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Types With Fingers's Gospel Commentary

Discussion in 'Spiritual Growth & Development' started by Types With Fingers, Jun 23, 2015.

  1. Hi guys, for those of you who don't know, I've been wrestling with an intense spiritual crisis for the past few months, where I dearly want to believe in something, but I simply don't know what's true. For me, I WANT to believe in hypersalvation, where this all-loving god doesn't care what religion you are, where our purpose is to love and learn, and hell is a temporary state, but I need to KNOW it's true.

    To me it made sense a while back to read the Bible from the beginning. Well, that went over as well as dropping bricks on a cup of yogurt. I was not aware of how much violence there is in the Old Testament, how quick the OT God was to punish for minor infractions, and how many times He ordered what today would be considered crimes against humanity. I was shocked, to say the least. The worst part is, I don't know how to disprove that this isn't the real God, because I don't know who IS the real God.

    One of our members recommended I read only the Gospels, being that the teachings of Jesus were supposed to match what we learned from NDEs and mediums. This has been hard for me, because the pain from reading the OT was so tremendous that I was afraid to read anything else. Then, I thought, maybe if I put on here my thoughts of what I was reading for discussion, it would make it easier for me to read it. So please, be civil.

    Anyway, the first thing that caught my eye was, the beginning of Matthew, it starts with a genealogy of Jesus, but beginning with Abraham, and not Adam. Why is that?

    I also noted the importance that's placed on dreams. Joseph ws told in a dream to do things, and he did them. It's interesting, because we talk a lot about the importance of dreams, loved ones sending us messages and all. I've been asking Jesus day and night to show me he's real, and nothings happened, maybe I ought to try asking for him to appear in my dreams?

    By the way, how is naming the baby Jesus fulfilling the prophecy of naming the Messiah Emmanuel? Is Jesus the Greek equivalent of Emmanuel?
  2. RobertaGrimes

    RobertaGrimes Administrator

    Dear friend, I have read the OT at least a dozen times. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the genuine God. Jesus Himself said that the Gospels replace the entire OT, so you can throw that away! And the NT after the Gospels is the work of a first-century man creating a first-century religion... which, appallingly, still is practiced today. But JESUS brought us the genuine word of God, and as God is eternal, so also the Gospels are eternal. I am so sorry that you are having this crisis, dear wonderful friend, but Jesus can fix it for you. Read ONLY the red letters in the Gospels! Nothing else in the Bible has anything to do with the genuine God.
  3. But if that's the case, why bother reading Jesus's teachings at all? How do we know Jesus brought us the word of God if it can't be reconciled with the Old Testament? As you say, Jesus said he came to fulfill the OT, but he also said not one letter of the law would pass until he came. Doesnt that mean we still have to look at the OT?
  4. bluebird

    bluebird Regular Contributor

    Have you considered looking into faiths other than Christianity? There are many, many other possibilities.
  5. Hi bluebird, I've thought about it, and that presents another problem. There are so many faiths! Why? Why would a god allow so much confusion?

    The truth is, I'm looking into Christianity because of its prevalence here in the US. There are some very loud voices here, and what I'm looking for is one that's louder than them all.
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  6. RobertaGrimes

    RobertaGrimes Administrator

    I am not prepared to go into it now, but I am writing a book which will be out in the fall and explains all of this. We can independently verify that the ONLY part of the Bible that is real and from God is the Gospels. For now, I hope that you will take my word for it; I'll send you a copy of my book when it's published!
  7. Wow,, thank you, Roberta, I'm grateful and excited. I guess I'll hold off on my questions until the book comes out!
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  8. bluebird

    bluebird Regular Contributor

    Well I'm the wrong one to ask about why god would allow so much confusion -- for the most part I'm essentially an atheist, and if there is a god I despise it. If there is a god, I think it has done a poor job of setting things up, and the confusion you mention would be just one more sign of that.

    However, there is also the human component. If there is a god, each human is likely to look at it in a different way, and while like-minded people may group together (into various religions, denominations, etc.), they are also likely to get a lot of it wrong, as well as likely to be led astray by the various religious figures of their day (who, too often, have their own political and other agendas).

    I'm not sure I understand why you are looking into Christianity just because its proponents may be the loudest here in the U.S. -- why is that a selling point for you, so to speak? I'm not saying that Christianity doesn't have value, or that the bible doesn't have value, but they are by far the only faith and sacred text that do. If you find that Christianity appeals to you, that the ideas and ideals it espouses seem right to you, then by all means pursue it -- but that is the only reason why you should pursue it (or any other faith), in my opinion. Maybe if you looked into a number of different faiths that would help you to find one that you feel is right for you, or at least provide some clarification for you. I wish you luck in your search, in any case.
  9. I totally understand, and thank you, let me clarify: There is no selling point. The reason I'm looking into Christianity first is because some people in some states are passing or trying to pass bills into law that are based on the Bible, others are trying to strike down laws that contradict the Bible, and some want schools to be more Bible-based. This poses two questions: 1) why, deep down, do I disagree with these movements, and 2) is something false simply because I disagree with it?

    The answer to the first question is, I'm jealous of their certainty and resentful of my own ignorance. I don't want to live a lie, because living a lie means wasting your life, and I don't want that. I also don't know enough of the Bible to refute the orthodox and conservatives, and meanwhile I don't have the personal experience to confirm it, nor any other sacred text. But people are using the Bible to try to control America, and so I need to take a stand at some point, for one side or another, and that means being informed... which I'm not.

    As far as the second question goes, that's why I'm here. Since Jesus or Buddha or Joseph Smith hasn't popped into my room to help me out, I have no direction to go in, and so to me nothing is false or true, so even if I disagree with something, that opinion is baseless and empty. Nothing is false, even if I don't like it, which is an unsustainable position.
  10. Carol and Mikey

    Carol and Mikey Golden Hearts

    Hi Types,

    The one thing Mikey wants you to know is that it is not about religion at the end of the day. It is about love! What we believe and what religion we follow does not have much influence on us from a spiritual standpoint when we return Home. It is how we are as an individual. How we act and treat others. Are we kind? Helpful? Positive in our ways? Sincere and true? Just being nice goes a long way! :) Basically the golden rule to treat others as you would want to be treated is it! Mikey tells me there is nothing wrong with religion IF love is the basis and there is not judgment or ridicule of someone else who does not believe the same thing. We need to be respectful of each other when it comes to faith / religion. Think of what a nice place the world would be if this actually happened?! :)
    Carol and Mikey "in Spirit"

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