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Signs from electronic devices

Discussion in 'After-Death Communication' started by Zac, Jun 7, 2017.

  1. mac

    mac Staff Member

    I've written here before about my disappointment with the NSSF and its premature demise. To say things sounded peculiar is one giant understatement but it's water under the bridge and those days are over. Passive imaging devices are still being resisted by individuals claiming to be physical mediums who claim they would potentially be injurious to their health. I follow events but now have little interest in re-inventions of the wheel.

    I'm grateful to be privileged that I have no need for persuasion about life beyond death. Physical phenomena are a curiosity and marginally interesting at times but take me nowhere particularly interesting or anywhere that hasn't been studied before and perhaps better.

    Nonetheless I wish you luck in your endeavours and hope you find what you're seeking.
     
    Last edited: Jun 13, 2017
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  2. Zac

    Zac New Member

    Is NSSF an acronym for the Scole group?

    How could passive sensors injure or even affect them? I can imagine certain night vision devices with infrared illuminators potentially having undesirable effects, but passive devices emit nothing. So, those claims never made any sense to me. But, one thing such devices would reveal is fraud like this:

    https://thesearchforlifeafterdeath....medium-gary-mannion-exposed-committing-fraud/


    What I've seen over the past 6-7 years has convinced me that there is something after our physical bodies die and individual consciousness/personality appears to survive in some form. I'm not sure of many details beyond that.

    Thanks, but that sounds like "I've seen it all so there is nothing left to be discovered..."
     
  3. mac

    mac Staff Member

    NSSF = New Spiritual Science Foundation

    Mannion was caught out in fraud by Wallacia's video recording. I'm not a physical medium claiming that recording with passive devices might cause physical injury - you'd have to address your questions to them, the practitioners saying it, to get answers. The protocol at the AFC requires physical mediumship to be carried out in the light now and I don't know if any p.m. performs there any longer.

    I didn't realise you were still searching for personal understanding - sorry I'd assumed wrongly.

    You're almost right in your final assumption save that it ought to read (about me) "I've seen/experienced all I personally need to see/experience so I have nothing left for me to discover." Other than the claims being made for the next generation ITC I don't find anything interesting and certainly there's nothing novel that I'm aware of. I don't and didn't mean it should apply to anyone else unless they see things similarly.
     
  4. Zac

    Zac New Member

    The simplest variation (flip-flop single bit memories and circuitry to sound an alarm if they change state) of the hardware would only cost a few dollars each in quantity. This is a simple 2 bit version I built and sent to a friend to test:

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  5. mac

    mac Staff Member

    I don't know if you're still around but if you are you might be interested in taking a look at Mark Macy's blog https://macyafterlife.com/

    There you'll find accounts of communications using electronic devices although there's lot of information that may take a time to read and digest. I recommend you take a look. :)
     
  6. Zac

    Zac New Member

    Thanks. I have his book, but haven't looked at his website recently. I'm surprised that I have not seen anyone mention using simple mechanisms like the flip-flop (1 bit memory) I suggested. I find methods using radio static and the like to not be sufficiently repeatable and also subjective in terms of picking out words from static/noise.

    Some of Macy's claims are not substantiated by evidence. For example:

    "...The luminator seems to melt away some of the barriers between the physical world and spirit worlds, allowing spirit friends to move in a bit more closely to get their images on film, and allowing other strange things to happen. The inventor of the luminator, Patrick Richards, tells a story of the time he placed three of the devices in a triangular configuration spanning two rooms in his house. He turned them on, sat in the center of the triangle formed by three devices, and felt a very strange sensation. As he leaned his head against the wall, it went THROUGH the wall as though it were passing through a light beam rather than a solid object. He quickly withdrew his head, turned off the luminators, and has not tried the experiment again since then. He says it was quite a frightening experience."

    http://www.rexresearch.com/richards/richards.htm
     
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  7. mac

    mac Staff Member

    Why not reach out to him with your reservations? I was speaking to Mark earlier this week and find him an approachable man.

    I'm not au fait with the technique you mentioned but it's interesting to note, perhaps, that the Scole Experimental Group experimented with something that may have worked similarly. Maybe Mark would also offer his thoughts about your electronic device? You really need someone experienced to evaluate its potential.

    As for methods (and outcomes) not being repeatable well that's something that the Scole Group was working toward in order that results could be scientifically observed and evaluated. With trans-dimensional communication it appears to be the nature of the beast that predictability is variable.

    Communication of whatever kind across very dissimilar dimensions looks set to remain far from reliable, repeatable and predictable unless someone finds a suitable means of achieving it. And that may be down more to the efforts of spirit-side experimenters than those of mortals.
     
  8. Zac

    Zac New Member

    None of the ITC methods I've read about including Scole are simple and repeatable like the state of a single bit memory.

    Gary Schwartz's experiments are the closest I've seen to what I'm proposing, but his experiments involve detecting/measuring minuscule quantities which is technically challenging to do and requires expensive exotic equipment (to detect single photons and so forth). It's a mystery why they don't start with something simple and inexpensive to replicate like a single bit memory (which is also a fundamental building block of our computer technology). Putting a $5 device into the hands of many people generates public interest and also allows all those people to experiment and perhaps discover something.

    I've posted about this in a couple other forums, but there has been minimal interest. I find that the response has ranged from people who became wary because they think I'm trying to sell them something to others who simply have no clue what I'm talking about.

    I've read the reports from Scole and found their methodology to be far from optimal though they still produced fascinating phenomena. It makes little sense why passive electronic monitoring devices such as video cameras and thermal imagers could not be used when the electrical wiring in the walls (with much higher amplitude, typically 240V in UK residential wiring) and AC powered tape recorders didn't interfere.

    I've been trying to find a medium who would be interested in experimenting with single bit memories, but haven't had anyone express interest so far. I even emailed a couple mediums who wrote books I found interesting, but received no reply.
     
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  9. mac

    mac Staff Member

    Why not reach out to him with your reservations? I was speaking to Mark earlier this week and find him an approachable man. Maybe he would also offer his thoughts about your electronic device?

    You really need someone experienced to evaluate its potential and also someone you could work with. Perhaps he could point you in a suitable direction and as you're so confident that your device would be worthwhile why not also approach the experimenters directly? Trying to attract attention via websites is unlikely to yield results in my view.

    I can see no reason that a medium would find interest in experimenting with your device. Why would they?
     
  10. Zac

    Zac New Member

    Do you have his email address? I looked on his website, but didn't see it.

    I'm simply mentioning a simple inexpensive mechanism that can be used for experiments. I would enjoy being involved in related experiments, but certainly do not need to be. That is why I have posted the technical information freely hoping that others might become interested.

    I expect a medium would be able to communicate with someone on the other side to get them to change the state of the single bit memory. I would consider that as pretty good evidence if that could be done on request.

    For those interested, here is some more background on Mark Macy and his experiences:

    http://www.spiritfaces.com/pdfs/my-itc-history.pdf

    http://www.spiritfaces.com/04-journals.htm
     
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