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Is hell real?

Discussion in 'Off-Topic Discussions' started by Storybud68, Nov 10, 2017.

  1. Storybud68

    Storybud68 Member

    After watching some videos on you tube of people who clinically died for a certain amount of time on there experiences ,some of them describe going to hell,a place of so much pain and torture we couldnt even begin to imagine,thses people getting interviewd seemed very genuine,they all described tbe same thing.The other thing was they didnt seem particularly bad people.I have to say this did scare me.I would really welcome your views?please excuse my spelling
     
  2. Bill Z

    Bill Z Active Member

    This is just my opinion based upon my experiences and my communication with my partner who transitioned in June and a lot of research. What I believe is that there is no judgment from an outside source only from our higher self. Sounds like cheney and hitler and most currently in power would get off the hook right but, again this is my personal belief, once we transition we move into a greater awareness in a place where only love exists. Imaging the torture within a suddenly aware soul who witnesses the crimes that soul has committed against innocents. Self judgement is much more painful that the judgement of any outside source I believe. I don't know if that makes any sense but again it's my personal belief.
     
  3. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    Spiritually advanced teachers and guides are the most authoritative sources in my view. bill has expressed his personal views which are pretty much in line with what's been taught for decades and more.

    Try reading up on some of the published material and stay away from the online nonsense on YouTube. If you allow your mind to be filled with junk you find online you have only yourself to blame. Remember there was a time not so very long ago when the World Wide Web didn't exist and ordinary folk read books by authors who weren't the narcissists so often seen online. :D
     
  4. Storybud68

    Storybud68 Member

    thank you
     
  5. Storybud68

    Storybud68 Member

    Thank you bill and mac ,i think its good advice to stay away from u tube.im still learning all the time.
     
  6. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    Try using the 'search' button at the top of forum pages for references to 'Hell' to see what's been asked about, said and debated in the past.
     
  7. Storybud68

    Storybud68 Member

    Thank you mac.i think a lot of what sparrow says actually makes sense in some way.i wander if he really is a spirit guide,i guess we will never know.
     
  8. RobertaGrimes

    RobertaGrimes Administrator

    There is (a) no judgment by anyone but ourselves; (b) no powerful negative entity, so therefore no Satan; and also (c) no fiery hell. Some NDE-ers do end up in a real-seeming but imaginary hell BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT THEY THINK THEY DESERVE. Generally they call for help, and they are at once out of that illusion. Jesus talks about an "outer darkness" that is cold, smelly, and awful, but not fiery. That indeed does exist, but if we make any spiritual progress at all it is very easy to avoid it; and it certainly is neither the result of judgment by anyone but ourselves nor forever. Stop scaring yourself with nonsense, Storybud! There is no point to it.
     
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  9. bluebird

    bluebird Well-Known Member

    I don't know if there is an afterlife or not, but if there is I am of the opinion that there is no "hell". In my opinion, the people who had NDEs like that were likely just experiencing the stress of their illness or injury, which translated into that mental/emotional experience. I've read about many NDEs, and the overwhelming majority of them do not involve hell-like experiences; in those few instances which did, the people involved were generally fundamentalists (often fundamentalist Christians, sometimes fundamentalists of other faiths), and for those people the hellish NDEs likely came about due to their fear-based religions (in my opinion).

    Ultimately, the upshot is this -- I don't think there is a hell. Whether there is or not, all we can really do is to live our lives as best as we can -- treat others as you wish to be treated, love others, do as much good and as little harm as possible (through both action and inaction). I think that is the point of life.
     
  10. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    Use what I term 'The Silver Birch' test. If it appeals to your reasoning, if it makes sense, then listen to what's being said. If it doesn't then pigeon-hole it until it does.
     
  11. Storybud68

    Storybud68 Member

    Bluebird ,roberta ,and mac,one thing that really strikes is,the time and effort you put into your replys ,its incredibely touching just reading them,i dont personally know any of you ,but i know by the way you write how genuine and lovely people you must be,im a very emotianal and deep person,if i met any of you guys all i would like to do is give yous a big hug.thank you so much .David
     
  12. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    It's heartening that you are so appreciative of our little efforts, David, and thanks like yours make the effort worthwhile. :)

    We each bring a personal, individual approach to the subjects we discuss on ALF and sometimes we may differ greatly in our thoughts - variety is the spice of life it's said. I think I'd be right in saying that none of us expect others simply to accept what we say without questioning but somewhere in our ideas may be one or more that appeal to you or get you thinking in a direction you may not have done before.

    We do what we can. ;)
     
  13. RobertaGrimes

    RobertaGrimes Administrator

    And we are happy to hug you right back, David!
     
  14. bluebird

    bluebird Well-Known Member

    That is very sweet of you to say, and you are very welcome! ;)
     
  15. kim marine

    kim marine Active Member

    I had an NDE in 1983. I was unconscious for 13 days and during that time I experienced life in different dimensions of God's breath. When I was released from the hospital I didn't know how to understand what was happening to me at first, because I always experienced LOTS of deja vu. When it kept occurring in my life I noticed that I knew about a few of the events in my life before they actually took place. That is when I had to investigate into what was going on in my life. I wrote to Craig Hogan on this site and he mentioned different planes of existence and said that I had viewed my previous lives. During the NDE and, the experience of the different dimensions, I asked what in the world He(God) was doing to me? God told me that He wasn't doing anything to me, but that I was doing it to myself because I wouldn't wake up and become conscious. God said we are our own judge. I feel the different dimensions that I experienced in God's breath are the "rooms" that were prepared for us in Heaven.
     
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  16. RobertaGrimes

    RobertaGrimes Administrator

    This is lovely, Kim!
     
  17. kim marine

    kim marine Active Member

    The lives I saw or experienced living in other dimensions that I mentioned in post #15 were so much more immature than who I am now. I remember speaking to the Highest Power and expressing my concern for his or her ignorance during the life in which I viewed. When I spoke like that I heard something like a little childish giggle. I heard in my mind words saying, "she still doesn't understand" or "she doesn't realize that she is watching herself". During the time I was unconscious I was in no pain, but I was bored and miserable although there were times of happiness. I can look back at all of that now and I am thankful I was hit by a car while riding a bicycle because if it didn't happen I would have been looking in the wrong place for the wrong things.
     
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  18. Ed A.

    Ed A. Member


    I've seen a few reports of NDErs who went into a dark, scary place. For a while. Some of them changed their lives dramatically, afterwards. I think Howard Storm is one example.

    So I think, yeah, some people do go to a self-created/imposed "hell," not the traditional Hell with Satan. But it's self-created, by that person's outlook.

    It's hard not to think of it in terms of levels. Some people are just at really low levels -- completely self-focused, oriented toward "worldly" values (wealth, pleasure, power, pride), hurtful/violent/abusive to others.

    I think they do reap what they sow. There's a kind of justice in it that I like. It's like with the life review. You get back what you put out.

    But as Roberta said, they can get out at any time by calling for help.
     
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  19. kim marine

    kim marine Active Member

    Roberta, I don't think I understand this forum. I had an NDE experience, and I try to post what I think and feel about my experience, but Mac is very negative and seems to run my thoughts down. Maybe I just don't know how to respond properly, because I do admit I am not socially or conversationally up to par for my age (53) due to the head trauma that I incurred to stipulate the NDE I experienced. Please help me! No one can relate with what I experienced and I thought this forum would, but so far it hasn't.
     
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  20. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    This lady doth protest too much, methinks!

    I have posted four replies in this thread, each time in response to another member's own postings (storybud David) in connection with the topic of the thread he started, namely "Is Hell Real". I have not made any remark about kim marine's near death experience.

    It's unfortunate for kim that she's unable to express herself as well as she'd wish but that's not a reason for complaining.
     
  21. RobertaGrimes

    RobertaGrimes Administrator

    Kim, I'm sorry that you're uncomfortable, but this website really is not designed to be a place for people to talk about themselves and their experiences, except to the extent that they are looking for help from others here. Its purpose is afterlife education! If you have questions and want reactions to what happened to you, why don't you begin your own thread and there ask for people's comments?
     
  22. kim marine

    kim marine Active Member

    Thank-you! That is what I was looking for-help from others and encouragement. Jim Rich replied to a thread I started earlier today. I do need support because sometimes my life goes so good, but then I things go down hill.
     
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  23. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    Further to what Roberta has suggested, here's a long-running 'personal' thread created by one of our members quite some time ago: http://afterlifeforums.com/threads/bruceadamas-thread.1132/

    But even when starting 'your own' there's no certainty that members will stick to discussing what you'd like them to; that's the nature of free speech.
     
  24. kim marine

    kim marine Active Member

    Mac I can't find the post because I deleted without reading it on the alerts. I saw it in my email and deleted it as well. But you asked me what I meant when I said you respond to me as though I was a space-cadet. A space-cadet is someone who is way-out there in la-la land. I am glad you gave me Bruce Adama's thread. That is what I need, because I don't need evidence for the afterlife I just need strength and encouragement to keep going in this current life.
     
  25. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    I have indicated earlier that it's not nice to use emboldened text. Just as upper case letters are seen as SHOUTING when you use bold text it gives the impression you're deliberately presenting yourself forcefully. It's unnecessary and I find it impolite.

    What you do with website notifications is up to you but it seems pointless to delete stuff you might later want to refer to.

    I very much doubt that I did what you claim but without knowing what posting you believe I replied to you as a 'space cadet' I'm unable to check. Let me know which it is and I'll take a look.

    I didn't intend that you should post your own story in BruceAdama's thread. My suggestion was a follow-up to what Roberta suggested earlier namely that you should start a thread for yourself, about yourself, about the story you're needing to tell. Then invite other members interested in your story to respond.

    Again as Roberta mentioned earlier, this website isn't intended as a place just to tell your story or get support other than in the context of discussing and learning more about the life that follows our present one. It's obvious to me you're very conflicted and inconsistent. You told me earlier that the life you're leading life is ideal yet you then go on at length about its difficulties, specifically mentioning here (quote) "...I just need need strength and encouragement to keep going in this current life." (end quote)

    It's your call, of course, but public forums are not intended as places to provide individual, personalised support. They can, however, help by bringing together those wanting to share similar personal experiences and difficulties.
     
  26. kim marine

    kim marine Active Member

    Sorry Mac, I didn't realize that, but I have double vision. It just makes it easier to proof.
     
  27. jimrich

    jimrich Active Member

    I have found a lot of strength and hope in various psychological systems which promote: Self Esteem, Self Respect, Self love, Self understanding, Self help and also in some spiritual/religious systems which promote and teach things that psychology may not touch upon such as: the afterlife, oneness, wholeness, reincarnation, enlightenment, awakening, soul-advancing and a lot of other self-improving and self-accepting skills, techniques and teachings to pull ME out of depression, fear and self contempt to live as happy and healthy a life as possible. I will leave it up to you to look for and find whatever self-help or strength and encouragement is available to you. IMO, there is a huge array of self-help/enlightenment/salvation systems available to every living being so......to each their own. Sending best wishes and happy thanks giving.....jim
     
  28. Ed A.

    Ed A. Member

    Kim, if you could produce the post you're complaining about, maybe it would make more sense. But as it is, I'm completely confused as to what you're upset about. What exactly did mac say that so offended you?

    p.s. If the conversation has already moved past this, nm, just ignore this.
     
  29. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    Then please carry on using bold text. Vision is a highly important matter and I will sometimes change text color to try to improve contrast hence legibility on websites where text is indistinct.
     
  30. kim marine

    kim marine Active Member

    The other day something happened. I saw things with a new state of mind, and I don't feel a need to start my own thread.
     

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