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mediums or psychics?

Discussion in 'After-Death Communication' started by mac, Mar 1, 2018.

  1. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    Mediums and psychics – what are they and is there a difference? A few thoughts for consideration….

    It’s a recurrent situation that a seeker will visit a psychic or a medium hoping they’ll briefly be
    re-united with a lost one passed-over. Often they’ve struggled to find someone (they hope will be) suitable for their needs. They may have had to wait a long time for their appointment and then the sitting/reading doesn’t pan out as they hoped resulting in a disappointing outcome. Why might that be?

    Apart from the uncertainty about reaching any particular spirit person, or any difficulty that person may face trying to communicate through the incarnate medium, there is also uncertainty over what should realistically be expected from the practitioner. It’s a situation not helped if the practitioner fails to properly explain what to expect or their client fails to understand. Or perhaps just too much is expected.

    There are a number of words in common use for a practitioner. She may call herself a ‘psychic’ or a ‘medium’ but both those words may be shortened versions of psychic-medium or spiritual-medium. Does it matter? Well, yes, because each means a different thing and misunderstanding may be one cause for client disappointment. So what can be expected from each kind of practitioner?

    A psychic (psychic medium) may, but might not, communicate with discarnates. (spirits) If she does communicate in that way it’s possible her discarnate contact(s) may provide information intended to help or guide her, in turn assisting her client. In that case help may be seen as being partly of a spiritual nature. If, however, the psychic isn’t in contact with a discarnate helper then the assistance/advice she may provide will be of a psychic nature; perhaps empathetic or intuitive counseling.

    A medium (spiritual medium) should, by contrast, offer something more than a psychic. A medium might also offer help of a psychic nature but more importantly should also offer the possibility of linking with a spirit who has direct relevance to their client. A medium should then use her attributes to provide information to help her client identify the communicator. (‘evidential mediumship’) That information may need further consideration or research by the client because the spirit may not always be recognised. [Learning the identity later of an unknown communicator can be one of the most persuasive pieces of survival evidence.]

    There is, however, no guarantee that a meaningful communication will be achieved; trans-dimensional communication appears far from easy! There can be no ‘summoning’ of a particular spirit individual; they will come only if they wish to, helped perhaps if they perceive that someone is trying to reach them.
     
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  2. genewardsmith

    genewardsmith Active Member


    GLENDOWER
    I can call spirits from the vasty deep.

    HOTSPUR
    Why, so can I, or so can any man,
    But will they come when you do call for them?

    Henry IV Part One
     
  3. STEVEN LEVEE

    STEVEN LEVEE Member

    Hi Mac,
    I always go with the saying that "All mediums are psychic but all psychics aren't mediums." A "psychic/medium" is just redundant, really. ANY title with Medium in it would refer to a communicator with the other side. A solely "psychic" person would be just that. I'm sure you know this already...just putting in my 2 cents!
    Steve
     
  4. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    What, then, is the 'title' for someone who can link to a discarnate (with 'the other side') but doesn't use information communicated for anyone other than herself? In my view that's not mediumship hence I don't see that individual as a medium. But from experience I know that some individuals do think they're mediums and, presumably, would refer to themselves as mediums. I'm not deliberately being awkward - it's what I hear folk say.
     
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  5. jells

    jells New Member

    I guess this would include those that are considered to be Channelers, e.g., Jane Robert's?
     
  6. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

  7. jells

    jells New Member

    Ah, semantics.
     
  8. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    '.....the branch of linguistics and logic concerned with meaning.'

    yes, absolutely! :)
     
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  9. STEVEN LEVEE

    STEVEN LEVEE Member

    What:)???? I guess you're saying this is a person who is communicating but NOT for a sitter...just for themselves? Not sure what you mean here, Macintosh:)? If that is what you're saying then...their "title" is "Medium." They are tuning into the other side...acting as a "medium" whether it be for themselves alone or not.
     
  10. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    Now you probably see my point about how one word can be used to mean very different things dependent on who uses it? When I say 'medium' I mean a very different thing compared with, well, what you mean for example... :)

    Macintosh? nah, just 'mac' ;)
     
  11. STEVEN LEVEE

    STEVEN LEVEE Member

    Mac...clarify for me...are you saying that a medium is a medium ONLY if they're reading for a sitter?
     
  12. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    No, no I'm not saying that at all...

    It's simply how I differentiate between help of a psychic nature - empathy, counselling etc. - and mediumship. I've heard other Spiritualists like me say something similar. Others will see things differently and it's not a case of me being right and they being wrong; we just see matters differently but the differences can be what causes misunderstandings when clients visit practitioners.

    Here's an interesting one, I think. Someone once pointed out that spirit-healing is also mediumship. I hadn't considered that before. Healing is a special communication from a discarnate source providing healing energy, that energy flowing through the medium/'healer' to their sitter/client.
     
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  13. STEVEN LEVEE

    STEVEN LEVEE Member

    This is interesting Mac...I had a healing done by a medium AFTER he gave me a reading a few months ago.
    While he is doing the healing, (I asked him about this afterward) he had my spirit guides around him...there was an indian(he actually was making gestures and moving around me like a medicine man would do) along with a doctor & my mother & another I don't remember...

    He told me he was able to address 3 physical problems and said I had 2 "Karmic" issues I need to work out myself:)! It was reall a great experience. He did a great reading too...different to others (not as polished) that I've been to...

    Point being that I would consider the healing part mediumship as well...
     
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  14. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    It's always interesting to hear others' accounts of mediumship - and about healing too.... I experienced some myself a long time ago.
     
  15. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

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  16. Auseret

    Auseret New Member

    I must say from the beginning that there is no such title as a psychic Medium, Mediums are Mediums ,Psychics are Psychics, there are many titles which confuse the public as when they seek a Medium. I try to do my little bit to help out! I don't know everything but always learning and discovering As far as I am concerned it is a sacred calling. There is an old Spiritualist maxim 'Mediums are born not made ' it is not being exclusive ,I have been called that before. There seems to be an idea that Mediums are able to command a certain person ,no they cannot,Spirit people come of their own volition, the Spirit world is boss. The Spirit world has intelligence, laws and Rules, it has discipline, I wish those interviewing Mediums would stop calling Spirit as Dead ,they are fsrcmore alive than we are. I was born with Mediumistic sensitivities , I was hearing, seeing and Sensing from birth it was difficult seeing spirit faces in the night mostly. I have developed this Gift so I hopefully I can assuage people,s sorrow. ,It is a not quick fix, because people still have to grieve.
     
  17. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    They aren't 'titles' so much as descriptors, words used to help understand what practitioners do but the 'titles' I mentioned are those in current use in, at least, the USA. In the UK it's usually different.

    There is wide variation in what is meant and misunderstanding can result. It's for that reason this conversation was opened, a place to discuss what people mean, or expect, when they talk about mediums and mediumship.

    There can be a big difference between what's meant here in the USA and what's meant back home in the UK but also in Australia. see also http://afterlifeforums.com/threads/and-now-for-something-very-similar.2520/
     
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  18. Auseret

    Auseret New Member

    Mediumship is the same process all over the world. It is a matter of a spirit communicate speaking to a Mediums and relaying the personal information of the said Spirit, or it should be , itvappesrd since the 1990,s when 'Psychic tv programmes were broadcast , we suddenly a spate of teachers claiming they teach Mediumship on six week courses, this strange considering that most of the public in Britain and US had never heard of Mediumship Now in Spiritualist churches the most abysmal standards of Mediumship are being seen?, it is Psychicism nothing else. It upsrtvme that in the Country in which Spiritualism was instituted there are very few genuine Mediums out there ,I have seen the ones who claim to be Mediums on you tube showing off their claims ,most are picking up from the Aura ( psychic) they seem to that constitutes Spirit communication, it is not, Auric information is in always in the past ,accident Deaths, appointments etc
    I om9w it is accurate but it is not Spirit communication.
     
  19. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    agreed


    That's one form of mediumship - so-called evidential mediumship.



    Mediumship standards certainly vary considerably from place to place.



    I agree that's often the case.

    It's a subject we've discussed here, and I've written about elsewhere, many times.

    I'm not upset that in the birthplace of Modern Spiritualism there is so little of the mediumship I know in my own country but I do find it somewhat surprising. It should be remembered, also, that trans-dimensional communication may happen in many ways and not just through a traditional medium.

    See also http://afterlifeforums.com/threads/and-now-for-something-very-similar.2520/
     
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  20. Auseret

    Auseret New Member

    Mediumship is either Mental Mediumship and physical Mediumship, the latter is rare, Trance, Trsnsfiguration, Materialisation ,Helen Duncan was an example of that rare Mediumship. A Medium is on a higher connection than a psychic, they have from Birth an acute awareness and can see,hear and sense Spirit, though Mediums are aware of Spirit they cannot bring through specific persons for clients , the reason is Spirit world is the boss. Many peoplseemmto,think that Spirit either are 'hanging ' in celestial cupboards waiting for someone to summon them ( that is the Ancient Greek understanding of the After life, other thought are they on clouds playing harps) Christian concept or they are sleeping. On the Contrary , those in the Spirit world are busy using their intelligence ,expertise to help those who pass to acclimatise to the difference in vibration and resonance, others help with teaching the newly settled. Healing in a different sense is utilised because many Consciousnesses arevexhsusted or unbalanceled they need Rest . This means that no Medium can claim to get a certain ,Spirit. ,The Soul Consciousness passes with their personality , Character and idiosyncrasies intact, Mediums have no idea whose is coming through in a Service, the Spirit helpers organise either sittings or church services Mediums receive communication not reading the Auric fielding which is what readings consist of Auric information is in the past, it is the memories of their relatives,how they saw personally wise, accident , sees the in family, it is impressed on the Aura ,that is why some not all psychics are able to convince a client they are receiving from Spirit world when ,they are not patently doing so , some psychics think they are! Spirit Energy is fast and high level of power, it uplift and once it disappates it leaves the Medium sort of bereft . I am a Spirit Medium, I developed my Gift for over nine years in a developing Circle and as a Novice Medium, I decide to do some research of my own to find out why I had this awareness it seems most don t know this unusual, they assume everyone around them sees ,hear and senses ,I must say My Mother was a Medium, the first book was ' Stalking the wild Pendulum about altered states of Consciousness and quite a few after that including Michael Talbot and Fred Alan wolf. I discovered through a question on Google about 'Science and Mediumship. I found the work of zzDr Felipe Olivier on the pineal gland , he has worked for over ten years studying the pineal and he has become convinced that Medium pineal Glands have a higher level of apatite crystals ( this is what some call calcification) which act likevtranceivrrs to the higher Dimensions. ,He worked at Sao Paulo University in Brazil. He used to have you tube vids with English subtitles now they are in Portuguese. I must say I have never heard of other kinds of Spirit communication
     
  21. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    Re the last highlighted sentence above, if you take a look around here on ALF you'll find that members have discussed other forms of trans-dimensional communication. ;) And the subject of this thread isn't a review of the types of mediumship but rather intended to consider the difference(s) between the way that psychics and mediums operate.

    You say you're a 'spirit medium' by which I assume you use one of the three forms of mediumship I mentioned - philosophical (probably not) evidential (guess this is your field) and healing mediumship. Whether mediumship is physical or mental matters far less than the message of survival it demonstrates. The manner in which our discarnate friends interact with this world through mediums is much less important than the outcome of whatever mediumship is deployed to bring about communication.
     
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  22. Auseret

    Auseret New Member

    Why do you need a long thread to talk about the difference between psychics and Mediums ? It takes only a few seconds to tell thevdifferencevit is quite pronounced ,Mediums give evidence to the client by the Spirit person giving pertinent information as to their life history , what has been occurring in the client life in the future ,their character , their personalities a psychic picks up from the Auric psstbinformation I am a Medium who works and communicates with Spirit mentioned above ,this is notbsigns and symbols. Medium,d process does not work in compartments, it is natural flowing force, if philosophy comes it comes, ,yes I am also a healer , there is just a differenthey of working. We as Mediums are not stuck in roles if you have the constitution to work as a physical you may but it takes many years please why put single quotation marks the words Spirit Medium as if I am telling an untruth, if I am wrong but I don't think so . I did not say that I was because I knew that this somehow would cause some reaction. Just because you have some notion on how Mediums work I was explaining something not showing off but it seems it was considered to be!
     
  23. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    We don't NEED a long thread.... We are having a discussion and it's spread over a thread that's not very long at all. Perhaps you're not familiar with discussion forums?


    The length of time it takes is not important but the quality of the presentatiom helps in getting the clearest explantion of the differences. That was the starting point for the discussion.

    Now I'm going to say that's debatable. Such information is more the province of the psychic (or psychic medium) - there's an explanation of these descriptors elsewhwere.


    I don't know what's happening with your predictive text (I'm guessing?) but "psstbinformation" ia nonsense.


    So is your mediumship clairvoyance, clairaudience, trance or all of them - or exactly what?

    And I never said that a medium does. The nature of mediumship is a topic for another thread and that's why it's not been included in this thread.


    That's not what I was talking about when I mentioned philosophical mediumship.


    As I said before, the type of medium isn't important to this discussion. You're focussing on the type rather than the outcome of their endeavours.


    I didn't ever suggest mediums are stuck in any particular role and it's not a discussion about how they work..... Physical mediumship is much less common than other forms of mediumship. If you want clarification on a particular point please be clear by quoting it.


    Again I have to emphasise that this discussion was NEVER intended to discuss the way that mediums work, the way they use their spiritual attributes. Please read the whole of the introductory posting and it will be clear what I was intending to open a discussion about. Thus far you seem to have pretty much missed it.

    Additionally perhaps you should visit this related thread http://afterlifeforums.com/threads/and-now-for-something-very-similar.2520/ and then offer your thoughts about what's been said there?
     
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  24. Auseret

    Auseret New Member

    Why have you put a heading on a discussion Psychic or Medium? and not want to discuss the process of what Psychic and Mediums do? It seems you dontnwant to talk about the difference! Why is that? Is the whole of your original statement to do with descriptors of practitioners or to do with their stupidity of not telling clients how they work. There are no such descriptors as a Psychic Mediums( psychics are Psychics) Are you a Spiritualist? If you are ,then you obviously should know that demonstrators stat how they work and what is to expected of the recipient or client at sitting intimating that this is unlikely is naive. All prospective Spiritualist Mediums are given advice in how to treat recipients. I am beginning to see that this thread is just you pontificating about what Mediums or psychics should do in your estimation as to their working in either Sphere The Spirit world is the Boss as I intimated before,they organised who is ready to come through not you, Mediums have no control over who comes through, they are given information by the Disincarnate person which again would be important to the recipient The implication of your statements in the original assumed that Mediums are able to know the information being relayed . I don't appreciate your veiled remarks to my bring a Medium, I am still developing as all Mediums should and I worked damn hard to achieve what I have achieved to be talked down to, may be you don't realise that is how it comes across! Are you Mac from the psychic News forum if you are , your rhetoric has not changed much!
     
  25. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    I don't have anything further to add to what I've already said.
     
  26. Auseret

    Auseret New Member

    No! I am sure You Arrogance becomes, the can I take it I am right that,s intuition for you!
     
  27. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    As I already said I have nothing more to add. Please discuss your views with our other members who have an interest in this topic.
     
  28. RobertaGrimes

    RobertaGrimes Administrator

    Auseret, you are new to this space so we will assume that you don't intend to offend, but your attitude in this thread has made me uncomfortable. Mac wonderfully moderates afterlifeforums.com, he is the soul of patience and kindness, and in reading this thread it appears to me that you are trying to pick a fight with him? If you want to get on well here, I ask that you (and everyone) simply assume that Mac is always the very embodiment of love, and his presence here is a gift to us. Assume that, don't pick fights, and you are very welcome here! But otherwise, perhaps this website isn't the right place for you.
     
  29. Auseret

    Auseret New Member

    To whom it may concern: All I have done is discuss the subject of medium or psychics, it seems one is not really allowed to debate or discuss, but got faced with veiled insults as to my stating that I was a ' Spirit' Medium " quote so is your Mediumship Clairvoyance, Clairaudience, Clairsentience,trance or all of them or whatever " unquote this honestly does appear to be the height of Patience and kindness! I assumed, wrongly that if you are discussing medium and psychic it might be interesting to find out how the two practitioners used their different levels of awareness was utilised but obviously I was wrong in so many ways. It is strange that in trying to discuss the difference you need to be aware of the mechanics of this Gift, I wrote of my experience over the years of being a Medium, get veiled put downs. It seems that information of how the Spirit world go down well here, it is verbal 'fencing' I registered on this site to hopefully to help others but it seem that those who have some experience are not welcome, it is sad when a forum based on the afterlife cannot allow those who do the work for Spirit to openly discuss their calling. ' Experience is the College of knowledge ( this saying was given to a friend of mine now in Spirit She was given this from Spirit) This could be a place of knowledge if you allow those who have experienced Spirit to explain, but obviously not! So ZGod Bless and Farewell!
     
  30. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    There are many aspects of interest concerning life eternal. Mediumship is just one of them albeit a very important one and one in which I have considerable interest. Roberta has provided a place we may use freely to discuss mediumship and any other aspect of the so-called afterlife, something we've been doing here for quite a few years.

    It's a shame you didn't take a better look around this website where there are many topics under discussion and plenty of space where you could have started a thread where you could write about any aspect of mediumship you wished.

    We wish you well as you serve the spirit in the way that works best for you and of course you can return here at any time in the future. :)
     

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