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Out of body experiene query?

Discussion in 'Afterlife Evidence' started by Storybud68, Nov 17, 2017.

  1. Storybud68

    Storybud68 Active Member

    A few years ago i had what i thought at the time was an out of the body experience while i was asleep.The feeling was amazing i was floating around my house looking down going wherever my mind wanted to go.As i looked down in the rooms and beds where my family should have been they werent there.My point is some people claim this is your soul leaving your body ,if this was the case i should have been able to look down and see them my family in bed in real time?Im logical enough to know that it was just some sort of lucid dream.So i only believe an obe if they are seeing things in real time with there soul.this makes perfect sense rather than wishing it was your sour leaving your body.i would love to hear your views on this.?thank you
     
  2. RobertaGrimes

    RobertaGrimes Administrator

    In fact, for you to see familiar things looking different during an OBE is common. Bob Monroe, who is the father of OBE travel, used to talk about leaving his body deliberately and finding himself in a mimic of his room that looked in subtle ways different from the physical room. He surmised that there is a non-material mimic of our material spaces that we can enter when we leave the body, but I don't know that anyone has yet figured out why this happens.
     
  3. Storybud68

    Storybud68 Active Member

    Intresting stuff roberta.but is not just quite simple the fact is that its quite simply a kind of dream.I know people want it to be someting else.buts it seems black and white to me that its definitely not your soul .
     
  4. mac

    mac Staff Member

    Only you have spoken of 'soul' anyway but how much do you know about soul in the first place?

    And based on how much research/ knowledge/understanding do you draw when you suggest it's just a dream that Monroe experiences?
     
  5. RobertaGrimes

    RobertaGrimes Administrator

    Your comment presupposed that the material world that you see around you is the real world. In fact, there is so much evidence that it is a Mind-created illusion - in essence, this world is the dream - that we know this easy answer simply cannot be trusted. There is much more going on! Bob Monroe came to think simply that this mimic of his material bedroom that he entered when he consciously left his body was an aspect of the astral plane, which is the non-material reality that even scientists know makes up 95% of reality. Our afterlife is in the astral; the places where NDEs happen are in the astral; and out-of-body travelers travel in the astral. But he was fully conscious when there - he knew he wasn't dreaming! - and he found the whole thing to be both interesting and amusing.

    And the word "soul" is a religious term. I have no idea why it belongs in this discussion! What do you mean by it?
     
  6. bluebird

    bluebird Major Contributor

    "Soul" isn't only a religious term. If we do actually continue to exist in some form after death, then it is the soul of each person that continues -- clearly our bodies do not, and the soul is the essential part of each person (again, this is if an afterlife exists at all). So while "soul" can be a religious term, it is more basically the word which refers to the essential part of each of us which continues after death (if, indeed, we do continue after death at all).
     
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  7. mac

    mac Staff Member

    Soul certainly can have a religious connotation but is often used as an alternative word to 'spirit', both signifying a similar thing - the energy that animates us into becoming living, physical entities.

    Based on what David Storybud appears not to know I expect he has very little idea about what's meant either by 'spirt' or 'soul' anyway, whether in connection with the so-called OOB experience or any other issue. ;)
     
  8. RobertaGrimes

    RobertaGrimes Administrator

    True. But what continues is what we experience as consciousness, so I call it "mind," which is not a religious term. There is no separate "soul" - it is all consciousness.
     
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  9. mac

    mac Staff Member

    As so often we're hung up on words.... As they're the only medium we have for routine communication, however, they are important and it's helpful if we try to use them as concisely as possible - no easy task!

    The words 'soul and 'spirit' I use to relate to the energy that animates us humans and the cessation of that animating force results in corporeal death. Beyond that is another dimension with a whole bunch more that follow it seamlessly into what we usually term 'the future'. I'm a simple soul so speaking of 'the future' still works for me. ;)

    Consciousness and mind are yet more uncertain and potentially contentious words. How easy it should be when we're not lumbered by the need to communicate using spoken and written languages! :D
     
  10. bluebird

    bluebird Major Contributor

    I disagree, sort of. In my opinion, "soul" refers to that part of us which is most essential, that part of us which is not the body, that part of us which continues after death if any part of us does. "Mind" or "consciousness" refers to the expression of our soul via the body (more precisely, via the brain) in which we temporarily reside. I don't view the soul as separate, per se, but as temporarily housed within the body, and using the mind/consciousness as its mode of expression.

    I think we are actually talking about the same thing, we each just prefer different terms for it.
     

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