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Discussion in 'Spiritual Growth & Development' started by mac, Dec 17, 2017.

  1. mac

    mac ALF member Staff Member

    Kinda reinforces what I'd hinted at, wouldn't you agree?




    That's a commonly-reported feeling concerning NDEs



    My guess is that your reluctance to return was stronger than your expressed agreement to return....

    My God, kim, have I made a little progress in reaching out? And you're speaking about guides now! wow!
     
  2. kim marine

    kim marine Active Member

    Yes!!! Thanks, Mac. It just toke time. I need patience. My guides reveal things to me in my sleep and last night they must have suggested I listen to Mac!:);)
     
  3. kim marine

    kim marine Active Member

    Gee Mac these messages we are exchanging today coincide with the scenery of the places I have been driving around lately in my home town, and the place I am going out to lunch today. All the vibes make harmony! Do you understand what I am saying?
     
  4. mac

    mac ALF member Staff Member

    And perhaps my helpers did something similar with me, telling me not to drop into curmudgeon-mode too often (just sometimes to make a point!) and to be as patient as I'm often told I am. (unlikely though that may sound :p)
     
  5. mac

    mac ALF member Staff Member

    Yes I do. Images are your favored means of expression and today scenery and places are lining up and complementing one another, perhaps reflecting what's happening to you, kim. :) I do hope so....
     
  6. mac

    mac ALF member Staff Member

    I totally believe what you say. I'm not convinced, though, that all these things have necessarily had positive outcomes. But you didn't get to choose. Maybe when someone is badly injured and apparently close to death the protective mechanisms that keep regular folk from glimpsing what's in their future, or in their past, somehow briefly get impaired.

    Perhaps that's why (just) some of us - including OOBers and NDErs - get to take a look back to who they used to be and a look forward to what may happen in this world?
     
  7. kim marine

    kim marine Active Member

    I agree Mac. When I was born 9/16/64, I had a disorder called pyloric stenosis. Just in case you don't know what that is it is when a baby is born and the duodenum is dysfunctional and causes projectile vomiting and malnutrition and you can guess what is next. I was operated on when I was around 1 month and 3 days old. I may have had something like an NDE then, which of coarse I don't remember.

    I was in a hurry when I wrote the above quote. It sounds as though I actually saw real airplanes flying towards the Towers, but where I saw them was in my mind. That picture just popped in their. I saw it about 2,3 maybe 4 times whenever we went to NYC. Whenever I saw it I said to my husband who sat beside me on the bus, " I always see airplanes flying towards the Trade Center. I don't know why, but I don't like it." Then when it actually happened it took a little while before I even recalled seeing that picture in my mind a few years earlier.
     
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  8. kim marine

    kim marine Active Member

    You mean other people have other ways they connect with? Will you please give me other types connecters?
     
  9. kim marine

    kim marine Active Member

    What do you mean?
     
  10. mac

    mac ALF member Staff Member

    Oh I know exactly what it is, kim.....

    When our daughter arrived she leaked like a sieve after being fed and given water. She couldn't keep in the milk she was given - breast and later formula - and cried, and cried, and cried..... We were at our wits' end because she was perpetually leaking and perpetually hungry as a consequence. And forever crying!

    I kept hearing in my head 'pyloric stenosis' (which later we researched and realised was nothing like her symptom) but as we were just 'into' this spiritual stuff I didn't want to miss something a spirit helper migh have been communicating to me. The doctors checked everything out but she was fine and we struggled on for months until she weaned on to solids and hallelujah - our baby became a contented baby as she wasn't forever hungry.


    The 9/11 attrocity has more meaning to this Brit than perhaps it has for others. We took a New York city vacation 2001 at Easter, did all the sightseeing stuff that even American tourists do and went uo on the observation deck of the towers. Late afternoon looking over new York as the sun began to set and the city lights started to come on. Fast forward to September and I was cooking supper and watching TV wondering why a movie was on at that time of day - except it was no movie. The horror was overwhelming so I can understand how you might feel, particularly so as you'd foreseen those events. I can't say I envy anyone's attribute of seeing into a potential future.
     
  11. mac

    mac ALF member Staff Member

    We ordinary folk - people like me - don't get to see what you did. I've always thought that was down to some mechanism to keep us experiencing events in comparative isolation, out of an overall context. But that's just my view and it could be wholly inaccurate.

    Yet something appears to prevent most of us knowing about any previous lives or looking forward towards a potential future.
     
  12. kim marine

    kim marine Active Member

    I never saw the planes actually crashing just flying towards the Towers. I don't see anything specific in the future anymore, but I do have a dream in my mind that will manifest on its own when the time is right.
     
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  13. mac

    mac ALF member Staff Member

    All I was meaning is that some individuals learn best, perhaps communicate best, with graphical input/output - pictures rather than words. In school I worked with kids who looked dumb when they tried to write, spell or speak but give 'em a sheet of paper and pencil crayons and they could draw what they were wanting to say and then talk about it. Teachers were later expected to deliver teaching in ways that suited those kids and not simply present text or speak about a subject. I'm guessing that's how it still is.
     
  14. mac

    mac ALF member Staff Member

    I hope this leaves you feeling more comfortable than sometimes you appear. :)
     
  15. kim marine

    kim marine Active Member

    Yes it sure does. Another thing I was faced with before I awoke from the coma was my impending widowhood. I wasn't married until 6 years after the accident, so of coarse, I had forgotten all about it.

    There was no other for me but who I married. I saw this during the NDE and I also saw that he would die. I asked my guides why I would want to go down and live a life in which I would lose my husband and raise a son (who was 9 when his father left the earth.) I told my guides that I like to be taken care of and asked who would do this after my husband died? They said they would be delighted to care for me, but only if I let them. I have not remarried. I don't plan to either.

    I feel a lot more comfortable today about a lot of things.
     
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  16. mac

    mac ALF member Staff Member

    It's nice to hear that. :)
     
  17. kim marine

    kim marine Active Member

    Preference
     
  18. kim marine

    kim marine Active Member

    That is something I recall my guides using as a persuasive angle to get me to wake up when I was in the coma. I thought it was just one big trick. I thought I was going to wake up and be in paradise, but whenever I was left to wake up everything got dark. I kept refusing to wake up, but I guess I did.
     
  19. mac

    mac ALF member Staff Member

    Who knows what else they might have tried? These issues are - I'd guess - outside the experience of regular forum contributors. Perhaps what's different, kim, is that although others may have been in a similar state, you've maintained a recall of what happened to you.

    It sounds a pretty traumatic situation to have found yourself in and to have had little discernible support over the past 30 odd years.
     
  20. kim marine

    kim marine Active Member

    Yes, it was rough at times. I sure am glad I began the ALF forum.
     

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