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The Irrefutable Proof Question

Discussion in 'After-Death Communication' started by AmbraADC, Jan 1, 2017.

  1. AmbraADC

    AmbraADC Banned

    When I first came to this forum, I just needed to share what I was going through. I never thought I would find people who are struggling with what they believe. I guess I thought I'd just run into people who have experienced similar things to me, and perhaps have figured it all out.

    My original question was can a spirit be with you every day? And in hindsight, I knew the answer to that question, before I asked. I was just feeling somewhat overwhelmed by my daily experiences, and needed to share my story with someone.

    I've read posts on here by some people who have had experiences, but still aren't convinced that they're real. For sure, there is no irrefutable truth. In the 35 years total that I've had experiences, I still struggle with is it all real?

    I have had a handful of experiences in those 35 years where I was given information about my life, that I could verify with real events. That certainly has helped. I have read books and had the reaction that the experiences in them sound ridiculous, until I realize I've had similar experiences!

    All I can say is that the books will comfort you, and help you get through each day with your experiences, or your questions, until it's your turn to die and find out for yourself ... and then perhaps be a spirit who is frustrated because they cannot contact their loved ones as well as they'd like.

    Every day since Feb. 27/16, my beloved L has made at least one appearance to me per day, or kissed me on the lips out of nowhere, or had sex with me in an amazing amount of creative ways. He has comforted me when I'm upset in ways that I could have never anticipated. And yet sometimes I still pray to God and tell him that I hope L is not a fake or an evil spirit, and I hope that God approves of L being with me. And then I go back to being thankful that I have the love and joy that L brings me.

    L has gotten somewhat creative in helping me to believe in him. Like when he was here day after day and I started to become complacent, he disappeared for a bit, so that I could compare and contrast my experiences. Recently, he foreshadowed a future event, and I was left amazed and how he did that.

    I wish I could give you all irrefutable proof, and I wish I could have irrefutable proof too. But it's not going to happen. So with faith I stay. I have faith in God, faith in L, faith that tomorrow will be okay, faith that my transition to the afterlife will be okay. Faith is all we have about many subjects. Faith is all there is.

  2. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    Do you believe that lessons alone can turn one into a medium?
  3. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    Hello Ambra

    It's impossible to prove but if lessons led to an individual becoming a medium who could reasonably say that the attribute wasn't there already, latent in that individual?

    My question to Julie, the one that appears to have prompted her withdrawal from these discussion boards, leave me wondering why. For someone offering to teach/lead/coach others I find it an odd situation that she'd choose not to answer what I'd asked. One might wonder what the purpose of her visiting this website was.

    Two statements then. Is it that you don't believe it could happen or is it because you choose not to allow or try it? Clearly no-one could help you learn to become a medium if you refused that help but that's not the same as your believing you couldn't learn.

    What do you believe / what have you been taught that a medium is or does? Is it a negative thing (in your eyes) to display mediumistic attributes? Is your god a loving god? Would that loving god stop loving you if you were trying to help others?

    Is your god a loving god? If so, why would that god condemn or criticise you unless you had used your attributes in a negative way?
  4. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    That answer had a lot of words but I don't know if they replied to what I'd asked.....
  5. AmbraADC

    AmbraADC Banned

    Yes I replied in detail. Please read carefully :)
  6. RobertaGrimes

    RobertaGrimes Administrator

    AmbraADC, again I must ask you to help us keep this forum entirely religion-free. You have plenty of places on the Internet where you can discuss whatever it is that you believe, and since there is no religion - Christianity especially included - that is consistent with what the afterlife evidence now indicates to be true, we don't want to confuse readers who have come here seeking the evidential truth without a religious taint.

    In particular, we want to remind people that in fact the Bible does not indicate that consulting spirits is wrong! For example:

    "Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world." (1 JN 4:1) This grounding and protection and testing of communicating spirits is in fact essential! But even the Christian Bible assumes that we will be communicating with those that we used to think were dead, and it's the craven clergy who have made up the notion that God doesn't like it, in order to instill fear in their flocks. Which is despicable.
  7. AmbraADC

    AmbraADC Banned

    Thank you for not making me feel welcome. I will leave.
  8. AmbraADC

    AmbraADC Banned

    Saying a few words about Christianity is hardly promoting religion. Get the stick out of your ass!
  9. AmbraADC

    AmbraADC Banned

    Please delete the rest of my posts and my account, since the delete function is gone on some of my posts. You should say at the top of the forum in big letters that views which oppose that of the forum owner, Roberta Grimes, are not welcome. That should keep most people out !!!

    I guess you think you're god with your views or something, get over it !!!
  10. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    I always try to read carefully but I'm not in the business of reading screeds. KISS is my maxim - Keep It Simple Sweetie. I appreciate others who subscribe to the same maxim.
  11. AmbraADC

    AmbraADC Banned

    And for the record Roberta, I read all 3 of your books, and disagreed with all 3 of them. Anyone who throws the rest of the Bible away, and keeps just Christ, is WRONG, plain and simple. Yet I stayed for awhile and tried to tolerate your wrong views. I don't care how many years you've been doing this, you are not any kind of authoritative voice on these matters. People have their own views, and always will. Get the HELL OVER YOURSELF !!!
  12. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    oops! Someone becoming tetchy?
  13. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    For balance, assuming you're still around to read this, Ambra, Roberta and I often don't see eye-to-eye yet I'm still here and still presenting my alternative approach to many matters.

    I don't plug my own religion and agree with Roberta that others shouldn't plug theirs. That doesn't stop you presenting your view, of course.
  14. RobertaGrimes

    RobertaGrimes Administrator


    If you do not immediately stop attacking those who disagree with your personal religious views, you will be banned. If you feel that you must attack others, then you might spare all of us any further unpleasantness and simply leave.
  15. AmbraADC

    AmbraADC Banned

    Did you not read above where I said to delete all my posts and my account? PLEASE BAN ME. It would be an honor to be banned from a lunatic assylum run by a heretic !!!
  16. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    If you can't abide by the rules you signed up to when you joined as a member then you need to go away to learn self-control. For now you should consider just walking away until you have. :rolleyes:
  17. AmbraADC

    AmbraADC Banned

    I can control myself just fine. PLEASE DELETE MY ACCOUNT AND ALL MY POSTS. I will not participate in a forum where my views are not welcome.
  18. AmbraADC

    AmbraADC Banned

    As I wrote above, I do not agree with Roberta Grimes books, and that is not going to change. And I am not going to edit my beliefs, because it could offend Roberta Grimes, who is a self-appointed authority on a subject that has no irrefutable proof and has many view points written about it. That also will never happen.

  19. RobertaGrimes

    RobertaGrimes Administrator

    Your views are very welcome here! But your (a) attacking other members for expressing their own views and (b) repeatedly preaching your religious beliefs to others is disrespectful and therefore against this forum's rules. If you can't resist, then sadly I must agree that this website probably is not a good fit for you. But everyone here wishes you well!
  20. RobertaGrimes

    RobertaGrimes Administrator

    And Jesus wept.
  21. AmbraADC

    AmbraADC Banned

    I did not attack anyone, and I never REPEATEDLY preached my religious beliefs. I state my beliefs, and people can think what they will. I have never tried to convince anyone of my beliefs.. You obviously don't read closely enough, and that alone is another reason to leave.

    "If I can't resist," are you on drugs, or just stupid? I know what I've done, and I know what I've said. And I can easily see that your responses, show that you haven't read what I've said carefully. So on top of everything else, you are not listening to me. Actually that is the pinnacle of the problem.

    But why listen when you know everything eh? When you know everything why do you have to listen to anyone else. I don't care what you make of my beliefs, I don't give a rats ass. At the same time, I will NOT EDIT MY BELIEFS at all, because you are closed-minded, and do not read what I wrote carefully, and you make false accusations.

    You have your own ideas, and they are cult-like, and this forum is your expression of your cult mentality. And I'll have no part of it.

  22. RobertaGrimes

    RobertaGrimes Administrator

    Oh my. Is it possible that your telling me to get over myself and get the stick out of my whatever doesn't seem to you to be attacks on me? (How on earth do you treat people with whom you disagree in your personal life?) And to continue to state your religious beliefs as fact even after having been asked a number of times to stop doing that because it violates our rules seems to you not to be "repeatedly" doing it? No one here has asked you to "edit" your beliefs, but rather we ask that no one ever express religious beliefs in this religion-free zone. We learned early in this forum's life that this rule was essential, or else people would be arguing beliefs and not discussing evidence and that would be useless to the visitors who come here seeking bias-free information.

    Heh - I think that our wonderful and much-beloved Mac and Bluebird in particular must be giggling internally at your thought that I am leading a cult, when they disagree with me all the time and I am happy to respect our differences! I frankly don't care how much their views differ from mine, because they treat me with the kindness and respect that I show to them; indeed, I value our differences. They are both longstanding members here who have helped many people, done incomparable good, and never turned our differences into personal attacks against me when I won't simply accept their beliefs.

    We never delete members' accounts (frankly, I wouldn't even know how to do it). When people stop posting, their accounts go inactive. And since you have engaged in dialogues with others, I can't delete your posts unless I remove whole threads. If other members want me to do that, they will let me know that is what they want; but for now, it might be best for you simply to leave us in peace and with our love and blessings.
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  23. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    It's plain that you either can't, or won't, and SHOUTING is a clear sign of that. And if you won't participate in discussions unless it's on your conditions then the obvious thing to do is leave the discussion forums.
  24. milahanna

    milahanna Member

    Oh my...slowly walking back out...
  25. RobertaGrimes

    RobertaGrimes Administrator

    No need, dear! You are loved and your participation is always helpful. It is unfortunate indeed that once in awhile - although luckily, not so much lately - people will join us who have experience on other forums where apparently more bellicose behavior is common. This forum is our collective gift to seekers, so we simply can't allow anyone to attack anyone else! When we were more lax about this, someone like our poor friend AmbraADC could clear the entire forum of participants within days.
  26. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    Yet again YOU'RE SHOUTING!

    Best you just leave this discussion forums website as you are plainly unprepared to subscribe to the basic rules of good behavior we all signed up to.

    I hope Roberta doesn't give in to your absurd demands to ban you or to delete your account and postings. They're a lesson for anyone else so inclined in how not to behave in adult company.

    The ball's in your court - join us in a proper manner or leave us.
    Last edited: Jan 15, 2017
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