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If people would be sure about afterlife would be more temptation to go there?

Discussion in 'General Afterlife Discussions' started by SashaS, Sep 15, 2018.

  1. SashaS

    SashaS Member

    I think life is an individual experience here in earth to live. IMO if people would know for sure based in scientific facts that there is an afterlife this life would be different. Easy to go!
    I think is better the way it is!
     
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  2. bluebird

    bluebird Well-Known Member

    I think it would depend on the person. For myself, if my husband were still alive then I would have no desire to leave this world. Since he has died, I absolutely do want to die, but that is the case for me whether there is an afterlife or not. If I had proof that there is an afterlife, the difference that would make to me is that I would feel slightly less pain because I would know that my husband still exists and that I will be with him again.
     
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  3. Kurt

    Kurt Active Member

    That is true. I also agree.

    I think this is more for the Spirituality advanced.

    The people who come here tend to have little else to accomplish on Earth. That's why they are so interested in the afterlife.

    Maybe.... This is like a bus stop on the way out. ....
     
  4. Kurt

    Kurt Active Member

    I've just had a very painful life.

    I've wanted to die since I was 4.

    Thanks to Roberta Grime's and Albert Camus...

    Among good friends and great people, I'm still here. But I am done with life.
     
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  5. SashaS

    SashaS Member

    Yes i feel the same way like you Bluebird. I would feel less pain but I would be more tempted to go and leave my experience of this life.

     
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  6. SashaS

    SashaS Member

    I understand Kurt! Within three months I lost my mother and my husband. We were so happy and now the life is totally changed for me and my kids. Is so painful for three of us. As much as I think even I'm not sceptical about afterlife if I would know for sure would be another situation. And so for other people.
    But we're here to make ourselves our experience!


     
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  7. bluebird

    bluebird Well-Known Member

    I want to die, regardless. If there is an afterlife, then I will be with my husband again, and eventually with our other loved ones. If there is nothing, at least I would not be in pain anymore, constantly sad and angry.
     
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  8. SashaS

    SashaS Member

    My husband was my life Bluebird! I don't like this life either! Regardless what happened and what happens in the future we have to live all our experience!
     
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  9. RobertaGrimes

    RobertaGrimes Administrator

    Oh dear Kurt, you are getting it together now and you are by no means done with life! In fact, your life has not yet really begun....
     
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  10. EminenceFront

    EminenceFront Member

    If you do not believe in post-mortem survival, then why is it not possible that dying would leave you in a much worse place than this?
     
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  11. Kurt

    Kurt Active Member

    If post mortem survival is non existent, then she would not aware.... Right?
     
  12. EminenceFront

    EminenceFront Member

    Repeat, please.
     
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  13. bluebird

    bluebird Well-Known Member

    I don't disbelieve in an afterlife, I am agnostic regarding it -- I don't know if it exists or not. If it does not, then I will cease to exist altogether, in every way -- physically, mentally, emotionally, spiritually. If it does exist, then I don't know what it is or will be like; I can only hope that I will be reunited with my husband there, and if there is an afterlife then I will do everything I possibly can to make that happen.

    While of course I would prefer there to be an afterlife in which I will be with my beloved again, either option (reuniting with him if there is an afterlife, or ceasing to be altogether if there is not) is, to me, preferable to this life without him.
     
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  14. Kurt

    Kurt Active Member

    Basically that if there is no afterlife it does not matter because she would be unaware, and thus in no pain.
     
  15. EminenceFront

    EminenceFront Member

    Thanks for that.
     
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  16. Kurt

    Kurt Active Member

    Yw.
     
  17. SarahJaina

    SarahJaina New Member

    I've been wondering about this too, and I've heard in the afterlife everyone is accepting and unified, no room for negativity, and the unfathomable events involving the human race and life on Earth don't even come close to interrupting the serenity of souls intertwined and harmonious up above.

    I was getting the impression that being alive is unfortunate, and the Spirit world is utopic, for lack of a better word. Also, that if you've reincarnated repeatedly, you get the worst of everything after you're reborn? I can honestly declare this lifetime an epic fail, though I've failed at nothing, it's all due to circumstance. I step outside myself to look around and try making sense of it all, and I'm befuddled, and oddly amused. My sense of humor has kept me among the living, when nothing else could. I want to know who made up YOLO, aka you only get one life? What are they talking about, I'm living, dying, living proof that they're wrong.

    But as a disclaimer, I don't want to oversell the afterlife to the wrong person, if they thought the spirit world was better, would they try to end their life to end up in their afterlife? Even with good intentions, it's the worst outcome they could give themselves. I notice a lot of threads on the topic of suicide on these forums, I haven't learned why? Is there a certain something about being a Reincarnate that makes people give up on life?
     
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  18. Myrna and Keith

    Myrna and Keith New Member

    Belief in the afterlife reduces the fear of death. We are all swimming in an ocean of the fear of death. You just have to watch the evening news for proof of that. The fear of death motivates our every materialistic impulse. Drink, eat, be merry, and for God's sake don't think about how futile materialism is. (Oh and don't forget to keep the life insurance premiums paid.) Belief in the afterlife promotes an ethical approach to solving life's problems because its focus is spiritual growth. Its focus is: We are more than we appear to be. We are spiritual beings having a material experience and we will return to being spirit at death. I was educated in the sciences and I could not understand why my fellow students did not see Mind in all we studied. Its everywhere, in everything. We are also part of that Mind. I use to love to watch the numbers dance and twirl as they magically balance an equation. Like BlueBird (who has helped me here in the Forums before) I too now wish for death because of the loss of my wife. I get envious when I hear of quick honorable deaths. However, I will not end this life before I am supposed to, because I believe I will still not necessarily be allowed to be with my wife. There are consequences for every action and I'm not willing to be without the person I love. Just my opinion of course. I have been wrong in this life as often as right.
     
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  19. Kurt

    Kurt Active Member

    I agree that all is peaceful above.

    I also think it is important not to sell it to the wrong person. Then you have a suicide on your hands and they will only reincarnate to an even tougher time
     
  20. Kurt

    Kurt Active Member

    I agree. I now see death as something to look forward to.

    I want to die. But I want to keep on pushing until my body fails. Not my mind, but my body. I'd estimate that just because of my lifestyle it will be before I'm 30... I am already making so much progress that In a few years I'll have so much done that I don't think there will be much left for me to do once I'm past my mid twenties.

    I say this because there have been times where I somehow survived things I should not have.... I feel like there's a reason for me to be here and that once I reach a certain Pinnacle I will die.

    I have a feeling I'll be around 29. That number just keeps coming to me for some reason....
     
  21. Myrna and Keith

    Myrna and Keith New Member

    I've been known to go in for some extreme risk taking behavior as well. I love my bicycles and get high on speed and risk. During my wife's illness (when I truly could not face her immanent death) the risks were accumulating exponentially. I was getting repeatedly physically hurt and very pissed at cars. Believe it or not my deceased brother saved my life. He knew I would never forgive myself for deserting my wife during her greatest need. He was playing with the electrical appliances in our home and Myrna recognized him and what he was trying to do. A month ago my 2K bike was stolen at the same time I developed a knee injury. That effectively put an end to the risk taking behavior. I believe my wife and brother were behind the theft. lol - I learning that my loved ones in the afterlife are always right. They have a bigger perspective than we do.
     
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  22. Kurt

    Kurt Active Member

    True. I feel like some of my adrenaline binges might have been thwarted by spirit guides as well ....
     
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  23. DistanceRunner

    DistanceRunner New Member



    There are layers to the afterlife realm just as there are layers to our earthly population. We have human beings vibrating at the rates between 40Khz and 200Khz. We have no-goods and great humanitarians.



    Lower vibrational spirits follow their lowered vibrational state. Love is conditional, a feeling of wanting to remain in the physical - or at least closely attached - is evident. Think nasty ghost or poltergeist. Barely over, and occasionally not when they manifest in physical reality, 300Khz.



    Then there are the higher vibrational spirits whose range of vibration exceeds 300Khz and ends at ???



    To sum: As Below, So Above :)





    For the sake of conversation, let's say reincarnation exists. That time is relative to all of Creation (it isn't but...)



    It will be your choice as to where, how, who and why you return to physical reality or non-physical reality. The idea is we are reincarnational beings, and that you have many lives...past...present...future, alternate reality lives, whatever you wish to call them, it doesn't matter. But the you that you are now, the person that you are now, this is the only time you have been this you, this is the only time that you will ever be this you, you will never be this you again, therefore, the you you are now does in fact only have one life to live, therefore, the fundamental...the foundational purpose of this life is to be this you as best as you can... that's the purpose of your life.



    How you go about it 'tis really up to you. How you determine that you are in alignment with your joy, with your truth...with your highest vibrational purpose is up to you to determine. You did not return to admonish, judge or penalize yourself.





    Western civilization, much of it borne from the concepts of Judaism and Roman Catholicism (and its sister Protestant churches), dogmatized YOLO. If you don't fear death, you don't give up your shekels and your intellect easily.





    Yes, it surely can be a part of the decision to suicide. For some. However, it is not only not your business what people do with the information that you feel the passion to express, their decisions, ultimately, have everything to do with their purpose in Life.



    I can quickly relate a personal story, a friend who had determined he was through here.



    "Lay down"

    What?

    Lay down! Close your eyes and die.

    He did and he didn't.

    "What was that all about?"

    If you were ready to go, you would be dead. You're not ready so here's the good news and here's the "bad".



    If you suicide, you will return to Spirit and soon find out, if you choose, you should return to fill out your remaining time. That's the bad, no matter what, you are going to fulfill the learning and experiences of physical reality that you chose.



    Here's the good.



    It's your choice. Return, go to Pluto lol, another dimension, a different density...it's your choice.
     
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  24. Brad

    Brad New Member



    Even though the afterlife, (The REAL world), is a place of infinite peace and love with no negativity, experiencing a life in the physical world is a great gift. It's a very effective way to excelerate our learning. Believe it or not, the pain and anguish you are experiencing was all pre-arranged by you before you were reincarnated as a means to an end and suicide is a cop-out that would be very disappointing to you and everybody else once you got back to the other side. Take comfort in knowing that your husbands are there waiting for you and are actually with you now, ALL the time. They are hearing everything you say and know everything you are feeling. They are now your cheer squad rooting for you to get through this. They want you to move on and be happy again, because, though the object is to increase our level of spiritual consciousness through our trials, we are not here to be sad. We are here to find the joy in life through knowing that we are never really seperated, and we never die, we just go home. Our lives here are what we chose them to be. The key to enjoying them is to be grateful for every moment.
     
  25. Kurt

    Kurt Active Member


    I'm an honest guy. I will be laughing at people in the lower levels. I already sleep well knowing these a holes get what's coming to them... Lol....
     
  26. bluebird

    bluebird Well-Known Member

    You seem well-intentioned, which I do appreciate, but please understand that for some people (including me), the death of our spouse/partner is truly the end of our life, in every way that matters.

    I do not share your belief that we choose or pre-plan everything that happens to us. Assuming, for the sake of argument, that there is an afterlife, and that we are also there before being born here, then maybe we do choose some life events, but I can tell you with absolute certainty that neither my husband nor I would ever have chosen for him to die when he did.

    I can see how belief in an afterlife would be comforting for many people, particularly once their loved ones, especially their spouse/partner, has died. However, since I do not have faith in an afterlife (I am agnostic regarding it), it is not something from which I can derive comfort.

    Life in this world is not always a gift. Sometimes it is, for some people, and that's as good as it gets. Other people live horrendous lives, many through no fault of their own. Speaking for myself, I don't give a damn anymore about learning anything or "increasing spiritual conciousness".

    There is no joy for me in this life anymore, and if my husband does exist in an afterlife then he knows that to be true. Of course he wants or would want me to be happy, but he also knows or would know that that is impossible for me. There is no "moving on" for me, there is only sadness. Whether it happens via illness, accident, or my own will, all I want now is to die. If there is an afterlife where I will be reunited with my love, of course that is what I want. But even if there is nothing, I would prefer non-existence to this farce of a life. I'm done.
     
  27. Brad

    Brad New Member

    Some books that might help you would be the life between lives series by Micheal Newton and "The Power of Now" by Eckhart Tolle.
     
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  28. Myrna and Keith

    Myrna and Keith New Member

    BlueBird - I am sorry you are going through this. You and Pandora97 helped me through a dark time recently and I understand that hopeless feeling. My wife did not want to go either. She did not want to leave me. We had created heaven of earth with our little life together and did not want it to end. I say little life because we were just into each other and had lost ambition for most human things. I am so glad she is not suffering anymore, but half of me is gone now and the world does not make any sense. I have lost interest in most things. I do not watch the news anymore, or go to movies, and food is bland. Family say I should do fun things or try to replace her. All I can think is they are crazy. Nothing is fun and I will never replace her. The people I interact with seem to be terrified of everything. So busy distracting themselves from the eventuality of their own (and their loved ones) ultimate end. I know that fear all to well. Both me and my wife employed those same distractions before she left. I felt that same fear everyday of my wife's illness. I don't fear the end anymore. The only thing that keeps me living now is that she punched her way through my thick head when I was grieving and giving up. She still cares for me daily. I had to learn to listen for her. I trust her and believe she still exists. The love link between us still exists. I can feel that. It did not disappear despite our separation. When a grief wave comes though I can't hear anything but my own rage or see anything but darkness. So I hope for you some light and peace.
     
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