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organ donation

Discussion in 'Off-Topic Discussions' started by mac, Apr 13, 2018.

  1. mac

    mac Staff Member

    This theme is related and relevant to ALF's central theme of death and the so-called afterlife but doesn't directly involve the one who dies. Or rather it might but only before the event.... ;)

    Organs donated after death can be life-changing and life-saving. In England - my country of birth and where I live much of the time - legislation is about to be introduced that will assume that anyone who dies is a potential organ donor unless they have specifically opted-out. Challenge by family is still possible even when opt-out has not been declared but essentially it's a reversal of previous policies where active opt-in was needed before organs could be removed after death.

    What's the situation where you live?
    How do you feel about organ donation?
    Should we be assumed to be donors unless we declare that we don't want to be?
    Would some organs be acceptable for donation eg corneas but not major organs like heart-and-lungs, kidneys etc?
    Is there a difference between minor and major organs? Why do you think that?
    Do you feel that organ donation causes any spiritual issues?
    Would you oppose the recorded donation wishes of one of your loved ones?
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  2. Monika

    Monika Well-Known Member

    I do not really know about the situation here. The only thing what i have heard is that one shall write self as organ donor if wants his/her organs be re-used after.

    I am not comfortable to say this, but organ donation doesnt feel right to me :( I can not explain more widely why. I was not looking for answer and actually pushing this question away. It is sensitive topic to me as my younger sister who is just 21 might need this soon.

    I think this should be strictly declared that body organs can be used only if "owner" agreed.

    If someday i would decide to be organ donor, all organs could be re-used just strictly not eyes.

    It might be that my feelings about this topic is strongly mixed with my feeling of reasons in life. Never coincidences. I believe it does not exist. So if there is a reason (which i might not know by this day) i think my organs will be re-used if needed with no matter how i feel or think now.

    I would say it might have some affects to the person who gets the organ (not for donor). Don't know if spiritual. Maybe if it is said that everything is energy, vibrations, might be that the person who gets new organ will need some time to addapt as the organ still has been charged by vibrations of previous owner. Maybe after some time organ takes vibrations of new body system it was "installed" in.
    Last edited: Apr 13, 2018
  3. mac

    mac Staff Member

    That's how it used to be in England but change is imminent. It's an attempt to avoid wastage of organs that could help others in dire need.

    I think many others will feel similar.

    It's an emotive subject and there is no right and no wrong in the matter - only what feels right or wrong for any particular individual but most donations are preceded by the sad death of someone else. I hope that your sister does not need such help after all but if she does I also hope the necessary organ(s) will be available.

    It's another emotive issue and I understand both sides of the argument. There's no certainty that changing English law will result in more organs becoming available than there might be if other ways of encouragement were used.

    I've been on our UK donor list for several decades and anyone could have had anyof my 'bits'. But now I'm almost 71 and most of them will be unsuitable although I've registered my body for any kind of medical use. Even old cadavers like mine are suitable for that! ;)


    There are accounts of recipients feeling uncomfortable with the organs they have been given but whether that is because of actual effects - spiritual, energy or whatever - or whether it's a psychological issue for the recipient is probably impossible to be certain about.
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  4. RobertaGrimes

    RobertaGrimes Administrator

    Hmmm... there are cases in the literature of organ recipients - I think most often heart recipients - who took on some of the interests and other personal characteristics of the donor. I don't have a strong opinion either way, although I assume that by the time I die I will be so geriatric that no one would want my organs anyway. But all of this is more complex than we know! And organs are not just pieces of matter, but rather during life they were imbued with spirit. Who is to say that doesn't continue after death if those organs don't actually die?
  5. genewardsmith

    genewardsmith Active Member

    I've long thought that the reason for the supposed "cell memory" of donated organs is that a connection with a spirit is formed. If this is problematic, I would suggest more for the spirit in question, who may be tied to earth more than desired, than for the recipient.

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