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Saints as Spiritual Guides

Discussion in 'Spiritual Growth & Development' started by JCM, Oct 27, 2017.

  1. JCM

    JCM New Member

    My cradle belief system is Roman Catholic. One of Catholicism's strongest appeals for me is the veneration of saints. I view a number of such saints, particularly those about whom much is known based on their writings and well-documented biographies, to be sources of inspiration and comfort. I feel particularly "close" to a well-known French saint from the 19th century. Indeed, I have had numerous inexplicable "coincidences" that I can only attribute to her intervention. I wonder if others, perhaps those raised in a similar tradition, have insights to share on the role of great spiritual figures on our own ongoing journeys on earth.
     
  2. jimrich

    jimrich Active Member

    JCM, since I was not raised in any particular religious tradition other than general Christianity, but have done a lot of work in psychology, I see the veneration of saints as a kind of role modeling. Over the years, I've found a lot of good "role models" to revere and follow such as Meister Eckhart, Ramana Maharshi (of India), Eckhart Tolle and a lot of current teachers/spokes-persons in philosophy and spirituality who are not yet deemed to be Saints. Now that I am 80 y.o., I find that I can and need to be my own role-model as well as anyone or anything outside of me. IMO, the phrase, "Let your conscience be your guide" is good enough and covers a lot of behavior and beliefs but I still respect and honor the teachings and modeling of Saints and others.
    When you say, "....I can only attribute to her intervention.", do you mean that she comes to you (in spirit) to offer assistance or help in the same way a Dis-incarnate relative or spouse can appear to someone?
    I currently believe, but cannot prove, that those in Heaven or the afterlife (Jesus, Mother Mary, god, my late wife, etc.) can and do appear to us Incarnates in various forms to help us. IM current O, the greatest spiritual figure is our own inner/higher Self or Being, followed by whatever outer spiritual figure we chose to venerate. "The kingdom of heaven is within you." ~ Jesus Christ
     
  3. bluebird

    bluebird Well-Known Member

    JCM,

    I was raised Catholic as well, though in our particular church not much was made of the saints, other than viewing them as particularly good and spiritual people. So in my upbringing, there wasn't much in the way of veneration of the saints, though I did always feel a particular fondness towards St. Francis, as I love animals.

    That said -- it's quite possible that some of the people viewed as saints in Catholicism truly were spiritually enlightened people, and while I don't really believe in praying to them as such, I can see where one might feel close to a particular saint, and I don't see any problem in sort of talking to a saint (which I suppose could be viewed as a kind of prayer). Basically, I do kind of view some of them as spiritual figures.
     
  4. JCM

    JCM New Member

    Thanks jimrich and bluebird, By "intervention", I mean that I have noted "coincidences" that encourage me to hope that such enlightened beings are aware of us, particularly when we come to love them based on our readings and just general interest in them. I suppose my, somewhat unspecific query, is whether those we did not know personally can become as important our own deceased friends and relatives in our spiritual development.

    I have also wondered, if in the afterlife or Heaven, we stay with "our own kind," meaning are people from the same epoch or geographical area reconstituted as a society or do people from vastly different eras and places come together?

    On a semi-serious note, would people in the afterlife be anxious to meet those they have heard so much about: "where is George Washington?" Or does that type of earthly celebrity not transcend the veil. But I think I would still like to hang out with 19th century folks and "meet" Lincoln and Emily Dickinson! But I think those two--highly developed spirits if there ever were any--would be at a very high plane indeed.
     
  5. RobertaGrimes

    RobertaGrimes Administrator

    Three great questions! Here are answers based upon what we are told by those that we used to think were dead:

    1) We all have one primary spirit guide who helped to plan our lifetime and then guides us through living our life-plan. The designation "saint" is a human one. There is no evidence that it has any function in the afterlife beyond giving the dead a way to connect with us by sometimes presenting themselves as familiar saints to people who expect to see saints. There, what people focus on is spiritual growth; and many, many people who were never remarked when they were on earth can be in truth very advanced beings indeed. JCM, Catholicism is a religion. Every religion is man-made, and in truth it has nothing to do with the genuine reality or the genuine Mind of which we all are part and which is all that exists.

    2) There is no post-death segregation of the sort that you imagine. We all have lived many lifetimes, and we have very many eternal friends who may have shared other lifetimes with us - we have lots of beloved people to enjoy that we do not now remember at all because of the amnesia that we accept as part of the deal when we come to earth. Oh, the joyous reunions that we all have in store! BUT there are indeed places where people gather to enjoy replicating earth-epochs. You might play for a while in Old West Town, or 1950s Bobby-Soxers Town, or in just about any other epoch that ever has existed. There is literally no limit to the fun to be had!

    3) As to your third question, according to my own primary guide - who was Thomas Jefferson in his penultimate lifetime - people are forever searching him out to ask questions and talk about his TJ lifetime, and he doesn't seem to be happy about that. He appears now in the persona of his last earth-lifetime, as a man named John who lived in Wales - according to Susanne Wilson, he looks something like Clive Owen - and he insists to us that being TJ was not even his most important lifetime. So I'll bet that Abraham Lincoln, too, is pretty much "over" having been Abraham Lincoln. On the other hand, many 20th-century entertainers still entertain there; in particular, just about everyone seems to have seen Elvis perform at least once!
     

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