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Thomas Jefferson's views on Jesus

Discussion in 'Spiritual Growth & Development' started by Goldie, Jun 4, 2017.

  1. mac

    mac Staff Member

    Would you post that appendix here please, Roberta? I'd like to read the details you guys are debating. :)
  2. RobertaGrimes

    RobertaGrimes Administrator

    Mac, Gene has emailed me to talk about this so I don't think he wants to continue to debate it here. And the appendix is too long to post, but if you would like a PDF of the book just let me know and I will send it to you!
  3. mac

    mac Staff Member

    fair enough, Robera and thanks - I understand that Gene doesn't want further public debate on this subject.

    And yes please, I would like a copy of the text for my own illumination of the aspects you've been discussing with Gene. Would you please use my regular email address to send it as an attachment?
  4. genewardsmith

    genewardsmith Active Member

    Actually, I emailed you by accident. Sorry about that. :(
  5. genewardsmith

    genewardsmith Active Member

    This is what I had intended to post here:

    I'm afraid you have a completely wrong idea about who Bart Ehrman is. While he used to be a Christian, he no longer is one, and in fact is a "agnostic atheist". He is, however, a highly regarded scholar and an expert on early church history.

  6. kim

    kim Regular Contributor

    I agree with you Roberta! I feel that when The Bible was canonized it was considered to be the inspired word of God, but we have matured since then, and it is time we begin to look at another avenue to find not the inspired, but the actual word of God. I feel it is in all of his creation. Especially us, since we have a mind like no other creature He created
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  7. RobertaGrimes

    RobertaGrimes Administrator

    Gene, if your oncologist emphatically no longer believed in cancer, would you still trust him to seek the objective truth in treating your illness? I have read him - he was a Biblical scholar with a very distinct point of view; and the fact that someone with a mind so closed actually has stopped believing altogether does not surprise me. That someone I used to consider biased and therefore dishonest nevertheless continues to present himself as an expert in something in which he no longer believes does not surprise me either, and it certainly confirms my long-ago feeling that he is not to be trusted on much.

    The personal beliefs of a scholar should not be important anyway, but rather his closed-minded dogmatism is the issue. And I am curious about why converting me to your personal belief is so important to YOU. Why do you care? My own understanding of the truth is independent of anything that any church council said or did, but rather it is based in the literal facts that (a) the Bible is internally self-contradictory; (b) the God presented there is frequently barbaric; (c) we are in touch now with people we used to think were dead who actually know the truth, and they tell us that Christianity is simply wrong as a belief-system; and (d) Christianity does not follow the Gospel teachings of Jesus. How we ended up with a false belief-system now followed by literally billions of people really doesn't matter all that much, does it? But rather, what matters is discerning and following the TRUTH.
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  8. genewardsmith

    genewardsmith Active Member

    I was simply interested in a factual claim. It has nothing to do with personal beliefs or converting people.
  9. bluebird

    bluebird Major Contributor

    In my opinion, that was pretty clear from your posts (that you were interested in a factual claim and were not trying to convert or convince anyone of anything, that is).
  10. Janet

    Janet New Member

    Roberta, everything in your book resonated with me.....I have loved Jesus my whole life but like you, the older I got, the less the traditional teachings of Christianity made sense! I love Jesus and your book helped me make sense out of my garbled thoughts! xo

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