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How do you know odd coincidences are actually signs from a spirit?

Discussion in 'After-Death Communication' started by Juniper, Oct 13, 2015.

  1. bluebird

    bluebird Well-Known Member

    I was satisfied by the reading, although yes it would have been good if she had said something that couldn't possibly have come from anyone other than my husband. I don't think the wait has any bearing on the situation, though -- either a medium is legit or s/he is not, whether the wait is 2 days or 2 years. The medium I saw is Janet Nohavec.

    I don't think it is unlikely that we all had wishful thinking at the same time, especially if pareidolia was involved (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareidolia). I hope that's not what it was, but there is no way to know. Thank you for wishing that I get more signs, but I see/hear things that might be signs quite often; I wish they were enough to convince me of my husband's continued existence, but they are not. I would rather it be otherwise, but I really don't think I will be convinced of the existence of an afterlife unless/until I am in it myself, or unless/until my husband actually comes to me and tells me it exists. I don't expect my grief to end until I am dead.
     
  2. janef

    janef Moderator

    Yes, I hear she is a good medium, can only deliver whatever she gets. Glad you were satisfied with the reading.
     
  3. bluebird

    bluebird Well-Known Member

    Thanks. I do believe that, at minimum, she believes in what she is doing; i.e., that she isn't out to scam anyone. I am not sure if there is an afterlife in which my husband still exists and that it is with him she communicated, but I don't discount the possibility, and I fervently hope that's what transpired.
     
  4. janef

    janef Moderator

    Oh wow.... Please share it.
     
  5. janef

    janef Moderator

    Then you were not convinced. I have heard it does make a difference if the sitter has a lot of anger or too much grief, it sometimes blocks the connection. Did she say anything about that?
     
  6. bluebird

    bluebird Well-Known Member

    She did not feel the connection was blocked at all. She felt that he absolutely was there, and was communicating with me through her. During the reading, i also felt that might be the case. The night before the reading, i did my best to communicate with my husband, clear my mind, try to be open, etc. If there is such a thing as an afterlife, then evidently that (combined with the medium's ability) worked. At the time of the reading, and for the rest of that day, i felt that probably it was real. After that day, i started to doubt, because that's just how it works with me.
     
  7. janef

    janef Moderator

    I understand what you mean, my reading with my dad wasn't terribly convincing, and even my mom I could say she could have guessed at stuff that she got right. But it did sound like her personality.

    The first reading I ever had ten years ago was the most convincing because I didn't tell her who I wanted to connect with, I didn't care, said anyone who wants to come thru, and she brought thru an old friend I hadn't seen in years, by name and said she had a message for me, it was very specific and something she couldn't possibly have guessed. This is when I became a true believer. Unfortunately they aren't always that validating. My husband also got 100% validation from his mom, who was atheist and promised to let us know if an afterlife existed. It was the most amazing reading of all, and only 1/2 hr for $45! Everything she said was validating with names, personal message. He was a total skeptic before that. Plus, the appt. was made earlier the same day, and not even told it was for a medium reading. (She does psychic readings too) ... she didn't know until the phone call when he asked if she could connect with his mom who died 3 weeks prior.

    So, I honestly don't get it... maybe its a question for Mikey... if they want to communicate, why don't they say something totally convincing? My MIL did because we set it up before she passed.
     
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  8. marmaladecat

    marmaladecat Member

    Perhaps the medium (who acts as a conduit) can only pick up on parts of communication at times, a little like a very crackly radio being unable to pick up the whole station due the tuning not always being spot on?

    I must admit most of the readings I have had in the past seemed a lot more psychic than medium based. Although there was accurate information that came through which related to certain events happening in the present/future, very little of it actually related to clear validating messages from family that had passed. I did have one medium, Gerrie March who gave my grandfather's name and this session did feel as though he was trying to come through. Other messages were too vague a description in terms of recognising possible passed family. I have booked a session with a medium (Spring 2016), so I will update in the future on any information given.
     
    Last edited: Oct 18, 2015
  9. janef

    janef Moderator

    Maybe that happens, I don't know. I think my husbands reading was the most spot on of all. He said it was if his mom was on the ph with the medium and she relayed everything she said. Her word usage was spot on. She said things in a particular way, and had a sense of humor. And she delivered the message she said she would, exactly what she told me days before she passed, making sure he knew it was coming from her, with a name leaving no doubt whatsoever. It changed his life, he was totally skeptic. He has had visit dreams with her too. She visited me too, and I wasn't even asleep.

    The last reading I got in April was not so good with the Australian lady. She did not connect with my mom at all. She asked if she was young when she passed.. she was 93. if she was Italian.. she's Irish. nothing made sense. And she told me something was going to happen in Nov. that someone close to me was going into the hospital, but it wouldn't be life threatening. It's not me she said, so I'm waiting for that... ugh... just keeping it honest here.. I will announce if this is comes true. Hope not.

    What I think happens is, sometimes they filter things with their own experiences and history. I have heard some mediums actually prefer to do ph readings so they don't get influenced or distracted by the sitter, and get better readings.

    Look forward to hearing about your reading. It's unbelievable these mediums are booked up so far in advance. Wow, what a business.
     
    Last edited: Oct 18, 2015
  10. marmaladecat

    marmaladecat Member

    Your husband's reading sounds like it provided evidence which was not only validating to him but to you too in what I would consider a truly authentic and meaningful experience. :)

    I had one awful experience with one medium some years ago who I am sure was just cold reading. She appeared to be trying to work out my ethnicity whilst hazarding guesses about passed relatives based on these assumptions. She was also asking loads of questions which I thought was a bit suspicious too! Your reading with the Australian medium sounds quite similar in that she appears to have been fishing for clues! :mad:
     
  11. janef

    janef Moderator

    btw... Juniper, It's great having you on the forum! I hope you will share some of it with us, all experiences are unique. Just a summary as I gave would be great. Were you able to remember the telepathic information? Did it change your beliefs?
     
  12. janef

    janef Moderator

    That is interesting jim. I have a hummingbird feeder hanging right in the window above my computer desk. And I wont see them for days, but when i begin thinking of my mom, one will usually show up. :)
     
  13. RobertaGrimes

    RobertaGrimes Administrator

    I'm not sure exactly what I might have said, but I can tell you that those that we used to think were dead do frequently tell us that indeed they cause a lot of coincidences to happen as signs and confirmations for us. Mikey Morgan talks about this in Flying High in Spirit. I talk about it in The Fun of Staying in Touch, and if you would like a PDF of that book please just contact me through robertagrimes.com.

    Speaking personally, I can tell you that my primary guide gives me coincidence-based signs all the time! He routinely gives me numbers signs, where he makes me look at a clock or my odometer to see a series of numbers, and in fact he has just made me notice that it is 4:44 in the morning. For another example, I have been invited to an important and amazing meeting that I hope eventually to be able to discuss here but I can't talk about it just yet, and when I knew that it was being arranged I thought it might have been Thomas's work. (That isn't his eternal name, of course, but when we met through Susanne Wilson he asked me to call him Thomas because he knew I would think of him that way once he announced that he had been Thomas Jefferson in his next-to-last lifetime). So I have just been told that this meeting is scheduled for April 13th. Not the 5th or the 12th. Not March 29th. But April 13th. And April 13th is Thomas Jefferson's birthday. A coincidence? Yes. A coincidence arranged and used by him as a sign to me that he had made this meeting happen? Absolutely!
     
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  14. ShingingLight1967

    ShingingLight1967 Active Member

    This is a very interesting discussion and I am glad it was bumped up.

    I dont believe in coincidences. I especially dont, just due to the fact of how my husband and I came together. We used to talk about it, a lot.

    My husband and I ran in the same circles and knew the same people when we were younger, and yet, we never meet. It is clearly obvious that things were put into place for us to meet at the exact time we needed to meet. We used to talk about it a lot, how we cant believe we never ran into each other because we were in the same place, at the same time, with the same people and should have met, but never did.

    We both believed that there were forces at work that brought us together at the exact moment we were supposed to be together. Circumstances needed to be exact. Case in point. He was married, they bought a huge house together, and shortly after divorced. He had the house up for sale and something told him not to sell the house. We met about 3 months later, and about 18 months later, me and my kids were calling his house, home. Oh, and how did we meet?

    We met through work. He had been there for years, after his separation he was starting to date again. I got the job at the same place, through a series of interesting turns, and just by chance, we met.

    Everything in our world was such perfect timing that we both believed that it wasnt a coincidence, but was a greater plan in place.

    I just dont believe that there are such things as coincidence.
     
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  15. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    I can readily accept that some, perhaps many, events may indeed not be down to coincidence, that those events take place because of orchestration and planning. But surely it's a huge leap then to say that every seemingly trivial, or apparently inconsequential, event has been orchestrated or planned.

    If that were the case we'd be little more than marionettes dancing to the tune of a
    puppet-master.
     
  16. RobertaGrimes

    RobertaGrimes Administrator

    Good point, dear Mac, but I would just add that we still have free will. Spirit can arrange for us to meet the same person repeatedly in order for us to make the marriage we had planned together before our births, but we still are free to pursue that relationship or not. I receive many-times-daily coincidences from Thomas now as he reassures me that I am doing what he wants me to do, but still I have the power and the right to close my computer and go fishing. The mathematical odds against nearly anything that we would notice to be a coincidence actually happening are very long, so I would tend to share ShiningLight1967's view. The number of truly coincident events that actually happen is vanishingly tiny.
     
  17. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    But there is an indeterminately large number of apparent coincidences anyway and mathematically their probability of being chance coincidence might be higher than we imagine? ;)

    I'm not a mathematician but with such a massive pool of coincident events at all levels of magnitude of importances I'd need to be persuaded that all could be attributed to the influences of (mostly) unseen spirit-form friends.:) Perhaps we could agree on saying there may be more than I realise and less than you think the case?

    But I was actually agreeing about apparent coincidences where they're significant or important in an individual's life. Unseen friends may indeed be working hard to influence the actors in a scene whose desired ending has been planned-for long before it was due to take place. Perhaps in such cases coincidence is down to cause-and-effects arising from deliberate actions. Maybe in others, though, where an outcome is flexible, not pre-determined, chance coincidence can occur bringing about a particular outcome, one that may, or may not, have been desirable but wasn't actually vitally important.

    Maybe it's in those situations that the freewill of one significantly impacts the freewill of another, in so doing preventing a pre-planned event?
     
  18. RobertaGrimes

    RobertaGrimes Administrator

    I don't know, Mac. Beings not in bodies tell us that there are no actual coincidences. None. So I tell people that if they notice a coincidence that seems significant to them they should say aloud that they notice the coincidence and they would like to know what it means or what they should do. Can't hurt!
     
  19. jimrich

    jimrich Active Member

    My late wife, Irene, has some very subtle, yet distinguishing ways of "dropping by". Yesterday, after my jazz gig, two ladies approached me to say hello and I realized that they are friends from the recent past that I've not seen in a while. So, as we stood there yakking, I became fascinated with their very interesting and "expensive" clothes (they are "rich" ladies) and touched one lady's jacket while commenting on both of their jackets, etc. Later, as I drove away, it "hit me" that my interest in their clothes CAME FROM Irene, who was and still is very interested in fashion and attire and we often visited Chico's when we had a few extra $$$, so those lady friend's attire reminded Irene, of what is sold at Chico's. When I realized that Irene was once more here, I just had to tell her how much I still love and respect her and we both had a good laugh. I did not notice Irene's presence while talking with the ladies and only realized Irene was admiring their clothes afterwards or I would have said, "Irene loves your jackets." I am slowly learning that many folks do NOT want to hear about the Afterlife or "spirits" so Irene is laying low these days!
     
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  20. RobertaGrimes

    RobertaGrimes Administrator

    Heh - No, I cannot yet talk about it. When I can, I will!
     

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