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Looking For Proof

Discussion in 'General Afterlife Discussions' started by joyellen, Feb 20, 2019.

  1. DenverGuy

    DenverGuy Active Member

    "Hmm... I just read the reviews on Amazon." Almost 5 stars on Amazon! People love it.
     
  2. joyellen

    joyellen New Member

    RobertaGrimes, the afterlife is not a proven fact. I can breathe air. I can feel gravity. I can catch colds from others around me. These are all things I have experienced. I’ve also done A LOT of reading. In fact, I’ve read so much on the subject and I've watched so many NDEs on Youtube that I really don’t think I’m going to gain anything more from reading more of the same thing. In regard to the reviews on Amazon, the point I was trying to make is that the book "The Fun of Dying..." is a summary and distillation of other books on the subject according to Jennifer, and it doesn't provide proof of an afterlife according to Robert M. Hemm. You can read those reviews yourself if you like.

    In regard to my cousins, I can see how there could be misunderstanding. It happened a long time ago in the mid 1960s. No one at the time knew my cousins were colorblind. It was only when they weren’t permitted to go to the first grade because they didn’t know their colors that my aunt pursued the matter. It happened so long ago that I'm unsure if it was just my slightly older cousin who flunked kindergarten, or if it was both of them.

    Perhaps, it was my use of the word “flunk” that people found offensive. That’s what we said back then and nobody found it offensive, not me, not my aunt, not my cousins. But I know, people can easily get offended today.

    Anyway, both my cousins weren’t just completely colorblind, which is very rare, they also had very poor eyesight and their eyes were very sensitive to the light. They got to see an eye specialist for free and got their eye glasses for free. Their eye specialist was researching their eyes, which helped advance technology, not just for people who are colorblind.

    I didn’t say anything disrespectful about my cousins. I didn’t say anything that they wouldn’t tell you themselves. I brought up my cousins because I felt sad when I was a kid that they couldn’t see any colors. I wanted to explain to them what colors were like. I couldn’t. I felt this was a good analogy for trying to explain the afterlife to someone who has never experienced it.

    It’s not important that you believe or disbelieve that my two cousins are completely colorblind. That wasn’t the point of my comment. The point of my comment was that we can try to explain an experience to someone, but that person isn’t going to truly understand it until s/he experiences it her/himself. Therefore, if it's possible, and I realize that many people aren't in touch with their consciousness, to experience the spiritual world firsthand while still being alive, then why not?
     
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  3. poeticblue

    poeticblue member

    Oh my... where should we even begin...
     
  4. mac

    mac Staff Member

    So what exactly what would constitute 'proof' for you personally? Are you looking for help or just somewhere to grumble? You've effectively thrown back in Roberta's face the offer of information to help you look for yourself and that's plain bad manners.

    And maybe you should ask yourself why you registered an account here on ALF in the first place.
     
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  5. RobertaGrimes

    RobertaGrimes Administrator

    Dear Joyellen, you seem to be one of "a type" who sometimes stop by here. You are made uncomfortable by the possibility of an afterlife, so you watch snatches of YouTubes and read bits of information here and there, just enough to reassure yourself that there is no afterlife. Good for you! I'm glad that you feel comforted by having your preferences confirmed by what you have chosen to see. But we have found that people who don't want to learn that the afterlife is real do not do well on this website, so I wonder whether you might be happier among people who share your biases?
     
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  6. mac

    mac Staff Member

    joyellen may I remind you - and anyone unclear about AfterLifeForums - of the 'mission statement' of this website? It goes as follows:
    "Afterlife Forums is an online, interactive community designed to give seekers direct access to prominent researchers, to afterlife literature, and to one another in order to foster both spiritual growth and public interest in life after death."

    This is not my website - what I write here I write as a regular member and a frequent contributor.

    I have no difficulty with anyone saying she can't understand or can't accept the notion of survival. Thirty odd years ago it might have been what I would have said. But thirty odd years ago I began my search for understanding and may I please tell you I have had no special 'proof' of anything. However I am the sort of individual who listened to what others said, read the words of individuals who told me things I didn't have any experience of. The web was then many years in our future, yet to be invented. Research was far less easy than it is now and there was no 'talking' to folk living thousands of miles away. It's a doddle now compared to what it used to be. But I did my research, sometimes walked down blind alleys, but eventually found enough information to understand the little I do understand. When I can I pass on whatever seems appropriate for other seekers.

    Nowadays, though, when individuals come to ALF and talk through their ass about things they know bugger-all about it makes me tetchy - you might have noticed that in the way I write on occasion! :D If anyone wants to trash the philosophy that underpins my life and that of others here well I'll be happy to provide 'em with the addresses of other websites where they can do just that - I'm also a regular on them too! But you won't be allowed to trash anything or anybody on ALF.
     
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  7. bluebird

    bluebird Major Contributor

    I understand where you're coming from, regarding proof and the lack thereof. I find it interesting to read the accounts people provide regarding NDEs, the afterlife, etc., but to me none of that constitutes actual proof. I absolutely do hope there is an afterlife of love, hope that in it we are reunited with our dead loved ones, hope that they remain themselves, and hope that we are able to be together there however we choose. For me, the only proof will be, as you said, first-hand experience.
     
  8. ravensgate

    ravensgate Regular Contributor

    Not to be a stick in the mud, but - based on our conversations - how long would it take you to start doubting a "first-hand experience"? I had a few first-hand experiences; days or weeks later, however, I'd begin questioning the experience... rather maddening, I must say, but there you have it o_O
    So what experience would cast all your doubts aside?
    Thank you, my DLDF :)
     
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  9. bluebird

    bluebird Major Contributor

    Fair question, lol. I honestly don't know. Maybe even first-hand experience wouldn't hold true for me for long, but I think it's the only thing that might. Ideally, I want to see and hear and feel my husband, in my apartment, when I am fully awake. I want to have a long conversation with him, in which he tells me, among other things, that there is an afterlife, that he is still himself and that I will still be myself there, and that we can exist there however we choose. I realize that it's unlikely I will have that experience to that degree, but that's what would be most likely to rid me of doubt.

    p.s. it's good to see you post here again. ;)
     
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  10. ravensgate

    ravensgate Regular Contributor

    I think I mentioned the full apparition of my daughter's boyfriend, as well as my GSD. One was in the evening, the GSD happened in broad daylight. I had no doubt whatsoever at the time they occurred, but weeks, perhaps months later, I started to question. I searched for the "rational explanation", searched so hard that I made a complete fool of myself! :D:D
    Hoping for another "proof", hopefully in the near future.
    I chose to reply to your post rather than send one of my famous e-mails/novellas! However, I promise I will send an e-mail in the next week or so.... lots of catching up to do.
    I prefer to read the ALF posts/threads and form my own opinions. Honestly, I really do not have many useful experiences to share on ALF. True, I experienced many inexplicable events in the course of my medical career, but not sure they'd add much here.... and so here I stand, "made weak by time and fate, but strong in will, to strive, to seek, to find" - and perhaps one day to yield ;)
    G'night, my dear friend :)
     
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