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making things fit?

Discussion in 'Spiritual Growth & Development' started by mac, Oct 1, 2018.

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Do you feel the young woman DID make a choice at some point?

  1. no - it was just misfortune

    44.4%
  2. yes - it was likely planned before her incarnation

    22.2%
  3. yes - it was brought about after she began her life here

    11.1%
  4. no - her chosen exit as a youngster was for other reasons

    22.2%
  1. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    Here on my side of the big pond there's been an inquest into the death of a young woman. She died because of her long-standing and extreme sesame seed allergy after buying a prepared sandwich. She'd checked the label on the sandwich which complied with regulations and showed no sesame ingredient. She died in the arms of her dad even though he'd tried to save her using the two 'epi-pens' she always carried for emergencies. Needles likely weren't long enough to reach muscle tissue the inquest found.

    It's easy to make things fit by saying her death was something she'd planned before inacarnation as a wake-up call for better labeling in the UK; maybe it was. But maybe I'd be putting an undeserved gloss on a desperately tragic and traumatic, totally avoidable, untimely death.

    What, though, if it WERE a planned outcome? Might it have always been the planned outcome, something orchestrated by our friends unseen to result in her death when she was 20 15 years old? (age edited - my mistake)

    Or might it have been a changed plan for the outcome of her life, something cobbled together by these unseen entities? A previously-unplanned, 'exit point' concocted by her and orchestrated by her helpers in response to her concerns about the potential dangers to others. Something she saw after she began her life in this world, a sacrifice that others might be protected?

    Or was it just an unplanned, accidental, tragic end to a life that had actually been intended to last longer and achieve more?

    Take a look at the poll questions and vote please.

    Then maybe you'd like to give us your thoughts about my ideas or add your own thoughts?
     
  2. bluebird

    bluebird Well-Known Member

    Assuming there is an afterlife/beforelife, in my opinion we do not choose all of the events of our lives, even all of the major ones, including death. Perhaps we don't choose any of it. I acknowledge that it is possible that she chose her death, but given the pain it must be causing her loved ones, I doubt it. In my opinion it is a sad, unplanned tragedy.
     
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  3. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    I used to feel similar, bb, but now I harbor doubts and think it's at least a possibility - even if it's a long shot.
     
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  4. bluebird

    bluebird Well-Known Member

    Could be a possibility, I agree. I just know, deep in my soul, that neither my husband nor I chose for him to die when he did. Because of that, I know that these things aren't always done by choice. That doesn't mean that sometimes they aren't, though, if there is a "beforelife" in which we can make such decisions.

    For me, that knowledge would not bring any peace, it would only make me feel worse. Perhaps for that young woman's family it would also make them feel worse if they knew that it was her choice, or perhaps it would help bring them some peace. I suppose that depends on the person/people.
     
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  5. ForeverAutumn

    ForeverAutumn New Member

    This is a tricky one. I think any of the first three options might be true. However, I've gone with "likely planned before her incarnation" for the following reasons.

    I think it highly likely that we survive our physical deaths and continue to exist in non-material reality. I also think there's a strong possibility that we reincarnate, and that we do tend to plan the main events of our lives here (although not down to the tiniest detail) and that may include one or more "exit points".

    There is the fact that many children and young people die, and this happens every day all over the world, due to illnesses, accidents, wars, murder and so on. Without some form of direct communication, we will not know whether any one of these deaths was planned before incarnation, but I think that given the sheer number of cases throughout history the possibility is there (not in every instance, perhaps).

    I wouldn't want to dismiss the impact or the horror or heartbreak of these events. They shouldn't be trivialised or somehow pushed away from our thoughts as being "okay" when, to family members and loved ones especially, they're not okay at all - the shock, pain, grieving and sense of loss are very real.

    On the other hand, the problem is that we're experiencing all of this, and discussing it, from this side of the physical/non-physical divide. We don't have all the information. It's like holding a small two-dimensional puzzle piece and trying to fit it into a huge puzzle that exists in three or more dimensions, without being able to mentally grasp these dimensions and see where the piece might go.

    So when a young person unexpectedly dies, the general tendency is to say they have gone "before their time". And that may well be true. However, it might also be the case that they had a mission (of which we cannot know the details) and that they completed that mission, whatever it was, as planned.
     
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