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If there is an afterlife, how would you prefer it to be?

Discussion in 'General Afterlife Discussions' started by bluebird, Mar 26, 2018.

  1. bluebird

    bluebird Well-Known Member

    If you've read any of my previous posts, it should be pretty clear that I am agnostic regarding the possible existence of an afterlife. The purpose of this thread, however, is not to discuss or debate whether or not an afterlife exists -- I am, instead, interested in hearing (well, reading) what you would like the afterlife to be like, if it does exist. If there is an afterlife, I don't know if we get to choose what our afterlife is like or not, but for the sake of discussion lets hear what/how you would like it to be.

    For example, when I die I would like to immediately be welcomed by my beloved husband, to bond with him more/again, to know that he is still himself and that we are still who we are (soulmates, lovers, spouses, friends), to feel his love and for us to be enveloped in the love we have for each other. Then I want us to go and "live" in a Victorian house (the kind we wanted here on earth), where we will live with our cats, where we will make love, read books, write poetry, play music, cook dinner, cuddle in bed, etc. We will also take walks on the beach, visit friends and family, take classes, etc. Essentially all the things we did here, plus things we would have done if we had had sufficient time and money. A sort of relaxed version of life here, without pain or worry or fear. Ideally, we would do this for all eternity. I'm sure we would also want to help others, perhaps the newly arrived, and maybe teach others how to do the things we are good at (music for him, poetry for me), and would gradually integrate those things into our existence.

    So -- what would your ideal afterlife be like?
     
  2. Monika

    Monika Member

    That is truly beautiful Bluebird! I wish from all my heart that this comes true for you, me and all other! Michel will be first who will great me and i even imagine what he will say. I really hope that when i will go to him i will remember all this pain i have here. So this will let me to enjoy fully us being together again and actually being able to touch each other. How magical this first hug and kiss will be! I really dont want harsh memories to be taken away. It is not easy for me to say how i would like afterlife to look and be but from all what Michel says i can say it satisfy me completely. We will live in green, 2 stories house with no electricity but light. Well about color of house we will have a discussion i guess...it is not what i really like and definitely not what he wished for our house here. But maybe we can change it :) Ill skip the big part about how it looks inside house because it would become very long post. Around house there is a field with wild flowers (this was a surprise for me that there is no tree close to the house but whatever, i dont care if only im with him). Behind house there is a river. You can hear it flow. Several neighbour houses. I know there are mountains and forests. I know what he is doing there but i dont know what i would like to do. It is difficult to think because all i wish for now is to hug and feel and never let go. Never ever ever. Ever. But if i would have and need to choose what shall i do there i would love to do something same what i do here. It could be connected with architecture or arts in general. Oh and i hope we will go fishing. I miss fishing so much. I ask often Michel to plan our fishing trip for when i come. And i terribly miss our road trips...big part from our time together we spend on the road. I miss to drive long long ways, lots of our conversations. How many dreams became to plans during those trips! I really really wish someday we'll go for a road trip with lots of cocoa and cigars :)
     
  3. Maria

    Maria Member

    Since Peter’s death, I have been writing messages to him on a website named After Talk. (It is like keeping a journal where you can tell your loved one about the day’s events and express all the pain you are feeling at that particular moment). I often remind Peter about a pact I would like to make that when my time arrives to transition, that he will “collect me” from my deathbed and escort me to the spirit world. We will have so much to talk about then, and I will have so many questions about what he has been doing since were separated. I hope he will show me the majestic home where we will live together. It will be the house of my dreams, elegant, and tasteful. He loved gardening while on Earth, so he will proudly show me his new garden full of perfumed flowers in colours only seen in the afterlife, full of birdsong and butterflies, and the sound of a musical cascading fountain. After this, we will go on a tour of the afterlife where he will show me wondrous sights that will make me cry with happiness. We will be together again and share a love more wonderful and unconditional than we could have ever known in our mortal lives. We will kiss and hug each other tightly, knowing we are together for eternity with health, youth, and lost joy recaptured. I hope that each day that passes will be a step closer to being reunited with Peter, and if there is an afterlife, then all the Hellish loneliness and grief I have suffered, will be a nightmare soon forgotten. Bluebird, and Monika, I also hope that we all will meet up in the afterlife and report how the dreams we yearned for in this post have come true.
     
  4. Bill Z

    Bill Z Active Member

    Bluebird and Monika thank you. Beautiful posts to read first thing in the morning with my coffee and tears for my beloved.
    I can only speak from personal experience: messages from mediums, freams, dowsing and feathers and other signs from the love of my life.
    This is what I've learned: She will meet me, but She won't be first, my mother will be. She is 35, 14 years before we met, in Her prime and healthy. My favorite pictures of Her are from that time, although even as She was transitioning and only 58 pounds She was still magnificently beautiful to me.
    We will do pretty much everything Bluebird mentioned and enjoy the life we had when She was healthy and help others.
     
  5. Monika

    Monika Member

    Thats such a lovely idea! Whooop i hope it will be true. Would love to meet you all fullfilled with happiness of reunion with loved ones!
     
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  6. Monika

    Monika Member

    I also think that Bluebird put all the words together so nicely. Bluebird, you have a talent to express and i love to read your posts. Bill Z, and others, i hope time here will fly for us as fast as possible till the day we will open our eyes and see smiles of our loved ones. Puss puss
     
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  7. dingodile

    dingodile Member

    What a wonderful question! I think all of us want to be reunited with loved ones, and to do the things we didn't get to do in this life. In addition to those things, I would hope for new challenges and goals to accomplish. I went through a period of interest in the Urantia Book, which describes, or purports to describe, the afterlife in great detail. It describes an evolutionary process in the course of which we are recruited for progressively higher missions. I like that idea. Something similar comes through in much of the mediumistic literature, especially that of Chico Xavier, but also Helen Greaves and others. I think it's important to have some kind of work to do.

    In the 1970s, a British philosopher named Bernard Williams wrote an essay entitled "The Tedium of Immortality" in which he argued that no sane person should wish for eternal life, because it would eventually become a torment. Since the publication of that essay, many have argued against his position, but he has had a fair number of defenders too. Personally, I think he was wrong.
     
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  8. bluebird

    bluebird Well-Known Member

    Thank you so much, everyone who has answered so far. I very much like to read what each of you want your afterlife with your beloved(s) to be like, and I appreciate you being willing to share them here. {{{{hugs}}}}
     
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  9. bluebird

    bluebird Well-Known Member

    Thank you, Monika. :)
     
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  10. ravensgate

    ravensgate Active Member

    Well, of course I'd like my afterlife to be with those I love, including every single one of the pets we shared our lives with and yes, that includes the birds, lol

    However, sorry for sounding like a stick in the mud, bluebird, but I have some difficulty with this because something in the back of my old mind interferes with my idea of "bliss". Let me see if I can make this as clear as mud, lol... "something" tells me that eternal life with my loved ones would, at some point, require something else.

    I happen to think that even if it would all be "perfect", I would eventually want to experience something else, I would want to keep learning and growing. Not sure I'd be able to do so within my limited circle.
    Also, what about the other entities in my soul group that I may have forgotten (for now, while on this planet) but that, once I return to the spirit world, would not want to be separated from, ever again?
    Take for example the figure of the monk that you and I discussed on numerous occasions. I remember dreaming (if it was a dream!) that I was being greeted by a group of people, and the principal figure in that group was the monk. Upon waking I thought of the group as my "Soul group". The monk gave me a big hug, welcoming home, and I simply cannot put into words the unbelievable love I felt. I wanted to stay there, never leave and return to this life, though I knew who I'd be leaving behind (my spouse and children).
    So, I wonder, how can we be sure that what we think of as our ideal afterlife today is really what we want? I feel that while in this incarnation our perspective is so limited, and though I can speak only for myself, it seems to me that I look at it not only in a limited way but also in a selfish way.
    Eternity is an awfully long time; how much "living" and exploring, and creating realities can we do when in the company of the relatively few souls who chose to incarnate with us this time around? I wonder :-/
    However, for now, I see my ideal afterlife this way: with my loved ones (current spouse, children, past pets), living by the ocean, experiencing the starry night skies, living in a large Edwardian home with climbing roses and ivy, fountains, gardens filled with butterflies, birds, rabbits, ladybugs (the red ones, lol), secret paths flanked by arching trees, and last but not least, being able to eat every sinful food without gaining a bit of weight! :p:p
     
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  11. Maria

    Maria Member

    Ravensgate, the last sentence of your post reminded me of that afterlife film Defending Your Life, where in Judgement City Julia (Meryl Streep), is overjoyed that she can eat as much pasta as she wants without worrying about gaining weight. I think the soul will never truly know perfection, completion, or satisfaction until it has ascended to the higher realms of Heaven and is at one with the Creator. The afterlife destination for the average soul is what they call Summerland, which is described as a place of great beauty, tranquillity, and love. I will remember why I left there when I return, and certainly will not be in a hurry to reincarnate. I also think the premise of “eternity” is just too much for the mortal mind to take on, and I do not anticipate it to “boring”, as the afterlife promises to offer endless halls of learning as well as opportunities to fulfil your greatest dreams (for me this would be evolving my ability for painting and drawing). Many will want to work in research centres or perhaps help rescue lost souls. Furthermore, as well as being reunited with our loved ones we will meet all those of our kindred soul group and numerous others. We will also encounter beings of another kind like elementals such as nature spirits, and those from different planets across the universe. Yes, I am looking forward to plenty of activity, adventure, and exploration.
     
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  12. ravensgate

    ravensgate Active Member

    Agreed, Maria. You mentioned the afterlife "promises to offer endless halls of learning as well as opportunities to fulfill your greatest dreams", and that may be the case, but what if in order to explore other realms/planets it'll be necessary to leave some (or all) of our soul group?

    As of today, I wouldn't want to grow and explore without my present spouse, but what if that will be necessary? In all honesty, I sometimes think that when we say, "I will never agree to leave the afterlife" (most often because of the tribulations that are part of this incarnation) we say so from this earthly perspective, but once we return to the spirit world, our views and understandings might change; we will see and better understand the greater reality. We will leave our soul mates, knowing that we'll eventually be reunited with them. We can't seem to accept that at this time and feel sure we'd never agree to it, but who knows, really? Personally, I have a problem accepting what some say, that whatever happens to us in this lifetime, including the loss of our soul-mate, or children, we agreed to, but then - what do I know? :confused:
    Oh my, pizza, fresh from the oven bread.... Absolutely verboten while I'm on this ketogenic diet, but I'm getting so hungry for all these forbidden foods, lol!
     
  13. genewardsmith

    genewardsmith Active Member

    ACIM takes the position of progression, but the end result is eternity, not something in time at all.

    Lewis Carroll made an argument like this, which is amusing to a mathematician like myself. He wondered, after enough time had passed and we had sufficiently amused ourselves with the study of curves of the third degree, we could move on to the fourth, and so forth. He felt this would grow tiresome after a few added degrees. I suspect that many not mathematically inclined would feel it starts out as tiresome. Of course, from my 21st century perspective, I'm inclined to tell him that degree is the wrong invariant anyway, and he should have looked at genus instead.
     
  14. frith

    frith Member

    My ideal afterlife would be however I would want it to be at any given moment and a grand explanation for the BS life that I and others had to endure beforehand. This afterlife I want would also be able to influence this living life and I would like to communicate to the living and dispel all the mystery and problems that face those that are still bodied. I really don't want anyone else to go through what I've been and billions+ of others, or at least give them the explanations we currently lack to allow them to better endure it.
     
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  15. dingodile

    dingodile Member

    It's been a while since I looked atACIM, but this sounds like what I remember. We could raise the question of whether our personal identity can be preserved outside of time. If not, then ACIM's version of afterlife involves loss of identity, which in my view wouldn't really count as afterlife at all. If, as seems reasonable, any conceivable afterlife consists of the continued existence of a particular person after the biological end of this life, then we have to consider the limits of what it is to be a particular person. For example, some ways of thinking use the metaphor of the drop of water joining the ocean, at which point its boundaries disappear and, even though the water of the droplet still exists, the drop itself no longer does. I wouldn't consider that an afterlife, personally.

    Williams based his argument on a fictional case, a play by Karel Čapek called "The Makropoulos Case". In it, the character Elina Makropoulos is given an elixir that causes her to stop again from the time she begins taking it, which happens to be age 42. After 300 years, at the ripe age of 342, she has had enough and chooses not to take the elixir anymore and to age normally and die.

    Well, it's fiction, of course, and the circumstances are not generalizable. The story describes body-bound immortality, in which Elina Makropoulos alone is immortal; so she survives all her loved ones, forms new relationships, only to lose them, and so on. It's a theme also found in some of the contemporary vampire literature. So we might well agree that while Elina Makropoulos's life becomes a torment, it doesn't follow that any conceivable afterlife would be a torment. Williams's argument is, in my view, weak, and rests upon a too static conception of human personality. At best, his argument can be used as a kind of device to think about what kind of afterlife would be worth hoping for.
     
  16. DenverGuy

    DenverGuy Active Member

    Bluebird, great post! That's exactly how I feel! Thank you.

    As far as 'The Tedium of Immortality," I bet that applies only to people who are here in the physical world. I am reading a book by Dr. Andrew Weil and he mentions the same thing. It would be a nightmare for many reasons.

    They say that time and everything else is different in the afterlife.

    Here is a quick Swedenborg clip that you might like:
     
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  17. SashaS

    SashaS New Member

    From my view as an incarnate I prefer to spend my afterlife together with my wonderful family, my husband and with our children. I want to continue to live those beautiful days we've spent times ago. I want to see happy again my husband with no sickness! And I wish there that cancer would get cancer and die forever! I can't bear that ache of loosing my love again. I can't see my children crying and shedding tears for their dad.

    Oh, I wish there's no more suffering!
     
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  18. Monika

    Monika Member

    Oh i also hope there we will have a possibility to have a baby. We wanted childs so much :(
    If not so at least maybe we could take care of other little babies, take care until their parents come.
     
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  19. bluebird

    bluebird Well-Known Member

    raven,

    In this thread, you are entitled to have the afterlife be however you wish it to be. :) If that means that you want to continue learning and growing, travelling, meeting different people, whatever you want, that's fine. I want to both learn and teach in the afterlife, eventually, as well as spend time with other loved ones (whether I know the here in this life or not), but not until my love and I have spent a good long time just the two of us together.

    You make a fair point that what we may think we want in our ideal afterlife, while we think about it here and now, may not be what we end up wanting once we get there, or after having been there for a long while. There's no way to know, though, what we might want later, so for the purpose of this thread I'm just asking what members right now want their afterlife to be like.

    I like the idea of being able to eat whatever you want without gaining weight, lol! :D
     
  20. bluebird

    bluebird Well-Known Member

    Thanks for posting that video, DenverGuy. I very much hope that our relationships in the afterlife are as described in that video. If there is an afterlife and if we have a choice, I know that I will be with my husband. The strange thing is, to me, that the guy who narrates that video and other Swedenborg videos looks rather like my husband....o_O Not exactly like him, particularly as they don't share eye color, but similar enough to be striking to me.
     

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