next such face. Do this once every day for a week or two, and you should find your stressful feelings associated with these people lessening considerably. Good luck with this, dear friend!

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