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Discussion in 'NDE The near-death-experience forum' started by Ask21771, Jan 30, 2018.

  1. Ask21771

    Ask21771 New Member

    I'm worried that ndes are satanic deceptions and am looking for as much objective evidence that they aren't as possible, please help
     
  2. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    You've been a member here for quite some time so what has led you to start worrying this way?
     
  3. Ask21771

    Ask21771 New Member

    I've been worried about this for years
     
  4. Ed A.

    Ed A. Member

    It completely defies logic. It would make no sense at all for Satan to spend his time/energy on creating an experience that deeply convinces people of:

    1) the reality of an afterlife;
    2) the fact that the harm we do to others will be revisited on us (reinforcing most religious precepts, e.g., the golden rule);
    3) the reality of God;
    4) the ultimate goodness of God, and the fact that God loves them deeply;
    5) the transcendent importance of love; and
    6) the knowledge that some people, often those who've lived a life of selfishness, visit a fairly "hellish" realm, and who are rescued from that by crying out to God.

    To do that, Satan would be completely defeating his own agenda. Makes no sense at all.
     
    Last edited: Jan 31, 2018
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  5. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    but why? What about NDE has significance for you?
     
  6. Jimmy

    Jimmy New Member

    Wow, I have always had that in the back of my mind as well but this is so simple and makes so much sense. Thank you.
     
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  7. ravensgate

    ravensgate Active Member

    Hello! May I ask if you or anyone else can offer objective evidence that NDEs are the work of Satan?
    Personally, if I believed in the existence of Satan (I do not), I don't see how Satan would go through the "trouble" of providing generally positive NDEs that many might see as sufficient proof of an afterlife, of being reunited with loved ones, etc. etc.
    Do you remember when your worries about this possibility began?

    And why do I see the pink background (except for the first line)? Anyone know how to get rid of it? Thank you.
     
  8. ravensgate

    ravensgate Active Member

    P.S. Off, after I posted, the pink highlighting dissapeared.... Oh, well
     
  9. Ed A.

    Ed A. Member

    I can't even imagine what "objective evidence" would consist of, in a situation like this. A photo of a red guy with horns, standing over the hospital bed? A transcript of Satan and his minions, working on their secret plot to fake NDEs?
     
  10. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    In my Firefox computer browser, only the quoted-text box has a pink background.
     
  11. ravensgate

    ravensgate Active Member

    My point.

    Ask21771, it might help us help you if you would elaborate on your post. Thanks!
     
  12. Ed A.

    Ed A. Member

    Oh, it sounded like you were asking a question, not making a statement.

    Anyhow, if the OP does return, I'd be curious to know what he thought of my Post #4.

    I'd also be curious to know what specifically he finds in NDE accounts that make him worry that they might be coming from Satan. For instance, I imagine that some Christians might find some parts of NDE testimony in conflict with their beliefs (e.g., most people ending up in heaven, even atheists or people of other faiths). If some specifics are given, maybe we can address them.
     
    Last edited: Feb 1, 2018
  13. Ask21771

    Ask21771 New Member

    Well like you said the fact that people regardless of the status of their faith is end up in what appears to be heaven plus scriptures that say things like "satan masquerades as an angel of light"
     
  14. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    What about NDE has significance for you? Or have you been reading/hearing something that left you spooked? If you've no NDE involvement, why your concern?
     
  15. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    Remember that apparent near-death experiences are not the same as death anyway.
     
  16. Ask21771

    Ask21771 New Member

    In my opinion ndes if they're not deceptions prove the Bible wrong
     
  17. Ask21771

    Ask21771 New Member

    That's my point how do we know it's not satan
     
  18. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    And your point is????
     
  19. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    How do we know WHAT'S not Satan? I'm leaving this conversation as I expect it's going nowhere useful - good luck.
     
  20. Ask21771

    Ask21771 New Member

    The ndes, how do we know they're not deceptions created by Satan to trick people?
     

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