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Had a reading done and not in good shape after

Discussion in 'General Afterlife Discussions' started by GoldDustWoman622, Apr 26, 2018.

  1. mac

    mac Staff Member

    Based on your account I would not feel inclined to show any approval of her ability as a medium.

    Unless there are things you haven't told us, clear indicators that it was your husband communicating, then I'd be inclined to think the practitioner you visited was a psychic (or as they're often called in the USA, psychic mediums) OR she was having a bad day and was working in the psychic realm rather than the spiritual.

    If the latter were the case she ought to have admitted she was getting nothing of value. And if she had suggested you could expect (spiritual) mediumship, in my view she ought to have offered a refund of her fee.
     
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  2. Ski

    Ski

    Well, that's why I don't talk to mediums. I believe some people have gifts, I know they do....but not everyone is "ON" all the time. That's why I also don't believe a person should run a business using mediumship. I have abilities myself, and there is no way I can just tap into things at any time. The frequency has to be right, and I have to be in a good emotional/mental state. That alone, because humans have good and bad days, would disqualify most from setting up pre planned meetings.

    Imo, you do what you want with those diamonds....those diamonds are for you. They are not hers, your husband bought those for you. He would love anything you decide to make out of them, a ring, necklace...toe ring, diamond teeth

    I think the reading, imo, was a sham. In my experience, they don't tell us what to do, unless it's going to benefit us. They also dont contradict themselves, because they know what we are going through, and they know where we are going.

    I use to get psychic readings for fun....by "experts" but you know what, they were shams, too. It didn't take long to figure that out. Most good paychics are by word of mouth, friends of friends, and have a reputation. I have yet to find any of them online, by phone number, or Logos.

    I had a good friend call me one time....she had consulted a psychic and was blown away by how accurate her reading was. After an hour of telling me what the psychic said, she talked me into calling the same psychic.

    You know what that psychic told me? Exactly what she told my friend. Word for word. I hung up on her amd did not waste my time on her. Even her opening line was the same as what she told my friend.

    I'm a big believer in the afterlife, I've experienced it.....but I'm not a fan of paychics, mediums, or fortune tellers.

    I'm sorry, but I do not believe she connected with your husband.

    I'm also sorry that she let you down....I usually don't apologize for somebody else's wrong doings, but your feelings matter more to me than my distaste for money taking psychics.

    I know that you needed and wanted to hear from your husband, and you did everything you could to make this reading go right...it's just you can not control what other people do. Look into your own heart...you know your husband better than anyone else.
     
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  3. mac

    mac Staff Member

    A problem in the USA - but elsewhere too - is that practitioners may not be what folk expect mediums to be. Just referring to them as 'mediums' tells us nothing - are they 'psychic mediums' or are they 'spiritual mediums'?




    It's always been that way but it's at least a possibility that an experienced medium will have more time 'on' than a practitioner whose sensitivities are less developed, less tested and maybe less dependable... It's a long-running debate in my Spiritualist circles whether the service of mediumship should be charged for. That's a conversation for another thread.

    Those stones are the business only of their owner or keeper. Psychic readers have no more idea - and no right to say - what should be done with 'em than anyone who's not a psychic.

    Our loved ones may try to help but even their counsel deserves to be weighed and considered. They're not automatically right about everything any more than they were when incarnate.

    And the problem may be is that there is little indication which practitioner is which but also there's a lack of understanding which should be providing what service.

    Apologising for another's failures means little - only the one who fails can offer a meaningful apology.

    The practitioner was, of course, the primary problem if she wasn't competent to provide sound mediumship. A practitioner who has no reliable link - if any link at all - to loved ones in the etheric world should not be expected to communicate with them. Beyond that, however, is the possibility that even an experienced evidential medium can not guarantee that they will link to a specific spirit person. That can be hard to accept but it's not necessarily the failing of the medium.

    [There's a couple of threads on ALF where psychics and mediums are discussed - what they are and what they're not.]
     
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  4. Ski

    Ski

    Thanks Mac, you are so right....the times where I have had strong psychic experiences, were with people I had strong emotional ties with, or subjects that I was invested into emotionally. I did pick up on a stranger online( I should post about that sometime) It was my first time responding to her, but the subject matter....I was very passionate about, and emotionally invested in.

    I did get one accurate reading one time in my life. I met a lady at a BBQ, and she read my palm. She told me 3 things.

    1. I was married...could have been a good guess....I was not wearing a wedding ring. I had lost weight, amd the ring fell off my finger, and was found in a friends driveway a year later, broken.

    2. I have two children....she could have known this, but she had never met me before, and my family wasn't with me, they were on a fishing trip.

    3. One of my children was permenantley disabled or died young....which was true. One of my children is disabled and will need care for the rest of his life.....she couldn't have known that.

    She did not charge me a penny...and she was the only accurate psychic who did not fish for information, or give me a bunch of hoopla. Then she explain to me I detail how she read my palm and how she knew the things she did.
     
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  5. mac

    mac Staff Member

    If we go to a practitioner for a reading that we know will be purely psychic and get what we're expecting then we are not being misled e.g a reading from a so-called fortune teller at a fair or on a seaside pier. But a psychic reading is not spirit communication via mediumship although with the ambiguity surrounding the word 'medium' a seeker could think it is; they could be hoping to hear from a person in spirit. If the practitioner fails to make it clear to their client exactly what they will get there is a likelihood the seeker will be disappointed and even feel they've been duped.

    Exactly what value a psychic reading may have for any particular sitter will depend on what they expect and what they hear - and what value they believe it will have. It's a similar situation concerning spiritual mediumship BUT I think it's important the differences between psychic reading and mediumship should be appreciated by seekers.

    I have no difficulty with either practitioner charging for the service provided as long as it was the service they were offering. Do we expect they should provide it for free?
     
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  6. Ski

    Ski

    Imo....yes. If it's a message from God or the other side...it should be free.
    I'm not charging any of you to talk to me, or making you pay $3.99/minute to have a discussion. That doesn't sound spiritual, it sounds gimmicky and not very authentic. If I had a gift to give messages out from God, I'd be taking them very seriously...especially concerning someone who is vulnerable and in pain. I wouldn't do it for entertainment, hobby, fun or 3.99.

    It would be because I was called to do it. That's what makes me think most psychics charging people are fraudulent.
     
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  7. Thanks to you all , I just thought of something .. in reference to her being a medium she was specific that she wasn't a psychic but an evidential medium . However ,, when Mac asked if I had left anything out . There actually may be and I did not realize it . ( I still cannot figure out who all she was talking about ) BUT ... There may be no such thing as being too prepared for a sitting , but during this clearing out process I went through to get ready something shifted in ME . I mean I did ALOT of meditation and went alone to my sisters cabin on the North Shore of Oahu for a week and just soaked up nature and just fell in with the surfers and the neighborhood people living life and was actually myself again for a moment ( I thought ) and in that process is where the anger began so by the time she got here I was certainly calm and open on top but deep down was/is a severe rage .
    Fortunately my daughter has taken my garbage bag of his things and hidden them . This anger is bad enough that any messages may have been difficult for anyone . I still agree if she just was't picking up anything that it was ok and I would rather hear that than a made up story .
    I went from shock and denial and am crashing straight into anger but it took me awhile to think of it - again you all can see from the outside in . This is the only thing I can think of but it is a BIG thing . Had he still been here , he was such a sensitive man that he would probably have been afraid . I never ever feel this kind of rage, it's almost feral . So yes looking back with alot of self examination I was very angry WAY deep down by the time she got here . I just had to look back .
    Thank you all for guiding me through , daughter was telling me you wont be able to live without these things , don't do this - I was having a complete meltdown last evening. My friends were saying the same thing . So everything is up until I can get past this part . Same with the reading , I will try again with someone else when I get farther past this part
    Isn't grief fun ! Yay ! :eek: More like an out of control roller coaster .....
    .. and yes , even though Ascot has been derailed for this year I will be back next . I am just absolutely worn OUT .
     
  8. mac

    mac Staff Member

    As I suggested earlier, a different thread is the place to hold a conversation concerning charging for any service provided. This thread is to offer our thoughts about golddustwoman's bad experience.
     
  9. mac

    mac Staff Member

    So we now have a distinct framework for what could be expected.


    There's the rub. There's nothing wrong in having forgotten something BUT it's incumbent on an evidential medium - if that's what she actually is and not just what she believes she is - to work towards finding evidence of identity that her sitter can either identify at the time or take away to research. The reason for the latter is that there's no knowing who may come through during a sitting. [I'm avoiding using 'a reading' because for me it's too close to psychic reading.] In my view there should not be uncertainty about who a communicator is without the medium's explanation why. It's not unusual not to recognise a communicator but it doesn't mean (s)he hasn't come through for you. an important role of the medium is to explain this to you and to get you to hold on to details to check later. Not easy when you're hoping for one particular individual.


    It's good that you did for yourself things you thought had helped but you suggest that seething emotions were raging inside. Forgive me but your emotional state may have been far from receptive and that would not have helped the sitting. The potential effect of such emotion has been discussed on ALF previously but it's not likely to be a positive one.


    Yes she should have told you what was happening and explained. If it was a jumble of details that you were totally unable to relate to she ought to have offered to stop. If she was psychic reading but allowing it to appear to be mediumship then I find that unforgiveable. If it was a load of baloney it's equally bad.


    Anger and rage is a terribly destructive emotion and not one we choose and probably one we will struggle to combat. As I said earlier the effect of such deep emotion is unlikely to have a positive outcome during mediumship BUT a competent practitioner should realse and react accordingly.

    I do hope you won't do anything precipitate because you are almost certain to regret it later.

    I'm not qualified to advise you about anything but one thought is that a sitting with another medium - not a psychic - deserves to be put on hold. Another thought is that the therapist you said had been helping you for some time is someone who is most likely to help you learn to cope with this awful situation.

    And when you are more settled in your emotions you'll have a better chance of deciding what comes next.




    I would expect from what I've read and heard from others in similar situations that they will say much the same as you. Clearly you're exhausted emotionally and probably just as exhausted physically. Do only what you need to do to get through this trial. Stay with us here on ALF as you're with others who understand.
     
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  10. Zac

    Zac Member

    I've had about 30 sittings with 10 different mediums over the past 7 years. I found that some mediums are much more reliable than others. I only had 1 or 2 sittings with most of those mediums though, in nearly all cases, they all came up with something I considered evidential. I found they tended to come up with the most stuff during the initial sitting and subsequent ones were more likely to come up blank. In particular, I would highly recommend Tim Braun (Costa Mesa, CA) who I found to be the most reliable. I have had 10 sittings with him (including earlier this year) and have never been disappointed. But, Tim is expensive ($325 for a 50-60 minute sitting) so I can't afford to visit him except maybe once a year.
     

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