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If there is an afterlife, how would you prefer it to be?

Discussion in 'General Afterlife Discussions' started by bluebird, Mar 26, 2018.

  1. Maria

    Maria New Member

    Ravensgate, the last sentence of your post reminded me of that afterlife film Defending Your Life, where in Judgement City Julia (Meryl Streep), is overjoyed that she can eat as much pasta as she wants without worrying about gaining weight. I think the soul will never truly know perfection, completion, or satisfaction until it has ascended to the higher realms of Heaven and is at one with the Creator. The afterlife destination for the average soul is what they call Summerland, which is described as a place of great beauty, tranquillity, and love. I will remember why I left there when I return, and certainly will not be in a hurry to reincarnate. I also think the premise of “eternity” is just too much for the mortal mind to take on, and I do not anticipate it to “boring”, as the afterlife promises to offer endless halls of learning as well as opportunities to fulfil your greatest dreams (for me this would be evolving my ability for painting and drawing). Many will want to work in research centres or perhaps help rescue lost souls. Furthermore, as well as being reunited with our loved ones we will meet all those of our kindred soul group and numerous others. We will also encounter beings of another kind like elementals such as nature spirits, and those from different planets across the universe. Yes, I am looking forward to plenty of activity, adventure, and exploration.
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  2. ravensgate

    ravensgate Regular Contributor

    Agreed, Maria. You mentioned the afterlife "promises to offer endless halls of learning as well as opportunities to fulfill your greatest dreams", and that may be the case, but what if in order to explore other realms/planets it'll be necessary to leave some (or all) of our soul group?

    As of today, I wouldn't want to grow and explore without my present spouse, but what if that will be necessary? In all honesty, I sometimes think that when we say, "I will never agree to leave the afterlife" (most often because of the tribulations that are part of this incarnation) we say so from this earthly perspective, but once we return to the spirit world, our views and understandings might change; we will see and better understand the greater reality. We will leave our soul mates, knowing that we'll eventually be reunited with them. We can't seem to accept that at this time and feel sure we'd never agree to it, but who knows, really? Personally, I have a problem accepting what some say, that whatever happens to us in this lifetime, including the loss of our soul-mate, or children, we agreed to, but then - what do I know? :confused:
    Oh my, pizza, fresh from the oven bread.... Absolutely verboten while I'm on this ketogenic diet, but I'm getting so hungry for all these forbidden foods, lol!
  3. genewardsmith

    genewardsmith Active Member

    ACIM takes the position of progression, but the end result is eternity, not something in time at all.

    Lewis Carroll made an argument like this, which is amusing to a mathematician like myself. He wondered, after enough time had passed and we had sufficiently amused ourselves with the study of curves of the third degree, we could move on to the fourth, and so forth. He felt this would grow tiresome after a few added degrees. I suspect that many not mathematically inclined would feel it starts out as tiresome. Of course, from my 21st century perspective, I'm inclined to tell him that degree is the wrong invariant anyway, and he should have looked at genus instead.
  4. frith

    frith Active Member

    My ideal afterlife would be however I would want it to be at any given moment and a grand explanation for the BS life that I and others had to endure beforehand. This afterlife I want would also be able to influence this living life and I would like to communicate to the living and dispel all the mystery and problems that face those that are still bodied. I really don't want anyone else to go through what I've been and billions+ of others, or at least give them the explanations we currently lack to allow them to better endure it.
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  5. dingodile

    dingodile New Member

    It's been a while since I looked atACIM, but this sounds like what I remember. We could raise the question of whether our personal identity can be preserved outside of time. If not, then ACIM's version of afterlife involves loss of identity, which in my view wouldn't really count as afterlife at all. If, as seems reasonable, any conceivable afterlife consists of the continued existence of a particular person after the biological end of this life, then we have to consider the limits of what it is to be a particular person. For example, some ways of thinking use the metaphor of the drop of water joining the ocean, at which point its boundaries disappear and, even though the water of the droplet still exists, the drop itself no longer does. I wouldn't consider that an afterlife, personally.

    Williams based his argument on a fictional case, a play by Karel Čapek called "The Makropoulos Case". In it, the character Elina Makropoulos is given an elixir that causes her to stop again from the time she begins taking it, which happens to be age 42. After 300 years, at the ripe age of 342, she has had enough and chooses not to take the elixir anymore and to age normally and die.

    Well, it's fiction, of course, and the circumstances are not generalizable. The story describes body-bound immortality, in which Elina Makropoulos alone is immortal; so she survives all her loved ones, forms new relationships, only to lose them, and so on. It's a theme also found in some of the contemporary vampire literature. So we might well agree that while Elina Makropoulos's life becomes a torment, it doesn't follow that any conceivable afterlife would be a torment. Williams's argument is, in my view, weak, and rests upon a too static conception of human personality. At best, his argument can be used as a kind of device to think about what kind of afterlife would be worth hoping for.
  6. DenverGuy

    DenverGuy Active Member

    Bluebird, great post! That's exactly how I feel! Thank you.

    As far as 'The Tedium of Immortality," I bet that applies only to people who are here in the physical world. I am reading a book by Dr. Andrew Weil and he mentions the same thing. It would be a nightmare for many reasons.

    They say that time and everything else is different in the afterlife.

    Here is a quick Swedenborg clip that you might like:
    Last edited: Mar 27, 2018
  7. SashaS

    SashaS Active Member

    From my view as an incarnate I prefer to spend my afterlife together with my wonderful family, my husband and with our children. I want to continue to live those beautiful days we've spent times ago. I want to see happy again my husband with no sickness! And I wish there that cancer would get cancer and die forever! I can't bear that ache of loosing my love again. I can't see my children crying and shedding tears for their dad.

    Oh, I wish there's no more suffering!
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  8. Monika

    Monika Established Member

    Oh i also hope there we will have a possibility to have a baby. We wanted childs so much :(
    If not so at least maybe we could take care of other little babies, take care until their parents come.
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  9. bluebird

    bluebird Major Contributor


    In this thread, you are entitled to have the afterlife be however you wish it to be. :) If that means that you want to continue learning and growing, travelling, meeting different people, whatever you want, that's fine. I want to both learn and teach in the afterlife, eventually, as well as spend time with other loved ones (whether I know the here in this life or not), but not until my love and I have spent a good long time just the two of us together.

    You make a fair point that what we may think we want in our ideal afterlife, while we think about it here and now, may not be what we end up wanting once we get there, or after having been there for a long while. There's no way to know, though, what we might want later, so for the purpose of this thread I'm just asking what members right now want their afterlife to be like.

    I like the idea of being able to eat whatever you want without gaining weight, lol! :D
  10. bluebird

    bluebird Major Contributor

    Thanks for posting that video, DenverGuy. I very much hope that our relationships in the afterlife are as described in that video. If there is an afterlife and if we have a choice, I know that I will be with my husband. The strange thing is, to me, that the guy who narrates that video and other Swedenborg videos looks rather like my husband....o_O Not exactly like him, particularly as they don't share eye color, but similar enough to be striking to me.

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