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Mass Murderers

Discussion in 'General Afterlife Discussions' started by jobun, Jul 16, 2019.

  1. jobun

    jobun New Member

    this may have been asked and answered but I am curious about some thing.
    If we make a life plan before we come to earth, did people like Hitler or Osama Bin Laden plan on mass murdering people as part of their plan? I mean is there a purpose to the horrors that we have been dealing with throughout history? Is this part of our soul learning? or just some sort of free will thing that had nothing to do with our initial life plan? what about the victims? do you think they planned on being murdered as part of a learning experience for the soul?

    If Hitler came back reincarnated, can he come back as a good guy? would the horrors of the Holocaust be forgiven in his soul? do you think he would even be able to come back?
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  2. jobun

    jobun New Member

    I may have posted this in the wrong section. Please feel free to move it if I did.
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  3. Luna

    Luna New Member

    I do recall the Hitler question being asked before, I think in an old Q&A Carol and Mikey answered.

    I'm fairly certain Mikey explained that Hitler planned to live a life devoid of love. A difficult, loveless life. What ensued due to that (the Holocaust) was not pre-planned or intentional. Of course, lots of lessons have resulted from that but a huge loss of life, pain, suffering as well. He chose to have a difficult life, but the decisions he made were his own free will.

    I recommend reading the Q&As. I've read through them a few times. Very interesting.
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  4. RobertaGrimes

    RobertaGrimes Administrator

    Jobun, we are told that harming others is not a part of anyone's life plan, but since we have free will of course we can choose to go off-track. There is no judgment there by anyone but ourselves, and we are told - unconfirmed - that Hitler managed to forgive himself for what he did in that lifetime, but those who carried out his orders had a lot more trouble with forgiveness so many of the concentration camp guards, etc., ended up in the lowest outer darkness level.
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  5. jobun

    jobun New Member

    thanks Luna. I realize I should have searched it out first. It is kind of sad that he chose a life devoid of love. I guess he had some lessons to learn on that front. I will review the Q&A's when I get a moment.

    Roberta, thank you - I always had hope that when we make our life plan, we don't deliberately choose to harm others, otherwise it's not really free will, is it?. It is sad that people choose to hurt, kill and cause much harm to others and themselves too.
  6. poeticblue

    poeticblue member

    Our free will comes mainly from what we learn from the acts that we commit, not the actual act itself. It is up to us how we deal with our situations. That’s where the learning process is and free will begins.

    But who’s to say that we haven’t charted hurt, pain, turmoil to be bestowed upon each other and for ourselves. Why else would be here other than to learn from those situations? Sounds like a waste of time to me to come here and take away nothing from our experiences other than dwelling on the fact how difficult and upsetting they were.

    We need to make use of what we have to work with here and use the props we were given so we can follow through with our journey.
    Last edited: Jul 17, 2019
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  7. jobun

    jobun New Member

    I thought free will was the choosing of your actions, and then learning as a result of your choice
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  8. poeticblue

    poeticblue member

    Free will mainly comes from what we’ve learned from the act we’ve committed rather than the actual act. We can choose to deal with our circumstances in a certain way and depending on how we deal with them, will create a certain outcome.

    I’m pretty sure we are trying to say the same thing but differently. It could be me and my misunderstandings :)
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  9. Kurt

    Kurt Major Contributor

    @jobun it's also said that Hitler came here in order to cause as much evil as he could so that the backlash to it would lead to more love and interconnectedness.
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  10. baob

    baob New Member

    This is the question that stills puzzles me. We are told this world needs to have positive and negative existing at the same time. If this Hitler didn't cause the harm to the world, there must be another guy who did the harm. It seems the tragedy would happen no matter what. I don't remember where I read or told, when there is too much population, there will be a war.
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