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Question about reincarnation

Discussion in 'General Afterlife Discussions' started by ForHarley, Feb 18, 2018.

  1. genewardsmith

    genewardsmith Active Member

    If they are working to prevent such a world from happening, it can't be the actual future people are being progressed to, but a possible future.
     
  2. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    One of several, perhaps many, potential futures....

    Are we back to 'Back To The Future'.....????
     
  3. pandora97

    pandora97 Active Member

    :D
     
  4. RobertaGrimes

    RobertaGrimes Administrator

    I'm sure I have... just not sure where! No time now, but I'll try to find the time....
     
  5. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    no matter - I'll take a look myself but I just couldn't remember if you'd posted the material recently here on ALF.
     
  6. Widdershins3

    Widdershins3 Active Member

    When I was much younger, I had a "dream" that was just as real and un-dream-like as my past life dreams, but it was set in the future. I was a farm girl living in the ruins of a technologically advanced society that had been destroyed by natural disasters and war. There was nothing dream-like about it and my life was hard-scrabble subsistence farming with my family and the group to which we belonged.

    No time for formal schooling and hard physical labor from sun-up to sundown from early childhood defined my limited life. My favorite times were when we went to a warehouse some distance away that had been set up as a sort of museum of artifacts from the past Golden Age that had survived the terrible destruction. I especially loved the beautiful furniture, with its fine fabric upholstery and polished wood. Our farm furniture was simply made by the adults and had no ornamentation. I would stand in front of one particular old wing chair with faded pink damask satin upholstery and admire it until my siblings dragged me away.

    The implications of that "dream" still intrigue me. How "set" is the future, really?
     
  7. bluebird

    bluebird Well-Known Member

    I don't know the answer to your question, but I do find the situation you described from your dream intriguing.
     
  8. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    It sounds like a movie plot. Can our minds conjure such stories up and present them the way you've described? Might that be how some authors/script-writers get their ideas?
     
  9. Widdershins3

    Widdershins3 Active Member

    Or an idea for a post-apocalyptic science fiction book. But it had that difficult-to-describe quality of being exactly like a memory that my past-life dreams all had. Also, like them, it's still sharp and clear in my memory, when I've had and forgotten thousands of normal dreams since then. Also, in my regular dreams, I'm me, but in these other lifetime ones I'm a distinctly different person, sometimes very unlike my self in this lifetime. Sometimes in the undreamlike dreams, I have a brief shock when I look down at my own hand and it's not my present one. In the future life one, I saw my whole arm and hand that were deeply tanned and somewhat scarred from the hard farm labor I'd done...and I was so young. It was so surprising that I still recall it vividly and can see that girl's arm in my mind's eye after 60 years!

    Since I almost wrote a novel based upon the lifetime as a half-Chinese girl, I'm quite sure that a number of writers plumb their dreams for ideas. Some do it knowingly, but most I suspect are unaware that they're writing a story they've at least partially lived long ago. We're currently watching a TV show called The Alienist that has such a gritty, genuine feel to its period (late Victorian) and place (New York City) that I've wondered more than once if Caleb Carr, the author of the book on which it's based, might not have been alive then.
     
  10. RobertaGrimes

    RobertaGrimes Administrator

    Apparently the future is not set at all. And neither is the past, since all of time is happening at once in the greater reality. What is more, all of these times - past and future - are influencing one another, for good or for ill! So the devastated future just 200 years from now that my guide, Thomas, showed to me three years ago was only the POSSIBLE future. He stressed that. He also showed me an alternative future 200 years from now that was based upon our taking seriously our need to raise the consciousness vibration of this planet; and that future literally looked like heaven, full of gardens and incredible beauty. It really is up to us....

    I wrote a blog post in April of 2014 called "Historical Revisionism" that talks about the implications of the fact that all times on earth influence all other times. It's here. You might enjoy it!
     
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  11. bluebird

    bluebird Well-Known Member

    I haven't yet watched that show, but I read the book years ago, and highly recommend it.
     
  12. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    When some of us are shown possible future scenarios they must - by definition - be the constructs of powerful minds. The events are only potential outcomes hence not 'the future' and can be only "for illustrative purposes" as modern-day disclaimers often state. But I've yet to be persuaded about past, present and future all exisiting contemporaneously and each interacting with, and influencing outcomes of, the others.

    I'm unable to decide if being a feet-of-clay Taurean keeps me on an even keel and all such notions are either fanciful or misunderstood. ;) Or whether my Taurean approach is preventing my seeing the-big-picture as it truly is. o_O

    Alternatively perhaps we're all partly right and all partly wrong. :D
     
  13. bluebird

    bluebird Well-Known Member

    I tend to agree. I don't pretend to even come close to understanding the nature of time, but I do understand, at least to some degree, the nature of my own experiences. That is, I know that the experiences in my past have occurred. Most importantly, of course, my husband died. Whether or not he continues to exist in an afterlife is not the point I am making or debating here; the fact is that his human, earthly body died. It sucks, it's hell, I hate it, but it is what happened, and that event has had and will always have continuing repercussions in my soul and my life for as long as I remain in this earthly life. Perhaps events from the past, present, and/or future somehow influenced this event, I don't know, but however it occurred, it did occur. It will never not have occurred. It is a fixed point in time, for me.
     
  14. Widdershins3

    Widdershins3 Active Member

    Wow. I read your blog post yesterday, Roberta, and it's still hitting me at intervals just how profound that idea iso_O I'd heard it referred to before, but I don't think the full significance of the idea that time is backwards and forwards malleable really sunk in. I think it was the way you used an actual historical atrocity that allowed me to begin to wrap my mind around the implications. They are enormous...

    This AM, I woke up wondering whether changes on one timeline affect all timelines? (assuming the existence of multiple timelines each time an important decision is made) Or does the change backward and forward happen in all of them? We're currently watching a mind-bending TV show called Counterpart that follows the lives of 2 men who are the same person, but whose realities diverged 30 years ago into separate timelines which are now in touch with each other.
    ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4643084/?ref_=nv_sr_1 ) So I've been thinking about this mind-twisting subject more than normal lately.

    I love the idea that some of the tragedies in my own life might not be set in stone, too. Time is such a challenge to think about this way, though...
     
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  15. RobertaGrimes

    RobertaGrimes Administrator

    I'm so glad you enjoyed it, Widdershins3! Personally, I love the idea that neither past nor future is fixed, but everything is happening at once and all events are influencing one another. I am coming to wonder whether the end of time is going to be the moment when our much higher planetary vibration eventually clears all the negativity from all of human history, and every set of arch-enemies across all of time at once falls joyously into one another's arms ;-).
     
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  16. kim marine

    kim marine Active Member

    Are we all advanced beings since we have the same source?

    Is the mind of a Christian these days inextricably wound up with the laws of elementary science? It seems as though they are afraid to "jump off the cliff of old ideas" because they fear God won't catch them. If you fear of wading in all of these new ideas; don't be afraid to jump. Deuteronomy 33:27-"The eternal God is your refuge, and underneath are the everlasting arms."
    Why are we so afraid to evolve so that this planet can thrive?
     
    Last edited: Mar 15, 2018
  17. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    How advanced is advanced? We are all of the spirit, from the spirit hence identically similar to the source but once we assume individuated forms we set off on an oddyssey of spiritual discovery. During that journey we adopt roles that leave us appearing as though we are less advanced than our essential nature actually is. We can debate why that happens 'til the cows come home but we are unlikely to get very far in specific terms; interesting to do it but probably pointless.


    We are who we are, what we are and where we are by design - call it 'the will of God' if you wish. Individually some of us may know a smidgin about the need for humankind to progress spiritually but are we saying that the other 7 billion individuals all know something similar? Or can do anything significant to change themselves spiritually?

    But are you suggesing it's only Christians who face this challenge? What of those who don't subscribe to the Christian religion, don't worships its God, don't use the Christian instruction manual for living here on earth?

    What of them?
     
  18. Widdershins3

    Widdershins3 Active Member

    I've come to think that, once we enter the "school" of incarnation on this planet, we start a course of development. To me, the soul is eternal, but advancement comes with experience and a willingness to apply knowledge gained. And, just as in an earthly school, some students internalize the information they're given and eagerly move ahead, some are slow but steady learners and some probably try to play hooky, at least in the beginning.

    We all come from the creative force--Infinite Intelligence, as the Spiritualists call God--but most of us have met and recognized exceptionally advanced souls and, unfortunately, their counterparts: morally and ethically primitive souls. Which is in no way meant to malign people from what we ignorantly call "primitive cultures." Most of the barely human souls with whom I've had the misfortune to interact have been CEOs or at least privileged: rich and educated. There actually seems to be a sort of epidemic of anti-social acting-out in the so-called First World societies right now that makes me wonder why so many "young" souls have entered together...?

    I've been wracking my brain to recall where I saw a link to a really thoughtful article on "soul ages" recently. Was it here on the board? It was so well-done that a 1000 watt lightbulb came on over my head as I read through it. Should have bookmarked it, but somehow did not.
     
  19. Maria

    Maria Member

    Widdershins3 This is a link to an article I read a few months ago. It explores the different ages of souls and how it influences personalities and careers etc. It also profiles the soul ages of nations (for example countries such as Ethiopia are deemed to be "Infant Souls"), as well as the soul stages of famous people. I hope you find it interesting.
    www.michaelteachings.com/soul_age_index.html






     
  20. RobertaGrimes

    RobertaGrimes Administrator

    Christians are simply beings, like the rest of us. There is no evidence whatsoever - and believe me, I have looked hard for it! - that being a Christian gives you any special eternal status whatsoever. What does count, though, is whether we have strictly followed the teachings of Jesus on love and forgiveness, and thereby have raised our personal vibration.

    Indeed, Christians are very much afraid to jump off that cliff of old ideas! They have bought into the notion that the death of Jesus has given them a get-out-of-hell-free card, and they cling to that card because it seems so easy. It is following the will of God and the teachings of Jesus that seems hard!
     
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