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Is it too easy?

Discussion in 'General Afterlife Discussions' started by Celera, Oct 12, 2012.

  1. Sapphire

    Sapphire Member

    Carol and Mikey,

    I am delighted to read yet more confirmation of music's presence in Heaven. Anthony Borgia's book (re: Monsignor Robert Hugh Benson's experiences) describes going to concerts, seeing musicians playing actual instruments, and how music *is* color.

    Music has always been an integral part of my life (playing, listening, singing). Knowing I will be able to continue drumming and enjoying the deep house/chillout/trance music that has been my soundtrack is a tremendous comfort.
     
  2. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    What's not clear is what form of amplification if there are electric/electronic instruments and/or what form of energy would power any sort of amplifier, if such things exist. I haven't, for example, read any reference to electricity in the etheric or the operation of electrically-powered devices of any description..... ;)

    I'd guess that instruments which use mechanical energy - pianos, strings,or drums for example - would work but as we don't breathe air, wind instruments would work using what? And if there's no air, what would convey the sound energy? Maybe all this is too literal and the type of musical instruments we find there will work differently. I, too, have read about concerts but I fancy they will be different than/from the ones we know here.

    And much as I enjoy trance, house and garage I'm not expecting to hear them in the etheric after I've kicked my clogs. :eek:
     
  3. Sapphire

    Sapphire Member

    mac,

    I suppose therein lies the mystery ... we won't know how these things work until we get there. Sometimes I try to figure things out using my rather limited 3D physical brain and predictably, hit a wall :confused:

    Things "over there" run on a different energy, from what I understand. Music is all about vibrations, right? The intriguing thing is how it is also interconnected with color, according to these accounts of the Afterlife.

    Perhaps MS Windows Media Player (and its trippy visual pane) is onto something ...
     
  4. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    "Knowing I will be able to continue drumming and enjoying the deep house/chillout/trance music....." It's this aspect that began my discussion. Because such music is sythesised electronically (which I love incidentally) - and we have no notion whether electrons are even found in the etheric - then production of this music (or similar) there has a highly uncertainty factor.

    And yes music is all about vibration but please correct me if I'm wrong on this but don't we mostly appreciate music via sound and doesn't sound mostly get carried by air to our hearing system?

    The aspect of any interconnection of music with color might be similar to synesthesia. Our appreciation of sound - and colour - might be through a different form of sensory mechanism but, unlike synesthesia, would be characteristic of our etheric bodies. Put simply we'll experience music and colour somewhat differently from the way we do now and the production, and experiencing of, both may be totally different from the ways we know now.

    Perhaps the "trippy visual pane", reminiscent of the days of LSD etc, may not be too far from etheric actuality.....?
     
  5. Sapphire

    Sapphire Member

    I know ... I can only hope, unless it's possible to come back now and then and "plug into" Pandora!

    And we don't know how music travels on the Other Side; just that it is there. :D

    I often wonder whether how we experience music on this plane is inspired by Spirit. It is no doubt influenced from above; it transcends culture, race, language, etc. It is truly the "Universal Language."
     
  6. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    "I often wonder whether how we experience music on this plane is inspired by Spirit. It is no doubt influenced from above; it transcends culture, race, language, etc. It is truly the "Universal Language."

    Pieces of music may be inspired by discarnate friends and although music may be thought of as a universal language, it's one which has value only for certain roles. And not all pieces, or styles, are appreciated universally.

    It's a limited form of communication.
     
  7. Matty Mo

    Matty Mo New Member

    So we all might get to see that Beatles reunion afterall someday. That is if John and Paul can get along in the afterlife. :) Thanks for sharing, Carol, thank Mikey to for me.
     
  8. Carol and Mikey

    Carol and Mikey Golden Hearts

    OK. Sooooooo............ Mikey tells me that music (which is fabulous in Heaven) is different than here because it is created by "mind energy" and manifested by love. You "hear" with your mind. You no longer use your "ears" to hear in Heaven. The "music" your mind "creates", other "minds" can hear. Instruments you enjoyed here can be used in Heaven. Just know the instrument doesn't create the beautiful sound as much as your mind does! (Mikey's report).

    Chrismc3,
    Mikey has talked about sex before on other threads. He says sex is not always a loving act on earth. It can be a "physical desire" or it can be an "aggressive act". In Heaven, sex is not a concern and doesn't generally happen. Mikey tells me a hug in Heaven is far superior to any sex on earth with the loving energy exchanged! (He was a 20 year old college student remember!) :) So there you have it!
    Carol and Mikey "in Spirit"
     
  9. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    "Mikey tells me that music (which is fabulous in Heaven) is different than here because it is created by "mind energy" and manifested by love. You "hear" with your mind. You no longer use your "ears" to hear in Heaven. The "music" your mind "creates", other "minds" can hear. Instruments you enjoyed here can be used in Heaven. Just know the instrument doesn't create the beautiful sound as much as your mind does."

    As I'd hinted at earlier any prospect of playing and listening to conventional instruments is just about ruled out. This has been an interesting example of how a subject can be steadily progressed by a stepwise approach to building an understanding by asking simple questions and then asking others based on what's been said.

    All too often a potentially revealing subject gets submerged when contributors fail to build on points made and/or add unrelated issues which then pull-focus resulting in the original getting lost. :(
     
  10. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    "Mikey has talked about sex before on other threads. He says sex is not always a loving act on earth. It can be a "physical desire" or it can be an "aggressive act". In Heaven, sex is not a concern and doesn't generally happen. Mikey tells me a hug in Heaven is far superior to any sex on earth with the loving energy exchanged!"

    I think my next remarks are still about the original topic subject.

    It's useful to have a contemporary account of how things are rather than just historical, 'text-book' ones about conditions in the etheric. The aspect of sex in the physical - and its primary purpose here - leads on to another consideration, that of the bodies we'll use after we pass over.

    It's been taught that after our passing we'll use an etheric 'double' of the body we presently use. That's because we are still very much alive as individuals in the sense that we currently use the word 'individual'. After we pass we'll find our appearance recognisably similar both to ourselves and to others who know us - that's constantly reinforced by personal accounts and by teachings. It appears to be an important issue that we don't immediately become something, or someone, different. We still look like ourselves.

    BUT (isn't there always a BUT when mac writes? ;)) a little thought will show that we have organs now that we likely won't need in future. The discussion about music revealed how we appreciate it in a different way. Extrapolate that principle and we won't, for example, need lungs to breath air or stomachs and guts to process food etc. Thinking on in this vein it's surely predictable that the organs which define us as male or female (the 'naughty bits'! :D) won't have a function. The 'bits' (I'm avoiding detailed anatomy references here!) may still be there because they are part of the body shapes we recognise but without the biological function they used to have.

    So..... the sex organs no longer need to 'work' in the way they did in our physical bodies and although sexual intercourse might physically be possible, the mechanism wouldn't be quite so straightforward as presently. (As we're adults I don't think I need to go into detail - do I?) Not an impossibility but for most of us (I'm guessing) an improbability.

    But we will have solid bodies and the joy from a hug will still occur as it has no sexual component and, as Mikey says, a hug 'over there' is far superior to human sex and involves a huge exchange of loving energy.
     
    Last edited: Oct 17, 2012
  11. Bella

    Bella New Member



    Thanks for asking this question about the etheric double. I find it interesting that Native-American tribes talk about seeing this double rising out of the body at the time of passing. Since my hubby is very much into sports, life, as verified by several mediums, and in the visitations (he is doing pull ups), he seems to take great pride in his stamina. This body, which has no organs, is such a source of pride for him. Carol, can you ask Mikey if this etheric body is even more real (which is what I have read) than the physical body? Does it require work to get this body into shape?
     
  12. poeticblue

    poeticblue Moderator

    If you want rain you can have rain. If you want snow you can have snow. As a matter of fact there is snow in the afterlife particularly on the mountains. But the snow is not cold. Its actually quite warm to the touch. If you want a change of weather it will be yours. Vic plans on having an autumnland rather than a summerland in which I plan to join him. Falling leaves with slightly cooler weather. I plan on having rain every now and then. The afterlife in general is warm with pure light. But you can change it up temporarily if you want. You can have anything you want. Its a thought away.

    With that being said, there are some things that you think you may still want when you return to the afterlife only to find out that when you get there and shed your human physical self... that you may not want those earthly things anymore. But if you do.. you can still have it! No need to worry about that friend!!!
     
  13. chrismc3

    chrismc3 New Member

    Mac Wrote :

    ---A discussion beyond that might be more appropriate in another thread. ---

    __________________________________________________________________________________________________________

    I am with you there, matter of fact...After I had already posted I was sorry I even used the word 'Sex', and maybe should have kept it towards the...'Affection /Intimacy' aspect of things.

    As far as the reasoning that our bodies were designed for physical pleasure in order for us to reproduce...(and forgive me Mac, I dont have your exact quote handy)...I would venture to say this is quite true, except in the last few (50 or so ?) years, this is certainly not the case, (and I could be wrong) there are MUCH more people enjoying sex just for the 'Pleasure' aspect than to reproduce. (?)

    (it has almost become a 'Sport', which I admit is sad)

    Having said all THAT....This is the last I will post on this subject, but c'mon...I KNOW I am not the ONLY guy out there who has wondered about this particular aspect of the afterlife !

    And as I said...I am more interested in the 'Musical' aspects of my query, as even in this lifetime, I seem to derive more (prolonged) pleasure in music than I do sex, but I am getting to be an old Fuddy-Duddy ! (and I am only 56) I know, I know...TMI LOL !!!

    Interesting conversation though...

    Thank you Carol and Mikey :)

    chrismc3
     
  14. poeticblue

    poeticblue Moderator

    Whatever form of sex is used in the afterlife.. I will be doing it every single day.
     
  15. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    I actually didn't write anything like this: "As far as the reasoning that our bodies were designed for physical pleasure in order for us to reproduce.." I don't remember if anyone did but if you take a look back at my statement, I emphasised matters very differently. ;)

    And following on from that I think the global situation may not be what you're suggesting when you say: "....this is quite true, except in the last few (50 or so ?) years, this is certainly not the case, (and I could be wrong) there are MUCH more people enjoying sex just for the 'Pleasure' aspect than to reproduce." With a global population of ca 7 billion and a projected 9 billion by mid-century my feeling is that the procreation urge is as strong as ever.

    In our affluent west, however, with conception control widely available, one might be tempted to think it's more for pleasure than procreation but one would need data to know if that's the case.
     
  16. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    You may be doing it single-handed! :cool: If you still have a working bit that needs a steady hand! :eek:
     
  17. vic smyth

    vic smyth New Member

    Astral sex?


    With Lovingkindness (metta),
    vic
     
  18. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    You can keep your rain, snow, falling leaves or whatever. All I'm planning on is a full head of hair and I'll be working on that as soon as I get settled in!

    After several decades of folicly-challenged life, getting my head burned or frozen if I'm even slightly incautious outdoors, I'm going to indulge myself - even though there's no sun to burn or cold to freeze me there!! ;)
     
  19. chrismc3

    chrismc3 New Member

    Hey There Mac,

    If I mis-quoted you in any way, please accept my apologies, I am not here to be in any way 'Combative', I sometimes go for several days without puter access, for one reason or another, but the more important aspect of this post is that I DO respect your opinion, or I would not take the time to respond.

    I wish you well :)

    chrismc3
     
  20. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    It's not a problem as my original is still there but folk don't always look back or follow an ongoing thread - they could reach the wrong conclusion about my outlook. :D

    Thanks for your consideration - it's appreciated.

    mac
     
  21. Fasaga

    Fasaga New Member

    We are Eternal Mind - So I guess we just have to think about it.
     
  22. vic smyth

    vic smyth New Member

    Maybe that's why Eternal Mind reincarnates, cause It gets horny?


    With Lovingkindness (metta),
    vic
     
  23. RobertaGrimes

    RobertaGrimes Administrator

    Dear friends, as best I have been able to determine - and Mikey has concurred on this site - we do not have physical sex after death. Nor do we miss it. There is instead a kind of merger-based energy exchange - what Mikey calls a hug earlier in this thread - which is apparently more pleasurable than sex and has no morality attached to it. I think it was Bob Monroe who talked about having this experience while astral-traveling in the Summerland: he met a group of several men and a woman, and the men goaded the woman into showing him this pleasure-merger-hug sort of thingy. Gender doesn't matter, but they thought Monroe might be creeped out if a male body tried it with his male body. Now, Monroe's astral body was not precisely the same as a Summerland body would be, but he said that the woman stepped into his body-space and then out of it again and he was surprised to find that her doing this produced an intense, tingly, energy-based pleasure. Just another little something to look forward to ;-)!!
     
  24. Bella

    Bella New Member

    I felt a little funny about saying this, but a Spiritualist medium told a group of us that she experienced what she called "soul merging" while communicating with her late husband. She was holding his framed photo and crying when he made one of his frequent (She spends a lot of time with him, apparently) appearances. She said it was better than sex. Everyone in our group wanted more details, but she said it was indescribably wonderful and way beyond anything they had had while both were incarnate together, so I guess words can't describe it.
     
  25. Celera

    Celera Active Member

    There is probably a lot about the afterlife that can't be described in terms that are limited to this life.

    To tie this back to my original question -- it makes sense to me that sexuality in its purely physical sense, would have no place in a world where there is no need for reproduction, just like food or rain would not be needed. The mechanics of such a world are just different.

    Plato wrote about an idea, called the Theory of Forms, that individual things in this world are just replicas or images of the true universal thing. I'm sure I've stated that in a ludicrously oversimplified way -- but this sounds related to what Roberta has shared about the "soul-merging" -- the feelings of intimacy that is the best part of our sexuality is just a preview of much deeper intimacy that will be possible in the future. Maybe that's true of other things that we imagine we will miss in the future. Perhaps the satisfactions of good wine or a summer rain or beautiful music are all just shadows of future fulfillment of some kind. Much like a painting of the beach can be beautiful, but it's nothing like being on an actual beach.
     
  26. Jack

    Jack Member

    Roberta, I'm sorry but if I can't do it the old fashioned way with penetration and some form of spiritual ejaculation then I want no part of the afterlife.
     
  27. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    It's getting on for 5 years since Celera opened this thread and it's quite some time since I saw her here last..... She may still be a silent visitor but anyone replying to her specifically may not get a response from her.
     
  28. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    Others want no part of an afterlife either but for other reasons. As far as I'm aware, however, it's not optional.

    Corporeal death here leads on to spiritual life elsewhere in the etheric. You can say/resolve you don't want any part of the afterlife but you can't actually avoid being alive there.

    However if you are determined enough you will be able to 'turn your back' on what others do in the so-called afterlife and live a life not involved with them. It's not exactly the same as not taking part in an afterlife but it could be your way of rejecting the notion of a form of sex you don't want to take part in.

    Perhaps the spiritual equivalent of cutting off your nose to spite your face though.... ;):D
     
  29. RobertaGrimes

    RobertaGrimes Administrator

    It's up to you what you might prefer, Jack, but I have to concur with Mac here. Reality is reality, and others before you have found the afterlife alternative to be actually a great deal better!
     
  30. Nirvana

    Nirvana Member

    "...we need to understand that suffering and pain have no value in enlightened Galactic society liberated from the influence of Dark Forces and other aspects of cosmic anomaly. To value pain, suffering and sacrifice as a part of the growth experience was a part of the programming from the Dark Forces in order to enslave the population of the occupied planets more easily."

    http://2012portal.blogspot.com/2012/04/galactic-codex-normal-0.html
     

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