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Mediums ,getting a surname?

Discussion in 'General Afterlife Discussions' started by Storybud68, Oct 20, 2017.

  1. Storybud68

    Storybud68 Member

    hi.Ive been to many mediums over the years, and have talked to many people who been to mediums,and I have personally had mediums getting Christian names of people I know who have crossed over,but I've never heard of a medium getting a Christian name and a surname for a spirit.This to me would greatly enhance my belief that they are actually talking to the spirit.any views very welcome.David
     
  2. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    It would indeed be nice if spirit communicators always provided first and last names along with a bunch of other, persuasive information. Sadly it's often not how things work so we have to be prepared to consider something less.
     
  3. RobertaGrimes

    RobertaGrimes Administrator

    Storybud68, how many first names exist, do you think? In English alone, many thousands? If mediums were only guessing, what are the odds against chance that a given medium would guess ANY first names correctly? I recall once that a medium came out with Bertha and Jerry and told me right off the bat how I was related to them (mother-in-law and brother-in-law), and she gave me some little personal details about each of their lives. There is no way that she could have gotten information about collateral relatives like them from the Internet! She got my parents' first names correctly as well, but I discount that since there may be a listing of my parents somewhere. As Mac says, it's not the mediums, but the communicators who generally don't bother with surnames!
     
  4. Storybud68

    Storybud68 Member

     
  5. Storybud68

    Storybud68 Member

    Thanks guys.but I'm just curious in your own experiences have you ever heard or come across it?
     
  6. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    I'd have to research for the details but to the best of my recollection there have been evidential mediums who have provided both names. But this is going back several decades to a time when mediumship was more observed than it is now, perhaps when there were more - and more accomplished - practitioners. I can't think of anyone now who provides both names.

    It's actually something I've asked about myself but the only reasonable explanation seems to be that after a time (there is no time as we experience it, of course, 'over there') names become less important to those discarnates who manage to communicate their existence. We don't know how important they are to those who we don't hear from. Some discarnates don't even appear to convey their first names!



    But mediumship is far from being definable in detail. It's a mixture of the competence /experience/knowledge of the communicator and the receptiveness /experience/ understanding of the go-between, the medium. I'd say it's arguable that an accomplished, experienced medium may 'have the way' to tease out more relevant detail from a communicator. It's hardly different than what we experience as incarnates. Accomplished interviewers may be able to tease out from less experienced - or evasive! - interviewees more than a less experienced interviewer. And in many ways a medium may be likened to an interviewer - the medium may need to hear a snippet of information but then mentally quiz their discarnate 'interviewee' to glean a little more evidence about it to say more about who the communicator is or was.

    I'd love to hear the position from a medium's standpoint but sadly we don't have any active ones on ALF.
     
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  7. Storybud68

    Storybud68 Member

    Thanks mac really appreciate all your insight.and taking the time to reply in detail it's invaluablecheers David
     
  8. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    I've asked friends on another website if they can help with this topic and it's led to an interesting conversation there too! ;) I'm hoping for another reply there shortly.

    Whether we'll move forward with this subject remains to be seen! :D
     
  9. Bill Z

    Bill Z Active Member

    Today I went for the second time to a Spiritualist church. A British medium Paul Jacobs was there. He pointed to me and said Joe is here. The love of my life was also there. A while back another psychic told me that my brother Joe greeted my Susie when She transitioned.
    Paul mentioned many things about Susie and I writing to each other that only we knew. She tolf mr it was important today to make Her presence felt as I have been feeling so alone part of this week.
     
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  10. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    It's good to hear that our Brit evidential mediums are helping over on the other side of the big pond. :)
     
  11. jimrich

    jimrich Active Member

    When a medium brings in a Dis-incarnate, like my late wife or mother, I know it's my late wife or mother by the way I FEEL rather than being told that "so and so" is here. The "proof" of the Dis-incarnate's presence or identity (late wife) is in how I FEEL more than any name, image or piece of information. The same thing happens when my new fiance's mother or late husband appears to me (but not my fiance?) and I don't even know them at all but I FEEL it is actually them appearing to me from time to time in our relationship. I could never prove it is the spirit/Dis-incarnate I perceive but my feeling or intuition is good enough for me. If a medium said, "Lucy Richardson is here.", it would mean nothing to me unless I could FEEL that Lucy Richardson (my late mother) is actually here.
     
  12. Bill Z

    Bill Z Active Member

    I agree Jimrich. The feeling is what matters. Sometimes they get the names right and sometimes not. I even had a dream of walking wqith my late wife but Her name was different but it was definitely Her energy.
     
  13. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    I'm unsure if I should be leaving the link in your posting because it looks like advertising. It is, however, a French website and largely unattractive to an English speaking membership anyway I'm guessing. So for now I'm not moderating it but I am adding my reaction in the following paragraph. I hope they will be interesting and relevant points concerning psychics.

    In general terms I caution anyone tempted by visiting such practitioners - caveat emptor are the watchwords when entrusting decisions to commercial advice sites, whatever their advertised skills. Also to correct what's being claimed psychics don't have a so-called 'sixth sense' but may be able to read from their clients what's happened in their past. It's also not possible for them to see their clients' future or more accurately it's only possible for them to see potential future outcomes. That's down to the practioners' attributes and abilities and it's in those you're putting your trust if you follow their 'guidance'. There is no proven, reliable, commercial sixth-sense ability else if there were the possessors wouldn't be likely to be running an advice website - they'd be making money hand-over-fist.
     
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  14. Widdershins3

    Widdershins3 Active Member

    I recall Mark Ireland saying in (I think) his first book that his father, who was a very famous psychic medium back in the 1950's-60's, occasionally did get last names. If I had more time right now, I would reread Mark's book, but sadly I do not. I did do a quick search and found a brief bio of him here: http://www.drrichardireland.com/bio.html Perhaps someone else here remembers him or has more info from research on the man.
     
  15. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    I asked elsewhere about this subject on another website where I'm a regular. Despite initial thoughts that some mediums did obtain last names there was little evidence that was the actual case. Other personal information wasn't uncommon but last names - surnames - didn't seem to figure in the sittingor demonstration.
     
  16. genewardsmith

    genewardsmith Active Member

    Physical mediumship or EVP have no such difficulty.
     
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  17. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    Except that there are few physical mediums and some who claim to be are actually phenomenalists - which mediums do you know who can/could provide last names as well as first ones?

    And what statistics are there to show that EVP yields both first and last names? I don't mean communicators just claiming to be so-and-so but substantiated names.
     
  18. GreenDragon

    GreenDragon New Member

    I rightly or wrongly believe that the majority of messages received are through pictures and if for example a medium pictures their friend Bob Davies, you will obviously only be given Bob.

    I myself have been very fortunate to experience many things but rarely anything audible. I'm new here BTW so hello to everyone and please excuse my errors in composing sentences, pronunciation etc ( i had little schooling )...thank God for spell checker.
     
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  19. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    It's likely an unsupportable assumption that the majority of messages arrive through pictures. I'm not aware of any data showing the actual situation and I doubt that any such statistics are available.

    When a clairudient medium hears a discarnate communicator there are no pictures - information is passed to the recipient and is based on what the medium hears clairaudiently. If a communicator is no longer addressed using both names 'Bob Davies' it's understandable if he were to say his name is just 'Bob'. But I don't know if that's the general situation. As I grow ever older, however, I refer to myself using just my first name, much less so by both first and lastnames. Perhaps if Bob were old when he passed he would think of himself just as 'Bob'. But again I don't know if that's the general situation.

    A purely clairvoyant medium won't hear anything but their communicator's name may be impressed telepathically on them accompanied by a description based on what the medium is seeing.
     
  20. GreenDragon

    GreenDragon New Member

    If i was Bob Davies then i would sure want to provide the best possible evidence by providing my surname, hence the posters doubt regarding the subject.

    IMO Spirit people know the importance of the surname regarding evidence, hence my point and it must be very frustrating for both them and their loved ones that the medium is unable to receive it, i can also imagine many are even advised not to even bother trying to get it over.
     
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