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Mediums ,getting a surname?

Discussion in 'General Afterlife Discussions' started by Storybud68, Oct 20, 2017.

  1. Storybud68

    Storybud68 Member

    hi.Ive been to many mediums over the years, and have talked to many people who been to mediums,and I have personally had mediums getting Christian names of people I know who have crossed over,but I've never heard of a medium getting a Christian name and a surname for a spirit.This to me would greatly enhance my belief that they are actually talking to the spirit.any views very welcome.David
     
  2. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    It would indeed be nice if spirit communicators always provided first and last names along with a bunch of other, persuasive information. Sadly it's often not how things work so we have to be prepared to consider something less.
     
  3. RobertaGrimes

    RobertaGrimes Administrator

    Storybud68, how many first names exist, do you think? In English alone, many thousands? If mediums were only guessing, what are the odds against chance that a given medium would guess ANY first names correctly? I recall once that a medium came out with Bertha and Jerry and told me right off the bat how I was related to them (mother-in-law and brother-in-law), and she gave me some little personal details about each of their lives. There is no way that she could have gotten information about collateral relatives like them from the Internet! She got my parents' first names correctly as well, but I discount that since there may be a listing of my parents somewhere. As Mac says, it's not the mediums, but the communicators who generally don't bother with surnames!
     
  4. Storybud68

    Storybud68 Member

     
  5. Storybud68

    Storybud68 Member

    Thanks guys.but I'm just curious in your own experiences have you ever heard or come across it?
     
  6. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    I'd have to research for the details but to the best of my recollection there have been evidential mediums who have provided both names. But this is going back several decades to a time when mediumship was more observed than it is now, perhaps when there were more - and more accomplished - practitioners. I can't think of anyone now who provides both names.

    It's actually something I've asked about myself but the only reasonable explanation seems to be that after a time (there is no time as we experience it, of course, 'over there') names become less important to those discarnates who manage to communicate their existence. We don't know how important they are to those who we don't hear from. Some discarnates don't even appear to convey their first names!



    But mediumship is far from being definable in detail. It's a mixture of the competence /experience/knowledge of the communicator and the receptiveness /experience/ understanding of the go-between, the medium. I'd say it's arguable that an accomplished, experienced medium may 'have the way' to tease out more relevant detail from a communicator. It's hardly different than what we experience as incarnates. Accomplished interviewers may be able to tease out from less experienced - or evasive! - interviewees more than a less experienced interviewer. And in many ways a medium may be likened to an interviewer - the medium may need to hear a snippet of information but then mentally quiz their discarnate 'interviewee' to glean a little more evidence about it to say more about who the communicator is or was.

    I'd love to hear the position from a medium's standpoint but sadly we don't have any active ones on ALF.
     
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  7. Storybud68

    Storybud68 Member

    Thanks mac really appreciate all your insight.and taking the time to reply in detail it's invaluablecheers David
     
  8. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    I've asked friends on another website if they can help with this topic and it's led to an interesting conversation there too! ;) I'm hoping for another reply there shortly.

    Whether we'll move forward with this subject remains to be seen! :D
     
  9. Bill Z

    Bill Z Active Member

    Today I went for the second time to a Spiritualist church. A British medium Paul Jacobs was there. He pointed to me and said Joe is here. The love of my life was also there. A while back another psychic told me that my brother Joe greeted my Susie when She transitioned.
    Paul mentioned many things about Susie and I writing to each other that only we knew. She tolf mr it was important today to make Her presence felt as I have been feeling so alone part of this week.
     
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  10. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    It's good to hear that our Brit evidential mediums are helping over on the other side of the big pond. :)
     
  11. jimrich

    jimrich Active Member

    When a medium brings in a Dis-incarnate, like my late wife or mother, I know it's my late wife or mother by the way I FEEL rather than being told that "so and so" is here. The "proof" of the Dis-incarnate's presence or identity (late wife) is in how I FEEL more than any name, image or piece of information. The same thing happens when my new fiance's mother or late husband appears to me (but not my fiance?) and I don't even know them at all but I FEEL it is actually them appearing to me from time to time in our relationship. I could never prove it is the spirit/Dis-incarnate I perceive but my feeling or intuition is good enough for me. If a medium said, "Lucy Richardson is here.", it would mean nothing to me unless I could FEEL that Lucy Richardson (my late mother) is actually here.
     
  12. Bill Z

    Bill Z Active Member

    I agree Jimrich. The feeling is what matters. Sometimes they get the names right and sometimes not. I even had a dream of walking wqith my late wife but Her name was different but it was definitely Her energy.
     
  13. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    I'm unsure if I should be leaving the link in your posting because it looks like advertising. It is, however, a French website and largely unattractive to an English speaking membership anyway I'm guessing. So for now I'm not moderating it but I am adding my reaction in the following paragraph. I hope they will be interesting and relevant points concerning psychics.

    In general terms I caution anyone tempted by visiting such practitioners - caveat emptor are the watchwords when entrusting decisions to commercial advice sites, whatever their advertised skills. Also to correct what's being claimed psychics don't have a so-called 'sixth sense' but may be able to read from their clients what's happened in their past. It's also not possible for them to see their clients' future or more accurately it's only possible for them to see potential future outcomes. That's down to the practioners' attributes and abilities and it's in those you're putting your trust if you follow their 'guidance'. There is no proven, reliable, commercial sixth-sense ability else if there were the possessors wouldn't be likely to be running an advice website - they'd be making money hand-over-fist.
     
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  14. Widdershins3

    Widdershins3 Active Member

    I recall Mark Ireland saying in (I think) his first book that his father, who was a very famous psychic medium back in the 1950's-60's, occasionally did get last names. If I had more time right now, I would reread Mark's book, but sadly I do not. I did do a quick search and found a brief bio of him here: http://www.drrichardireland.com/bio.html Perhaps someone else here remembers him or has more info from research on the man.
     
  15. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    I asked elsewhere about this subject on another website where I'm a regular. Despite initial thoughts that some mediums did obtain last names there was little evidence that was the actual case. Other personal information wasn't uncommon but last names - surnames - didn't seem to figure in the sittingor demonstration.
     
  16. genewardsmith

    genewardsmith Active Member

    Physical mediumship or EVP have no such difficulty.
     
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  17. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    Except that there are few physical mediums and some who claim to be are actually phenomenalists - which mediums do you know who can/could provide last names as well as first ones?

    And what statistics are there to show that EVP yields both first and last names? I don't mean communicators just claiming to be so-and-so but substantiated names.
     
  18. GreenDragon

    GreenDragon New Member

    I rightly or wrongly believe that the majority of messages received are through pictures and if for example a medium pictures their friend Bob Davies, you will obviously only be given Bob.

    I myself have been very fortunate to experience many things but rarely anything audible. I'm new here BTW so hello to everyone and please excuse my errors in composing sentences, pronunciation etc ( i had little schooling )...thank God for spell checker.
     
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  19. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    It's likely an unsupportable assumption that the majority of messages arrive through pictures. I'm not aware of any data showing the actual situation and I doubt that any such statistics are available.

    When a clairudient medium hears a discarnate communicator there are no pictures - information is passed to the recipient and is based on what the medium hears clairaudiently. If a communicator is no longer addressed using both names 'Bob Davies' it's understandable if he were to say his name is just 'Bob'. But I don't know if that's the general situation. As I grow ever older, however, I refer to myself using just my first name, much less so by both first and lastnames. Perhaps if Bob were old when he passed he would think of himself just as 'Bob'. But again I don't know if that's the general situation.

    A purely clairvoyant medium won't hear anything but their communicator's name may be impressed telepathically on them accompanied by a description based on what the medium is seeing.
     
  20. GreenDragon

    GreenDragon New Member

    If i was Bob Davies then i would sure want to provide the best possible evidence by providing my surname, hence the posters doubt regarding the subject.

    IMO Spirit people know the importance of the surname regarding evidence, hence my point and it must be very frustrating for both them and their loved ones that the medium is unable to receive it, i can also imagine many are even advised not to even bother trying to get it over.
     
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  21. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    I understand the point you've made in your first sentence but let's be realistic. You don't actually know how you'll feel after you've passed over although you may find you're right. I don't disagree and what you've said makes sense while we're still alive in-the-body but after death we'll likely see things differently. And the reality appears to be that fewer first and last names are provided during mediumship than just the first name.

    As for your point in your first sentence of the second paragraph, well it's conjecture and our friends unseen may be trying a raft of ways to authenticate their existence but still failing. If it were simple and straightforward then surely trans-dimensional communication would be far more commonplace and evidential that it appears to be. Wouldn't you agree?

    I don't agree with your final point. Who would advise someone desperately trying to communicate their survival and presence to loved ones desperately hoping to hear from them? Their helpers/guides/teachers? That makes no sense at all - helpers are there to help and support, not to dissuade.
     
  22. GreenDragon

    GreenDragon New Member

    I don't know what "trans-dimensional communication" is Mac...never heard of it?

    Regarding "who would advise" well, as in this life ...those with experience.

    Surnames are seldom given (fact) and the main reason for that IMO is because pictures are the most common form of communication, there will be a number of reasons for that namely, when a medium first starts out the vast majority will/do not develop their listening. Pictures are easier and can be trusted more when dealing with problems of imagination....is it me?/or them?. Spirit people can help with pictures and on occasions will show the picture twice, show a picture your as sure as can be you've not imagined or when you look at a particular person in a group show it at that exact moment and occasionally you will see the picture outside of the mind but with sound, its much more difficult to overcome.
     
  23. Bill Z

    Bill Z Active Member

    Just my 2cents: Several mediums I've heard both alone and in groups have spoke the first name of a person correctly but also often times confused names like Fred instead of Frank, etc. We are all learning, them and us. We are all sharpening our skills (if that is part of our path) But after the medium would say a similar but not exact name they would go on to express things that only the transitioned person knew/experienced so there appeared to be definite contact.
    I look at the misconceptions and mistakes I make and
     
  24. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    trans-dimensional = communication across the dimensions = between here and 'over there'. Communication from those thought of as dead with those living in this world/dimension.

    My question was rhetorical and (my bad) I actually MEANT to ask: "Who would advise someone desperately trying to communicate their survival and presence to loved ones desperately hoping to hear from them (quoting your words now) "....not to even bother trying to get it over." ? Their helpers/guides/teachers? That makes no sense at all - helpers are there to help and support, not to dissuade those they're there to help from trying to communicate. (extra words added for clarity)

    agreed

    conjecture - Where is your evidence of what you're asserting?


    conjecture ditto

    conjecture ditto


    fair comment - some may do what you say

    How does your mediumship work - clairvoyance or clairaudience or both?
     
  25. GreenDragon

    GreenDragon New Member

    Mac when you asked "who would advise", its was my mistake not to be clear in my reply...Those with experience on the other side will no doubt give the newcomers the heads up regarding sound stuff when trying to communicate through mediums. they probably don't listen...live and learn.

    My "evidence" is from personnel experience having attended my local spirituals church and from there becoming part of their weekly development group.

    My mediumship was mostly pictures as i described earlier, i have occasionally heard stuff but, i cant get over my own imagination. The only exception being the one (and only) time a fellow appeared in front of me and told me a clear fact about himself.
     
  26. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    Best not to assume your personal experience necessarily reflects the overall situation concerning mediumship. Also I expect what I mean by mediumship is likely different from what you mean.
     
  27. Shirley Shockley

    Shirley Shockley New Member

    My uncle has been to a psychic when he was going through some business related issue in his life. He faced financial crises due to it. Someone told him to talk to a psychic to know why he was facing these problems. He then found Voyance Direct from Martine Voyance by searching on the internet. Even this can be her surname. Psychics have six sense that can see our past as well as future. They can tell you what is not letting you live your life peacefully.
     
  28. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    caveat emptor

    Psychics, or for that matter, mediums MAY be able to help an individual but it's important to understand the nature of any 'advice' given. All psychics, or for that matter, mediums are not of equal calibre and none of them is able reliably to tell 'the future'. Just one reason for that is that there is no single future outcome anyway; what happens may be impacted by the actions of others so there are many potential futures. A good psychic with sound intuition/insight may read from an individual and help by suggesting possible courses of action - or things to avoid - but they don't necessarily know exactly what's right for you.

    By all means consult whomever you feel may be able to help you but always be cautious about any 'advice' you're given and evaluate whether it feels right for you.
     
  29. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    This is to try to help anyone unsure what various words imply. The word 'psychic' may be short for 'psychic medium'. A 'medium' may also be called a 'spiritual medium'. Is there a difference? Well, yes, but often the terms are used interchangeably.

    It's often said that a medium is psychic but not all psychics are mediums. Not particularly helpful until those words have been defined to some degree.

    Being psychic (or a psychic) infers an ability to discern information not available to most others, information learned directly from an individual and/or in some other non-physical way.

    Mediums ('spiritual mediums') also have psychic ability but additionally are able to communicate with individuals not living in this dimension. ('spirits') Information gained in that latter way may be intended for a specific individual and such mediumship may be termed 'evidential mediumship'. Evidence of the identity of a spirit is a vital part of such information. (message)

    A psychic may also enjoy guidance from spirits but doesn't provide information in the way a medium does. A psychic may use her/his intuituion and experience to offer help to a seeker but doesn't give a message in the way a medium does.
     
  30. Auseret

    Auseret New Member

    To whom it may concern, if you wish to know whether Mediums are able to give surname look up Gordon Higginson ,one of the best Mediums of thev20 th century ,also he was the president of Spiritualist National union for over 30 years. There are Several you tube videos of him demonstrating Mediumship.
    As it is the Spirit that is giving information to the Medium it is the choice of the Spirit individual to give whatever he or she want to to give ,after all they don't only have a personality while talking to through medium and it suddenly once the communications stops The Soul Consciousness is l like diamond ,each life is a facet of the stone, it is not Seperate but merges in a flowing mental rivers so they can recall life they have , had on Earth .
     
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