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Ndes involving Satan

Discussion in 'Afterlife Evidence' started by Ask21771, May 5, 2017.

  1. Ask21771

    Ask21771 New Member

    How many people have reported encountering Satan during an nde
     
  2. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    Near Death Experience isn't a Satanic one. If anyone were to believe they had seen such an entity you could reasonably assume they hadn't experienced near death and were mistaken.
     
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  3. Daniel Rizo-Patron

    Daniel Rizo-Patron New Member

    You create your reality based in your beliefs and expectations. If that is what you think will happen to you then you will create that experience, based on your belief system. Satan as an entity does not exist we created it as part of some religious systems for control based on fear which is the opposit of love, you decide which one will you follow.
     
  4. poeticblue

    poeticblue Moderator

    I grew up in a Baptist family that believed 'The devil was alive'. I really never understood that statement as it seemed so ridiculous to begin with.

    There is no Satan nor a hell. Satan and hell is simply a metaphor of negative human intent and reactions that we've all created on earth.

    The only hell and devil that exist is within our own mindset .
     
  5. Daniel Rizo-Patron

    Daniel Rizo-Patron New Member

    Could not said it better, I was raised Catholic.

    God bless, Namaste.
     
  6. RobertaGrimes

    RobertaGrimes Administrator

    To attempt to directly answer this question, it has been reported by some of the leading afterlife researchers that something over ten percent of NDEs are unpleasant or hellish. Since the events of each NDE are apparently pulled from the mind of the experiencer, the fact that NDEs will occasionally include a fiery hell is not surprising. Experiencers who find themselves in hell have only to call for help, and immediately they are out of that illusion.

    I haven't heard about or read an NDE account that included Satan as an actual entity, but I'm sure such accounts must exist. After all, many NDEs include God as a person - something else that doesn't exist, an anthropomorphic God - so why should Satan be left out?

    Those who have said here that hell and Satan do not exist are of course exactly right!
     
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  7. Daniel Rizo-Patron

    Daniel Rizo-Patron New Member

    There is a good example about this in the book from Rajiv Parti, MD "Dying to Wake up , A doctor's voyage into the afterlife and the wisdom he brought back" where while his NDE he did went to this hellish place, and smell the sulfur and felt the suffering and saw Satan like creatures from where his diseased father saved him from and took him with him to a safe heaven, It was interesting what his concept about his actions and remorse for them had been the reason based also on his belief system that he will end up not in heaven but in a place of suffering.

    Great read for anybody who is interested in NDE's and how much can these change our lives as it happened to him.

    Love, Namaste
     
  8. Ask21771

    Ask21771 New Member

    What is the best rebuttal to the idea that ndes are satanic deceptions
     
  9. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    The best rebuttal might be personal investigation into the situation leading to persuasion about the details learned.
     
  10. Ask21771

    Ask21771 New Member

    I've tried that, nothing I found disproves the idea
     
  11. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    Then what will you do - believe it's the truth?
     
  12. RobertaGrimes

    RobertaGrimes Administrator

    For them to be satanic deceptions, there would have to be a Satan, right? Here is why I am confident that in fact there is no Satan:

    1) We know that NDEs are highly variable, and are subjective - i.e. religious people have religions NDEs; atheists have non-religious NDEs; guilty-feeling people have hellish NDEs; children always have happy NDEs; etc. When you study a lot of NDEs you become convinced that when the dead are telling us about them is true: they are a separate phenomenon than death, and they are composed of events pulled from the experiencer's own mind and beliefs.

    2) Dead communicators consistently tell us that there is no powerful entity set in opposition to God. There are for sure plenty of demonish nasties, but they are weak and they can trouble only the vulnerable.

    3) The dead tell us that the punishment level is not hot, but rather it is cold and dark and smelly and nasty; it's what Jesus called the outer darkness. And those who end up there are never put there by anyone but themselves.

    4) There is no judgment by God, by Jesus, or by any religious entity, and in fact Jesus tells us this in the Gospels: he tells us that neither He nor God ever judges us.

    5) The physics of consciousness requires that the more loving an entity is, the more powerful it is (so God's power is infinite); the more fear- and evil-based an entity is, the weaker it is, so apparently the most evil entities of all are likely the shadow-men. They lurk in closest and try to scare people because they feed on fear, but they are so weak that just keeping a nightlight on renders them unable to function.

    There is no Satan. You can take that to the bank!
     
  13. bluebird

    bluebird Well-Known Member

    Ask21771,

    I do not personally believe there is any such being as "Satan" or a "Devil". Therefore, I feel no need to attempt to rebut the idea that NDEs are "satanic deceptions". In any case, it's only a very small percentage of NDEs which are said to feel "bad" or "hellish" in nature, or to involve a seeming "demon", so even if some kind of "demonic" being were to exist, it's got nothing to do with most NDEs (which are generally reported to be peaceful, loving experiences).

    To whatever degree NDEs may involve any sort of judgment or the seeming appearance of any kind of demon, in my opinion what is actually going on there is that the person's own psyche is trying to convey something to her/him about the way s/he is living and conducting her/himself, the way s/he is treating others, etc. Very similar to the way our subconscious often works through our dreams, though perhaps with a slightly more spiritual/metaphysical bent.
     
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  14. Amy

    Amy Member

    The best rebuttal? Dunno!

    Perhaps maybe try to feel the sunset? Look at it for a while. Is it genuinely nice, or is it hellish deception trickery? Go with what you heart, mind and senses told you. The first one will be the right one. x

    Amy
     
  15. kim marine

    kim marine Active Member

    During my NDE I saw a lot of future events in my life. It was like I was looking at them to try to make improvements or something when I continued my life here on earth, but now I realize that I don't have to make an improvement, but that I can just be myself.
     
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  16. Ed A.

    Ed A. Member

    I haven't heard of any. I've heard of some who describe demons, but none who describe Satan himself. I differ a bit from others here, in that I do believe there are non-human entities that you might call demons, and although rare, they can be powerful.

    Simple logic. Why would Satan engage in a deception whose outcome is so contrary to his purpose? See the literature on the life changes associated with going through an NDE (e.g., Lessons from the Light, Transformed by the Light). People become less materialistic, less competitive, more loving, more kind, more interested in service and contribution, less selfish, less egotistical, more spiritual, etc. The NDE transforms atheists to believers. It convinces people of the reality of an all-loving, all-forgiving God.

    What in the world would Satan get out of that deception? The only thing I can think of is that people tend to describe themselves after an NDE as more spiritual and less religious. But otherwise, the effects and outcomes of an NDE run completely counter to his purposes.

    So it would make no sense for him to do it. He'd be defeating his own goals. He'd essentially be working for "the enemy."
     
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  17. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    Member 'Ask' appears to be one of the many drive-by visitors who stop for a brief time, ask a question or two and promptly drop out of sight. :D
     
  18. Ed A.

    Ed A. Member

    Damn, and I had such a good answer, too. :p
     
  19. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    Mebbe he'll return at some future time and your answer will still be waiting..... :)
     
  20. Ed A.

    Ed A. Member

    lol, maybe.

    I notice you sort of hold back from responding to questions from new members (e.g., in the other thread about evidence of the afterlife). Is this part of why you do that -- the tendency for (some) new posters to be "drive by" types who really aren't interested in discussion?
     
  21. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    absolutely!

    I've spent much time and effort - apparently wasted much time and effort - on members who appear briefly, ask questions, and then disappear or don't respond.

    At the risk of sounding a curmudgeon I'm done with folk who
    a) don't appear to read what I write in response to what they say/ask
    b) don't bother to respond to my response, even to say it doesn't work for them
    c) quote what I've said but then write about something unrelated.

    I'll happily help anyone I can - they don't have to accept my ideas but I like when they consider them, even if ultimately those ideas don't appeal to their reason.
     
    Last edited: Dec 11, 2017

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