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The "Other" Use for ITC

Discussion in 'After-Death Communication' started by Andrew, Jun 18, 2016.

  1. Andrew

    Andrew Guest

    Hi Everyone!

    I found this interview with Sonia Rinaldi on YouTube today, and I thought that many here would find it interesting. We've spent a great deal of time recently discussing the work that Sonia and Craig are doing with ITC, and how it will put us into contact with our deceased loved ones--but there is actually another purpose that Sonia in particular is currently exploring. She is beginning to use ITC in order to help embodied, disabled people to communicate. For example, in the video, she mentions helping to connect a pair of parents with their child, who suffers from non-verbal autism. Illnesses like autism and Alzheimer's exist within the brain, meaning that the person's mind and personality remain unaffected, and that he or she is perfectly capable of communicating with the help of ITC.

    (The interview is in Brazilian Portuguese. There are English subtitles, but they aren't great because they are automatically provided by Google. I've just requested permission to publish a subtitled version myself for English speakers, and I'm currently waiting to hear back from the content owner.)

    [video=youtube;0WcURydJj1g]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WcURydJj1g[/video]
     
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  2. mac

    mac Staff Member

    I'll wait for your translation, Andrew, and hope you get permission. I came into contact with this notion - or rather a similar one - a few years back when (husband) Dennis O'Connor was writing in an online forum about his wife Georgia. I think she's pretty well known as a medium in the USA.

    The suggestion was that mediumship could enable certain mediums to contact the spirit of an individual who was unable to communicate in any way, such as in a persistent vegetative state or other coma. Strictly that's not mediumship which is transdimensional communication but that's not important. If some psychically sensitive practitioners can indeed communicate in the way suggested it might be a hugely helpful breakthrough in helping this sad situation.

    Enquiries around my regular forum contacts revealed that there was nothing new in that technique - it was known about from the past. Sadly, though, I wasn't able to turn up many actual accounts and no-one seemed interested in being involved that way.

    It's a puzzle, though, how the device used in ITC could be used by the animating spirit of an incarnate, albeit one who is unable to communicate physically. As we're told the device is situated somewhere in the higher spiritual levels the animating spirit of such an individual would not only have to navigate its way into the etheric level(s) but would also have to travel to the higher level where the station is located. Perhaps in such coma situations the animating spirit is more free to move than when deepy involved with the physical shell, the way most spirits presumably are other than during sleep.

    Not suggesting it couldn't be done but a good explanation would be helpful.
     
  3. RobertaGrimes

    RobertaGrimes Administrator

    There is no "place," dear. No distance. From an earthly perspective, everything is exactly where we are, but only at higher vibrations! I am coming to theorize that since the estimable figures who are developing the North American Station tell us that they are in the highest realms (apparently the sixth level), while regular dead folks communication through the Station use it readily even though they might be at just Level Three or Level Four, then the Station itself must be on all levels. Not difficult to imagine, when you realize that they are all in the same place but only at different vibrations. And the same would go for the etheric realms that we visit during sleep, and that those in comas or otherwise impaired also can easily visit. To think of it differently, although they tell us it seems physical to them, the North American Station may be something like a state of mind. We are learning that just our thoughts can summon them to it so they can use it to communicate with us. The physics of the non-material is so very different from the physics that we are experiencing now!
     
  4. mac

    mac Staff Member


    Language again lets us down. The words 'place' and 'distance' are simply shorthand for aspects tricky to describe, hard to visualize.... Similarly there are no "highest realms" or numbered 'levels'. Again they're shorthand because our words can't adequately describe the true situation.

    For many years I haven't had any difficulty picturing all dimensions and levels occupying the same 'location' but many seekers of understanding may view numbered levels and 'higher vibrations' as linear. I have never thought of life in the etheric dimensions taking place on numbered levels of existence. I mention them only in the context of others' ideas.

    When raising the points I did I had simply been listening to the way the ITC station's 'location' has been described. How it's 'far' enough from the so-called lower levels that mischief-makers - discarnates with limited spiritual progress - are unable to interfere, aren't able to operate at the different frequency.

    As for visits in sleep we don't know exactly where our animating spirits actually can go when they're visiting the next dimension. Why assume those spirits will know how to locate the building where these communication devices are being used? And a building with tables and machines is how it's been described so why suppose it's something like a state of mind?

    You don't know, I don't know, what freedom to leave this physical dimension is enjoyed by any individual animating spirit of someone affected by PVS or in coma. The degree of freedom likely corresponds to the overall spiritual progress of the individual affected. In human form we are each at differing levels of spiritual awareness and so will be our animating spirits. What we do know is that our spirits are presently not as free to roam and interact with discarnates as they will be after our corporeal death.

    As yet we don't know if our thoughts can simply summon 'the dead' as you like to say. The dead will engage if they choose to engage or else the principle of personal freewill would be violated.

    As for physics 'over-there' being different than physics here I'm pleased to see that after many times of my raising this subject on ALF you're at last acknowledging that the sciences of the dimensions may be very different one from another. Perhaps one day you'll accept that we know almost nothing about the sciences of the world of the spirit because we've been told almost nothing by our unseen friends - the dead.
     
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  5. Andrew

    Andrew Guest

    I don't know, but I don't think that the living communicators are using the Stations, Mac--I believe Sonia is just using "regular" ITC to contact them. That's speculation on my part, but I think it makes sense that they would be communicating to her from the earthbound plane. Those in comas, for example, are often aware of their surroundings, but it seems doubtful that they could leave the earth entirely to access the Stations while the silver cord is intact. (However, it's perhaps worth noting that other physical beings can and do use the Stations to contact us.) Another theory of mine, albeit it a less likely one, is that Sonia is contacting their higher selves, which would "be" in the Summerland levels.

    And the issue of distance and spacing in the afterlife levels is certainly more complicated than we likely can imagine, but one spirit author gave what I think is the best explanation of this issue that a mortal could understand. She said that the various spheres are not different "places"--they are actually different mental states, and the law of attraction groups all spirits with other like-minded individuals. It's the internal thoughts of these groups that creates what they understand as being their external environment. When those in Spirit visit a different level than their own, the author said, they are looking into another mentality; the actual travel is illusory.
     
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