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spirit flying in an orb

Discussion in 'Afterlife Evidence' started by Scott, Aug 21, 2015.

  1. marmaladecat

    marmaladecat Member

    Hi Katarina, I must admit at times, I am often scratching my head trying to decipher tones in postings and I do also worry how my tone is perceived by others too. Hopefully, if there are any misunderstandings, members will try and clarify their tone/ intention so that the air can be cleared quickly :)
     
  2. I do think being here is somewhat of a cruel joke, yet part of me also feels it is just a bad fleeting dream. But I do also see humor and love, laughter and hope, as light coming through the cracks of the dark, worn tapestry of life. The light always gets in eventually, no matter how hopeless, and we will all come face to face with the light someday. And see what it was all for. We will realize that this was a temporary experience among many experiences.
     
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  3. MalMac56

    MalMac56 Member

    Geez guys,
    I didn't mean to offend anyone... deliberately.
    I accept the fact that Roberta has claimed to research the afterlife for many years and I'm not arguing that.
    But I find it odd that someone like Roberta, with the experience she has can come right off the bat and basically say that the Orb is real - after all IMO, most, if not all Orb photo's are fake or have some other explanation to explain them.

    And to whoever it was who said I don't come here very much - you're wrong, I'm here quite regularly, I just don't post much.

    Do I believe in an Afterlife - I don't know, I'd like to think that there is, I'm still sitting on the fence.
    I've never read any books on the subject either - I believe probably most authors are just out to make money.

    Some people on this site take what's said here as 'gospel' and I think they should think more about things before jumping to conclusions.

    I'm not here to fight, or shoot people down - I come here to read and maybe learn something new - not to ridicule anybody.
     
  4. MalMac56

    MalMac56 Member

    Disregard this bit.. I read the post wrong.
     
  5. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    On many occasions folk have remarked that the tone of a posting can be mistaken. The emoticons can help when a tongue-in-cheek remark is made but where text alone might make it appear to be a serious comment.

    I like the 'wink' emoticon to convey a sense of something not being totally serious, a bit of a leg-pull but I've heard others say that to them a 'wink' can imply sarcasm or look like a smirk. So even that isn't may be interpreted differently from the way it was intended.

    Effective communication ain't necessarily easy.
     
  6. marmaladecat

    marmaladecat Member

    With regards to the orb picture in the first post, I find it difficult to guage whether this is authentic or not. There is no personal history, background or explanation of the photo's origin, therefore without further clarity it could just be an image with an anomaly either naturally produced with no spiritual context, something that has been artificially produced or indeed it could be a genuine orb.

    When there is more of a personal connection, where I might know the individual or trust that individual to give an authentic account, I would be more inclined to consider a spiritual connection. I have seen first hand images produced which appear to have shown some spiritual intervention ( I went on a privately organised ghost hunt). The images produced were fascinating as they were being shot as I stood there (no time for photo manipulation!).

    I have also had friends show me personal photographs of light/ orbs where there was some context or history to them. Some time ago I was taking video of my children singing with a camera phone and I could see some orbs/ lights moving around them in both realtime and on the video. After the children stopped singing, the lights did subside. I personally feel that there was some type of energy forming around us although I can't completely rule out a more natural explanation either ( light sources from mirrors or shiny surfaces reflecting?).

    Maybe the OP of the orb image in this thread can give us more background?
     
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  7. marmaladecat

    marmaladecat Member

    Emoticons are useful tools (or maybe a disclaimer at the end of posting! Lol :)) , although as mentioned even these can be sometimes taken in the wrong way on occasion! Maybe just asking for clarity, if posting tones appear ambiguous can be helpful in clearing up uncertainty. Hopefully any misunderstanding in recent posts have now been resolved. :)
     
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  8. RobertaGrimes

    RobertaGrimes Administrator

    No worries, dear! For a long time, I would have agreed with you; I thought orb photos couldn't have anything to do with beings not in bodies. Dust on the lens, maybe? A trick of the light? But then a couple of years back I spent some time with the Orb Whisperer at a conference (she has a website) and learned the science behind orbs; I also began to put orbs together with other bits of information about beings not in bodies. I was photographed while speaking at the aforementioned conference getting actual help from a large orb when I stumbled around at the start of my talk, but then it all kicked in - and the photo was shown to me on someone's iPhone immediately after my talk ended, with no possibility of photoshop involved. It was incredible! The orb was as large as my head, and there even was a little mouthy thing on the orb right next to my ear.

    So... now I know that beings not in bodies can be photographed with iPhones, and they look like round, energy-filled, semi-transparent blobs of sometimes multi-colored spots of light of various sizes. They look very much as the orb looks that is the subject of this discussion. I tend to take orb photos uncritically now, if they look roughly like what the Orb Whisperer showed me were genuine orbs. My experience with the negativity of ignorant people who deny things things simply because of their ignorance has tended to push me in the other direction, toward positivity and general acceptance of phenomena that I have researched and know to be possible, assuming those phenomena are roughly in the range of what I already have experienced. A personal predilection, I guess!
     
  9. bluebird

    bluebird Well-Known Member

    I think MalMac's point, and I agree with him, is that no one here, including Roberta, researched that particular orb in order to determine what it might be (unless you did and just didn't mention it). Instead, you said "Looks like an orb. Quacks like an orb. I am content to believe that is what it is." Well of course it's an orb, in that it's a roundish looking light effect -- but that's not proof that this particular orb is due to spirit activity. You believe that's what it is, without having first researched it (again, unless you did research the circumstances behind that specific orb but didn't mention that in the thread).

    I tend to believe that most, possibly all, legitimate (meaning not faked) orbs have nothing to do with spirits, but are light effects, dust, bugs, etc. However, I may very well be wrong about that, and there may be some orbs that are spirits or evidence of spiritual activity. When I mentioned, in my first post in this thread, how easy it actually is to fake an orb photo with Photoshop or similar programs, I very specifically said that I do not know if that is what is going on with this photo, because I do not know, not having done any research on the photo myself.

    I didn't see anyone say that it's impossible for some orbs to be due to spirit activity, only that it is very easy to fake orb photos, plus some orbs are just dust and the like, so one should be very careful about making a determination as to which orbs might be spirits. I did not see such careful determination taking place in this case.
     
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  10. janef

    janef Moderator

    The bottom line is, this is about insulting someone's opinion. Whether you think the orb is real or not, Roberta did not say it was, I didn't say it was, no one said it was,(except maybe the original poster) but no one knows for sure. All are opinions, and you should not insult someone because of their opinion. Especially when it turns out they have done more research than you give them credit for.

    That should bother people more than Highlander sticking them with a bit of sarcastic drivel. :rolleyes:
    which I have found is part of his personality on any given topic anyway....
    OH... and I love it! great sarcastic humor. :p
     
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  11. janef

    janef Moderator

    Interesting marmaldecat..... From recent experience and research I have come to the conclusion that life is stranger than fiction... not that I believe everything I see, hear or read, but there are a lot of things that cannot be explained OR denied.
     
  12. Highlander

    Highlander Member

    Well now Jane..Thank you for calling my contributions "drivel", which my dictionary defines as "letting saliva or mucous (i.e. snot) flow from the mouth or nose". I have never had such a high accolade attributed to my writing. :cool:
     
  13. katarina

    katarina New Member

    marmaladecat- have you ever posted your experiences about your ghost hunt on here? I would be interested in hearing about it- did you see or experience anything that made you feel that something 'otherwordly' was happening? Where was it, if you don't mind me asking? It's something I wouldn't mind experiencing myself someday. We were just talking about this topic at work recently, with some thinking that all ghostly phenomenon could be explained by some kind of natural causes and a couple of people saying they'd had their own experiences which they felt had no natural explanation. Interesting topic, anyways!
     
  14. janef

    janef Moderator

    Well, you are undefinable.... the best I could do! Lol... :p
     
  15. poeticblue

    poeticblue Moderator

    No worries. I remember you from a year ago. You were very kind yet blunt. Things get mis-interpreted.

    Highlander is the same way. You both oughtta love one another.
     
  16. poeticblue

    poeticblue Moderator

    Well said.
     
  17. poeticblue

    poeticblue Moderator

    Marmaladecat is awesome...and so are other members on this forum. Please get to know them first before biting your tongue (I.e. Highlander)

    You seem very blunt with your posts as well as the rest of us. Welcome to the family by the way :)

    However there are certain issues that need to be resolved (if that ever will happen) . You can rest assure that not all of us consider responding to a post a popularity contest.
     
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  18. janef

    janef Moderator

    So true. :)
     
  19. marmaladecat

    marmaladecat Member

    I think this to be the case too, especially when it comes to certain personal experiences. It's always sensible to try and rule out any natural causes where you can, but once these have been eliminated, one is left with the possibility that these occurrences might have another origin which cannot be fully explained by current scientific tests/ methods (yet).
     
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  20. marmaladecat

    marmaladecat Member

    I have posted bits and pieces about the ghost hunt. It was organised by a private group ( from another spiritual forum, no longer active) to visit and investigate Ruthin Gaol in Wales overnight. There was a medium ( site owner) and about 10 forum members involved. It was an interesting experience! :)
     
  21. marmaladecat

    marmaladecat Member

    Hi Katarina,

    I've copied and pasted part of my experience at Ruthin Gaol from the forum I used to participate in. I've edited names with an * for privacy reasons. Other members also gave their personal accounts although I don't think I can print here for copyright reasons. The vigil was in early 2006.

    "I found the vigil a great experience. The energy of the group was high and very positive, which was helped by the initial grounding and protection of the group led by *

    We split off into small groups, I went with * and 2 other participants into the basement area and cells where initially it felt very quiet. I went into a couple of cells on my own and felt that the atmosphere was fairly light. However I did feel at one point feel as though a slightly denser energy moved through me when I asked for evidence of any spirit energies about.

    The two ladies in my group also reported draining of batteries (torch) in one area of the basements (near the toilets). This happened a few times I believe.
    Overall though we felt that there was not much activity happening at that particular time in this area.

    Our next vigil was outside in the excercise yard, where again we did not notice much activity at the time.

    Upstairs in the Upper cell area definately had a different atmosphere and felt much richer in terms of extra energies. On climbing the stairs to the upper cell level, our group all experienced a slight feeling of dizziness/nausea? and a denser atmosphere surrounding us.
    We investigated some of the cells individually and although we did not pick up anything substantial, there was a different atmosphere experienced to that of the basement area.

    On the main landing * asked for evidence of Spirit and our group was surprised to feel a breeze picking up around us where none was felt before. It had a distinctive chill which seemed to lap around our lower bodies and around our hands.
    * believed that maybe female interaction would help provide some more response, so I also asked for some evidence of spirit to be provided. We had some knocks or raps in answer to our questions which intrigued us. We also all heard what seemed like a metallic rattle of keys above us as well as taps on the glass partition dividing the landing.

    At one point, the two ladies in our group rushed back in surprise and exclaimed that they heard an audible voice or breathing aimed towards them.
    The sensation of this chilled breeze moving in between all of us was very interesting and when we asked if evidence could be provided by way of touch, one of our group said she felt her hand was touched.

    I had a bit of an embarrasing moment when I thought I saw an apparition gliding across the room , only to discover it was * behind us being reflected in the partition glass. I'm afraid to say I did an yvette (Most Haunted) and let out a scream (not too blood curdling I hope!) and made the two ladies in our group jump and dash for the exit!
    The groups then split up into some individual vigils, I went with *, *, *, * and *to the basement area as well as back to the upper cell landing.

    * picked up on very interesting temperature readings and rapid changes in readings which seemed to coincide with asking for evidence. There were also red flashes picked up around * as well as group sensations of water around our feet and the sensation of feeling like we were all on a boat.

    At one point I also noticed a shadowy shape behind * which she seemed very aware of as she felt something was touching her when asking for evidence of survival.

    We also had strong smells which were picked up. * picked up on pipe(tobacco) smoke.

    The evening/night vigil went very well with all the groups picking up information. * also took some amazing pictures which showed very visible misty white shapes in the shots. I am really looking forward to seeing these images on the site. I found the experience very intriguing and I am looking forward to investigating some more on the next vigil."
     
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  22. MalMac56

    MalMac56 Member

    Thanks (I think).
    Pictures of Orbs irk me, I really should not reply to those threads.
    I try, believe me but sometimes I just can't help myself. :D
     
  23. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    Some of the most striking examples of images in orbs that I've seen were achieved by the researchers involved in the so-called Scole Experiment. It's not my specialty but some of them may be found in Robin Foy's book about the Scole years. Those interested in orbs might find it interesting reading. Many striking photographs were also produced and the book may show some of them.

    [I hasten to add that I'm not promoting that book in any sense, have no involvement or interest in it, and haven't even read it.]
     
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  24. MalMac56

    MalMac56 Member

    I've watched the documentary about the Scole Experiments, it was interesting BUT..
    I can show you how to make a convincing 'flying orb' by filming the video through glass, all you need to do is shine a small light on the glass, move it around so it looks like it's 'flying.
    For the final touches you then do a bit of editing and filtering with Sony Vegas.

    It's best done by filming through a window from the outside - this way it looks like the 'orb' is flying around inside your house.

    I believe there are orbs around, I've seen one myself back in the 80's with my own eyes. (at least I believe it was an orb).
    But photo's and video's are just too easy to fake.
    A camera will only pick up what we can see, it doesn't have any magical powers to detect something that's not there.
    If it could, don't you think there would be other things seen in photo's besides orbs?
     
  25. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    Remote from the experiment as it was evolving we're looking back - if anyone is actually looking at all - without much context and maybe, for some, without any background support knowledge of physical mediumship. It's a tiny snapshot of a long-running production, like photographing a split-second of a stage performance and thinking you know everything that happened based on that.

    Although I am bitter about the failure of the experiment I try to be even-handed about certain of the results. There was no digital imaging in those times. Photos were film photos and although they can be manipulated my view is that they weren't, based on my following of their activities throughout the whole time. All anyone has now are historical accounts.
     
  26. MalMac56

    MalMac56 Member

    I think the Scole Experiment was interesting, it makes you think at least.

    The point I'm trying to make is orb photo's/video's can easily be faked so I wouldn't place
    much trust in the legitimacy of them.
    Here's a video which shows how easily it can be done, myself I would have used a different
    light but at least it shows how easy it can be.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1rQTYbtTkw
     
  27. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    I absolutely agree about faking.

    Recently there was a major concern and much heated discussion about the possible faking of phenomena by one or more widely-known international practitioners. What needs to be taken into account is the overall context of such events. Although one may be convinced that fakery has indeed taken place it doesn't mean all phenomena (or images etc.) are fakery. It's all to easy to throw out the baby with the bath water.

    What matters most to this seeker, however, is not arguing about fakery or authenticity but what those phenomena actually signify. If seekers go looking for curiosity, fun and entertainment they'll readily find them. But if they want to research seriously they'll need discrimination
     
  28. poeticblue

    poeticblue Moderator

    Sorry for my late replies lately.. I've been very busy with family and work....

    I got the feeling that you had general skepticism's in regards to spirits in pictures. I remember another thread you had posted on a while back regarding the same thing and you were very honest about your opinion. However, I do remember other posts you have corresponded on and you seem like an ok fellow. Just thought I would say that.
     
  29. janef

    janef Moderator

    Wow.. thanks for sharing this experience marmaladecat. Sounds like there is some real validation there.
     
  30. katarina

    katarina New Member

    marmaladecat- I looked up Ruthin Gaol; sounds like an interesting place, right up my alley! Thanks for sharing your experience there- some interesting things you all experienced. I can imagine it would be a lot different experiencing this in real life, not just watching it on a show on TV. Is anything done by the medium to help souls cross over? Whenever I watch shows on haunted places, I always wonder that; if any medium (or anyone) helps those souls that seem trapped here. Oh, and LOL at your yvette moment!
     

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