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suicide discussions and national helplines (renamed 05-18)

Discussion in 'General Afterlife Discussions' started by RobertaGrimes, Feb 1, 2015.

  1. RobertaGrimes

    RobertaGrimes Administrator

    Bluebird, I've been thinking of what you've said in this thread all day, because, believe it or not, I've thought many of the thoughts you shared here, and I was surprised how exact they were to my own. I know my posts may not have given that impression, but that's the beauty of the internet.

    Let me start with this: committing suicide is like dropping a black hole on everyone you know. It doesn't just rip everything that's good out of your closest friends and family, it reaches out with inky black tentacles to infect every soul connected with them; people you never knew; people you could've known, the course of whose lives are all forever and violently altered. Whatever problems you had in life, in death you shove them tenfold onto the survivors.

    Most will eventually endure this, deal with it, and adapt to a new normal, but not all. Some people become utterly destroyed, struck by constant, back-to-back nights of terror, despair, rage, dread, existential angst, and other maladies-- especially suicidal thoughts; their entire worldview obliterated, leaving them a hopelessly lost, battered, sinking lifeboat in the middle of an uncaring ocean. I'm not being poetic to be lighthearted, it's the best way to describe my own experience. I'm the survivor of a person who committed suicide. I'm destroyed and struggling to rebuild myself. So I can tell you with confidence that should you find the opportunity to kill yourself: DON'T. Would the pain you feel now pale in comparison to the pain others would feel if you end your life? Would you want others to feel the way you feel, or worse? I'm not even talking about the afterlife consequences, because I honestly don't know if there's an afterlife in which there will be consequences. I'm just talking about the consequences in this world, and, like a black hole, the true answer to those questions is that you can never know how much destruction such an action you're talking about would cause unless you let it loose. Don't.

    I know that's not what you want to hear, because it's not what I would want to hear. I know. Words like, "I'm sorry for your loss," or "it'll get better in time," or (God forbid) "tis better to have loved and lost than..." are empty cartridges. I get that you think you have nothing to live for, that you have no future, no hope. I get that, truly, because I feel like that all the time. Before my friend killed himself, I had just finished spending the previous three-plus years of my life experiencing every single friend I ever made in college and grade school, and virtually every member of my very large family, turn their backs on me and leave me, one by one, all of them, when I went to them for help. I had been rejected by dozens of companies for dozens of jobs on a weekly basis, with no help from the regular sources. I had been used, mocked, and abandoned by the very people I thought I could rely on for support and growth, when I just only wanted the happiness they had. The woman for whom I would've married in a heartbeat said I was ugly and that she never wanted me to contact her again. And of course, there were the other massive mistakes I made, which I deeply regret, and which haunt me to this day, along with my entire past. The point is, I had already watched all my hopes and dreams fade into oblivion when the storm actually hit.

    So when I found out my friend was no more, I suffered several excruciating emotional breakdowns. What he did was so... alien... to me, and he made it seem so.. easy... my mind couldn't grasp it, and it collapsed. All the bad moments of my life, all the mistakes I ever made in my life, were thrust to the front of my memory, like a mockery of a life review. They terrorized and paralyzed me. I dearly wanted to die, though I didn't have the conviction to do it myself. I was afraid to die, and terrified to live. I cried, and screamed, and thrashed, and felt chills and sweats, and suffered fiery pains inside my body, and all the while watched with great resentment as everyone around me got to move forward in their lives while I couldn't move an inch in any direction without severe punishment. I privately prayed to God for help; please, give me guidance, I asked. Why lead me to this? What was the point of it all? Is this how it was supposed to be? Am I where You want me to be? Where do You want me to go from here? So many questions.

    That was months ago... I haven't gotten anything to this day. Not a sign in the sky, not a feather on the floor, not a lucid dream, or an OBE, or anything like anything on here at all. I still feel exactly the same things I just described, and still get nothing. I wake up every day and go to work, thinking about how it's going to be a waste of life because I don't know what to do with myself, and I'm just consuming resources like a virus. I'm in torment. I know it's unsustainable, there's no way I can stay like this for the next sixty years. Some days, I wake up a devout atheist. Other days, I think, maybe there's an all-loving god, and a sensible, grand scheme, loving point to this nightmare. There are also days I wake up and think there is a god, but He doesn't like me, and that's why he hasn't helped me. Then there's my friend who died. I'm not a loved one or a close friend, so maybe it's even harder for him to give me a sign, or maybe he has less reason to be interested.

    So I'm really all alone. If I have a guardian angel, or spirit guides, or a whole platoon of spiritual agents at my side 24/7, they've done a crackerjack job at making themselves known to me. I'm tired, and angry, and afraid, and I tell this to God/myself/the air all the time, and I finish my thoughts with a little prayer of, "I'm lost, and I want to go Home. I'll go where You want me to go, even if I don't want to go there, as long as I know it's where You want me to go, and as long as it gets me Home. Please help me. Amen." Does it help? Lord knows. All I know is each day I find a little something to distract me and give me a little happiness. Food. This forum. My dog. Video games. It's slow. It's painful. It's unfair. I do it anyway.

    But I'm telling you all this, bluebird, because I think it's okay for you to feel the way you feel. You're not alone in your feelings, and that's okay, too. I don't know you well, but it doesn't matter, I don't want you to kill yourself. I've seen what happens afterwards, it's inhumane, and I beg you never to consider it as an option. Please, never, never, ever plan to actually go through with it, ever. I'm on here because if there's even the narrowest of paths possible to get me out of this nightmare without hurting anyone, I'll grab it with dear life, and I think deep down that's why you're here, too. I think you want out of this nightmare somehow, as badly as I do, and you want it without hurting anyone, as I do. But that won't happen if you kill yourself, believe me, I know. There has to be another way! There has to be a better way! Maybe we'll find it together on here?
     
    Last edited: Jul 13, 2015
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  2. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    SUICIDE - support agency contacts

    see

    http://afterlifeforums.com/showthread.php?1839-Resources-for-People-in-Crisis&p=37425#post37425



    In the UK

    Helplines and support groups

    Samaritans (08457 90 90 90) operates a 24-hour service available every day of the year. If you prefer to write down how you're feeling, or if you're worried about being overheard on the phone, you can email Samaritans at jo@samaritans.org.
    Childline (0800 1111) runs a helpline for children and young people in the UK. Calls are free and the number won't show up on your phone bill.
    PAPYRUS (0800 068 41 41) is a voluntary organisation supporting teenagers and young adults who are feeling suicidal.
    Depression Alliance is a charity for people with depression. It doesn't have a helpline, but offers a wide range of useful resources and links to other relevant information.
    Students Against Depression is a website for students who are depressed, have a low mood or are having suicidal thoughts.
    Bullying UK is a website for both children and adults affected by bullying.


    Agencies that provide support and information

    SupportLine Telephone Helpline: 01708 765200, email info@supportline.org.uk or write to SupportLine at PO Box 2860, Romford, Essex RM7 1JA - Provides emotional support and details of support groups, helplines, agencies and counsellors throughout the UK


    Calm: 0800 585858, www.thecalmzone.net - Campaign Against Living Miserably Help and support for young men aged 15-35 on issues which include depression and suicide.


    HopeLine UK – 0800 068 4141 – for practical advice on suicide prevention www.papyrus.org.uk


    Lifeline (N.Ireland)
    0808 808 8000 www.lifelinehelpline.info
    For anyone in N.Ireland who is in distress or despair. Immediate help on phone 24 hours a day 7 days a week. Face to face counselling can be arranged, also befriending, mentoring. Issues dealt with include suicide prevention, self harm, abuse, trauma, depression, anxiety.
    Run by Contact N.Ireland www.contactni.com independent counselling service employing professional qualified counselors who have extensive experience of working with people facing a wide range of problems, free to all users.


    Premier Lifeline
    0300 111 0101 www.premier.org.uk/lifeline
    Helpline providing a listening service, information, emotional and spiritual support from a Christian perspective


    Mind: http://www.mind.org.uk/information-support/


    In the USA


    If you're thinking of committing suicide, call these numbers immediately:

    Hopeline: 1-877-235-4525 Supports people and saves lives during times of crisis through caring, confidential conversations.

    National Hopeline Network: 1-800-SUICIDE

    National Suicide Prevention Lifeline / Veterans Crisis Line: 1-800-273-TALK (8255)

    If you want information and referrals in regards to help with mental illness:

    National Alliance on Mental Illness Information Line: 1-800-950-NAMI (6264) [Call Monday to Friday, 10am-6pm Eastern Standard Time]

    National Alliance on Mental Illness website: www.nami.org
     
  3. janef

    janef Moderator

    I think I missed seeing this post from Feb. 1st, but Wow Roberta, you certainly got their attention! Congratulations! I think I was in a similar place that prompted my experience.
     
    Last edited: Jul 10, 2015
  4. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    see

    http://afterlifeforums.com/showthread.php?1839-Resources-for-People-in-Crisis&p=37425#post37425



    In the UK

    Helplines and support groups

    Samaritans (08457 90 90 90) operates a 24-hour service available every day of the year. If you prefer to write down how you're feeling, or if you're worried about being overheard on the phone, you can email Samaritans at jo@samaritans.org.
    Childline (0800 1111) runs a helpline for children and young people in the UK. Calls are free and the number won't show up on your phone bill.
    PAPYRUS (0800 068 41 41) is a voluntary organisation supporting teenagers and young adults who are feeling suicidal.
    Depression Alliance is a charity for people with depression. It doesn't have a helpline, but offers a wide range of useful resources and links to other relevant information.
    Students Against Depression is a website for students who are depressed, have a low mood or are having suicidal thoughts.
    Bullying UK is a website for both children and adults affected by bullying.


    Agencies that provide support and information

    SupportLine Telephone Helpline: 01708 765200, email info@supportline.org.uk or write to SupportLine at PO Box 2860, Romford, Essex RM7 1JA - Provides emotional support and details of support groups, helplines, agencies and counsellors throughout the UK


    Calm: 0800 585858, www.thecalmzone.net - Campaign Against Living Miserably Help and support for young men aged 15-35 on issues which include depression and suicide.


    HopeLine UK – 0800 068 4141 – for practical advice on suicide prevention www.papyrus.org.uk


    Lifeline (N.Ireland)
    0808 808 8000 www.lifelinehelpline.info
    For anyone in N.Ireland who is in distress or despair. Immediate help on phone 24 hours a day 7 days a week. Face to face counselling can be arranged, also befriending, mentoring. Issues dealt with include suicide prevention, self harm, abuse, trauma, depression, anxiety.
    Run by Contact N.Ireland www.contactni.com independent counselling service employing professional qualified counselors who have extensive experience of working with people facing a wide range of problems, free to all users.


    Premier Lifeline
    0300 111 0101 www.premier.org.uk/lifeline
    Helpline providing a listening service, information, emotional and spiritual support from a Christian perspective


    Mind: http://www.mind.org.uk/information-support/


    In the USA


    If you're thinking of committing suicide, call these numbers immediately:

    Hopeline: 1-877-235-4525 Supports people and saves lives during times of crisis through caring, confidential conversations.

    National Hopeline Network: 1-800-SUICIDE

    National Suicide Prevention Lifeline / Veterans Crisis Line: 1-800-273-TALK (8255)

    If you want information and referrals in regards to help with mental illness:

    National Alliance on Mental Illness Information Line: 1-800-950-NAMI (6264) [Call Monday to Friday, 10am-6pm Eastern Standard Time]

    National Alliance on Mental Illness website: www.nami.org
     
  5. poeticblue

    poeticblue Moderator

    Suicide is definitely not the answer and will create a horrific ripple effect for everyone that you have encountered in your life. Yes, even strangers. We all are here for a reason through the good and the bad, and have come to know one another for a good purpose. If someone ends their life on purpose, it changes everyone's chart and meaning in life because you were meant to be here for a reason. Everyone here needs everybody.
     
  6. RobertaGrimes

    RobertaGrimes Administrator

    Hmmm... What is interesting to me is that this really wonderful, heartfelt post bears my name, but I did not write it. And I have no idea who did write it! Everyone, if you recognize your own words, will you please let me know - even privately - who you are?

    I have never lost a close loved one to suicide. I don't know these feelings personally, but I have counseled hundreds of people who have been in this position and I can only reiterate the truth of this post for anyone who might be contemplating suicide. Especially if you are young: don't do it! Killing yourself is the most selfish, the cruelist, the most evil thing that I can imagine anyone doing to anyone else. Because, make no mistake: you will make nothing better, not even for yourself. You'll be inflicting a permanent anguish on everyone you were close to here, and you will know all their pain as if it were your own but there will be absolutely nothing you can do to make it better! Please. Suicide is never anyone's good option!
     
  7. Daniel Rizo-Patron

    Daniel Rizo-Patron New Member

    Have you ever heard about Elisa Medhus and Channeling Erik? I actually was guided to them by an interview with Thomas Campbell When he was asked about suicides. This was a few years ago and his blog has saved many life's, specially within teenagers and in general people with suicidal tendencies, etc. He has a book very similar to the one Roberta helped "Flying High in spirit" about the Afterlife of Mikey Morgan, but Erik did commit suicide.
     
  8. RobertaGrimes

    RobertaGrimes Administrator

    Hi Daniel! i think that most of us know about the book, and I'm delighted that Erik is helping people, but I haven't read either his book or his blog because at this point I am careful about what I read. Anything coming from other than very high-level beings is likely to contain erroneous statements simply based upon ignorance. What I understand from those who have read Erik's work is that he simply isn't advanced enough and he doesn't know enough to be able to talk about much beyond his own experiences; while on the other hand, Mikey Morgan is an upper-sixth-level being. He is at a level of spiritual development very near the Source level, and he came to earth 400 years after his last previous incarnation specifically so he could die at 20 (accidentally, of course) and he could speak to modern people from the highest level. I have tested his knowledge extensively against my decades of reading communications from the dead and other afterlife evidence, and I am confident that he is what he claims to be! Had he been simply someone's son who was saying some of the things that have been reported to me as coming from Erik, I'm sorry to say that I would not have helped him write his book. The afterlife is a real and extremely complex place! And people deserve to know what is false and what is true. We have enough to do in battling the errors that have become widely believed because of NDEs, so I really hope not to introduce erroneous beliefs that come from the eager-to-help but less-informed dead.

    For those who want to read what is being said by what is (to my knowledge) the highest-level being still actively in contact with the living, read Flying High in Spirit by Mikey Morgan (and me). All royalties go to Mikey's family. All that I get from recommending his book is the time I have to spend conveying questions from readers to his mother and then having to write out the answers, but I recommend his book because it is frankly terrific and insofar as I can discern it is spot-on accurate.
     
  9. Daniel Rizo-Patron

    Daniel Rizo-Patron New Member

    Thank you for your feedback Roberta and I respect your opinion and approach about these topics. In my particular case (we all are different and have different approaches and belief systems, for me it is not about being right or wrong but search for our own Truth=Love=God) I as Thomas Campbell very well says I have to be open Minded, but not necessarily believe everything I read or I am told, but get my own conclusions based of what I find to be true or not. As of Erik's book "My life after death: A memoir from heaven " which I did read as Mickey Morgan's book I see not one discrepancy, again this is my personal opinion as all the years that I have followed Erik's blog. At the end for my own experience also is not about who delivers the message it could be Jeshua, Krishna, Buddha, Mickey or Erik, but the message itself and always we should keep going back to our inner self and look for these answers within and feel in our heart what resonates with us and doesn't as it was a gift from God to humanity what is called intuition as Jeshua confirmed "the kingdom of God is within us" which leads to a saying learned "If you find the Buddha on the road, kill him" which means exactly the same teachings.

    Love and God bless you for the work you are doing expanding awareness of who we are as a manifestation of God.

    One of the most profound and simplest teachings I learned was actually from Erik and are two words "Trust and Aloud"

    Love and blessings, Namaste.
     
    Last edited: May 8, 2017
  10. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    I'm sure dear Silver Birch will not mind my paraphrasing him by saying "Reject what does not appeal to your reason, no matter who says it."
     
  11. Jan Wallace

    Jan Wallace New Member

    I looked up this book intrigued by the description on Amazon and unfortunately at over $800 is somewhat out of my price range. So I will have to remain ignorant of this young man's escapades and level 6 Spirituality at this present time.
     
  12. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    I'm confused about which book you've looked for but if it's Carol Morgan's about her son Mikey it shouldn't be that price. I reckon I paid about US$14, ten or eleven quid, on Amazon. Mikey's communications via his mum were a regular feature here on ALF some years ago http://afterlifeforums.com/resources/carol-and-mikey.15/

    I miss 'em both greatly. :(
     
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  13. Monika

    Monika Active Member

    I did not find thread called "suicide" anymore but i think i can write here.
    I would like to share what keeps me worried last weeks :(
    I had really big struggle not to kill myself and follow after Michel. I still have such thoughts often but i understood time ago that i can not do this in respect of Michel and our relationship.
    Some time ago i was reading (or more likely just "scanning") one book. Book did not seemed to be something what i would read with concentration but one thought caught my eye there. The man who died and entered spirit world got very confused why some spirits call him suicider. He did not commit suicide. He died in hospital from syphilis. After he met his guide he asked him this question: why do they blame me for suicide? Guide explained that it is because in his life on earth he did not care enough about his body, about his health. He lived carelles life in terms of his body and health. Guide added that saddly, but lots of people come here for the same reason.
    This made me to think about myself. This is exactly what i am doing from the day Michel died. I am constantly commiting silent suicide in long term. I literally live on coffee, cola and cigarettes, rarely some shitty food and almost no good sleep for more then 7 months denying any signs what my body sends to me that i shall stop this brutal destruction.
     
  14. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    Let's look at what most of us - I'd guess - see suicide as being. It's the deliberate bringing to an end one's life when it might reasonably be expected to go on. The account you read makes no sense to me. Someone who leads a life that ultimately resullts in an apparently premature death isn't - in my view - deliberately ending their life. They may be deliberately living in a way that MIGHT shorten their life a lot but you might say that about those who race cars or motorbikes or are involved with other high-risk activities.

    Do you feel, Monika, that you're deliberately working towards ending your life prematurely (albeit slowly) by consuming junk food and deliberately not taking care of yourself? If you are, and if those actions were to bring about your death, then I'd agree that you are indeed slowly committing suicide. But if you're not deliberately doing things to bring about your death then I don't view it as suicide.

    And if your actions are purely down to the deep grief you're feeling, with the consequent inability to pick up some kind of 'ordinary' life again, I don't see that as suicide either.
     
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  15. Monika

    Monika Active Member

    Thank you for your thoughtful reply mac. And you are completely correct, when i eat junk food or light up second cigarette in a row i do not think of it like disrespect for my own body. Just i used to be in a little bit better harmony with my body (to my own understanding). Of course changes of this are affected by grief and painful emotions.
    I do not say that i think that in any case someone would blame me for suicide in order of my habbits. But anyway this is something for me to think through and maybe slightly change for better (again to my own undestanding). I know i feel best when my own soul is in harmony with body. Maybe thats why those lines from the book did catch my eye.
    Thanks mac once more. I appreciate your time to answer. Hug :)
     
  16. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    my pleasure - I'm glad if my thoughts have helped a little. :)
     
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  17. Jan Wallace

    Jan Wallace New Member

    Hi Mac
    I had a look on Amazon and that is the price they are charging for the book, I C&P the title onto their page I presume Roberta is co-author as her name came up but it's $450 second hand have a look for yourself, perhaps it's out of print or something.
     
  18. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    If it's out of print - which it appears to be and that's a shame - then folk can ask any price they wish for their copies. I'd give you mine but I think it's in Arizona - and I'm not!
     
  19. genewardsmith

    genewardsmith Active Member

    Get the ebook version would be my advice.
     
  20. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    I don't know where that would be found.
     

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