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Fictional universes and characters existing somewhere else ?

Discussion in 'General Afterlife Discussions' started by Dominum_Sui_Esse, Jan 7, 2018.

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  1. Dominum_Sui_Esse

    Dominum_Sui_Esse New Member

    All is in the tittle.
    There are many stories created with such strenght... Many creators have the feelings that their characters "talk to them"and they give so much precisions about their universes that it can't just be the result of someone's imagination. And what if we were the result of someone's imagination.
    I have many things to tell about it but first I want to have your opinion, and maybe if someone can give me some trails, tell me if there are books telling about this idea.
    I tried to talk about this in an other forum, but it's quite difficult to have exchanges on that subject.
    Life after Death is not absurd, why would this be ? Would fictional universes and characters somewhere ? In the afterlife ?
    Thank you in advance for your attention and your answers...
     
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  2. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    no need for caution here - welcome to ALF and please say your piece
     
  3. Dominum_Sui_Esse

    Dominum_Sui_Esse New Member

    Thank you for your fast answer. I really would like to have people advices here on that subject first. There are many fictional universes and characters that contribuate to help us, to gude us. And sometimes it's more than juste a little thing. It really means like other "real" things live. Excuse me if my english sounds a little confused or mumbled. I would be delighted to read you all in this topic.
     
  4. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    Your English is just fine but why not start a particular topic yourself? Then members can begin to respond to what YOU have to say. One topic at a time makes it easiest for all of us.... :)
     
  5. Dominum_Sui_Esse

    Dominum_Sui_Esse New Member

    OK. I made a first one where I introduced myself and this one to enter to the subject. I know there are some forums where you can't post anything before introducing yourself.
    And the particular topic is just here, where we talk right now. I don't what else I can do.
     
  6. Dominum_Sui_Esse

    Dominum_Sui_Esse New Member

    I say these universes and characters may exist in an other level (I don't know what is the good word).
    It's all about the existence of this fictional universes and characters. I read on the topic that had been closed that people thought it was just a representation you can create but that will never be able to exist. What do you think about that ?
    Feel free to tell me if I don't express things correctly.
     
  7. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    There are no such restrictions here.
     
  8. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    which topic? where?
     
  9. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    I don't subscribe to two of the three notions described....
     
  10. Dominum_Sui_Esse

    Dominum_Sui_Esse New Member

    Interesting answer !
    Just to give you an example. Imagine a book you've read. The story, the characters, the ambiance... everything makes you feel they are real. You think to yourself: "This can't be just a imagined story, it must exist somewhere else!"
    Is it possible ?
    The few I read on that subject were that people (the same people who believe in the afterlife) thought that all is fictive here on earth can be represented on the afterlife like some kind of holograms. The characters can be represented as a picture, as a figure but can't be "real" elsewhere.

    The notion of afterlife, reincarnation, astral projections are facts those people believe in and they don't believe on the possibility fictional universes and characters could exist somewhere else...

    And I'll go further... Is it possible to reach in a many ways these universes like in astral projections ? or something else ?
     
  11. bluebird

    bluebird Well-Known Member

    As a writer, I can tell you that yes, it can just be the result of someone's imagination, and often is. That's the wonder and beauty of the human imagination.

    This doesn't mean that the idea you presented is necessarily invalid, just that at the very least, it is not always the case.
     
  12. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    nicely put, bb :)
     
  13. kim marine

    kim marine Active Member

    All is fiction here on earth. I believe we are represented as holograms here on earth. If mankind is able to capture light waves by the use of a camera snapshot and create that image on a film why wouldn't Consciousness be able to refine the waves of Conscience and develop a 3 dimensional image out of nothing or on a dark plane? A meaningful piece of art is not created by using only light; a little bit of darkness is needed or there would be no depth.
     
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  14. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    I changed the words of your first sentence a little. That done I could totally accept what you've suggested there. ;)

    The rest not so much! :D
     
  15. kim marine

    kim marine Active Member

    Thank-you, that is a much better way of saying what I meant to say!:)
     
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  16. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

  17. bluebird

    bluebird Well-Known Member

    :) thanks.
     
  18. kim marine

    kim marine Active Member

    I believe that living here is as though we are the actors, and it is as though a film is rolling in our minds'. If we desire we may edit any scene when we experience while we are viewing any particur clip of the film.
     
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  19. Dominum_Sui_Esse

    Dominum_Sui_Esse New Member

    You are the only person I've "seen" in the internet thinking exactly the same ..... Thank you for your message !
    I think it's so absurd from people who believe in such great things not to even think of the possibility that there could be an existence of fictional universes and characters.... You can't imagine how angry I can be when I read in some forums people saying exactly this: "Oh yes, there are multiverses of anykind ! Yes, you keep on living after your death ! Oh yes there are no limits in the afterlife !.... But... What ? The fiction? Oh come on, it's bullshit, there are limits: imagination, fiction, fictional characters.... all of this is illusion !" (It's summarized in a rude way but the content is the same)

    But I think it's the deal... By writing this topic, I know I'll get answers from people like you who really believe in it... and others answers of people trying to tell me gently that it's an illusion.... That's the deal... But it can be very frustrating that this subject is so rejected ...
     
  20. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    And they probably think it's absurd of you to suggest there is. It doesn't make either party wrong or right though. But it appears to me that you're conflating evidence of continuous life and fantasy borne of of imagination.


    Why become angry about it? If you're confident about your ideas then state, support and defend 'em. It's what I've been doing for decades. I'll support what I maintain about life 'in the beyond' so let's hear you supporting what you claim about whatever you actually are claiming....



    What's the deal?

    You'll also get answers from folk wondering what you're going on about and some will challenge you to explain yourself clearly so they can access the points you're making. Right now I'm struggling to understand what those points actually are....
     
  21. Dominum_Sui_Esse

    Dominum_Sui_Esse New Member

    You know, it's been hard for me in a first time to be able to discuss of the notion of life after death with other people. Like it's probably been for you too.

    There were rejection and there always will be, I know that. It's the deal. By writing this topic, I completely accept that there will be ideas close to mine and ideas not close to mine, this is exactly what I said in my message. I'm also in my right to say that I can feel angry or sad, or disappointed when I always see the same answers and the same rejections. I'm not talking about this forum but many others I saw before. And those people are obviously also in their rights to have others beliefs, they are in their rights not to think like me.

    We're all free to claim what we want to claim. Like you said, don't worry about that, I'll always defend this idea and I'm aware of all the difficulty it will imply.
    Even if I won't be taken seriously, that's not a problem. I'll keep on trying

    I hope we can now come back to the subject. I would be delighted if someone could tell by chance if he or she knows a book who approaches the idea of the existence fictional universes and characters in other levels in the afterlife.
    If someone has any trails, any tiny thing that can be interesting to share, I'm open.
    Anyway, thanks to everybody for their contribution and for their answers !
     
  22. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    I'm still waiting to hear from you in detail. Maybe you're just looking for folk who don't challenge what you have to say?

    Have you tried here? http://psiencequest.net
     
  23. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    no, never

    agreed


    agreed

    You suggested how frustrated you are about this, though. And I'm still waiting to hear what you have to say...

    I'd like you to just say what the subject actually is!


    ah - that's what you're looking for!
     
  24. Dominum_Sui_Esse

    Dominum_Sui_Esse New Member

    I'll also check this forum ! Thank you for the link. But it will be interesting to have other people point of view here. I think by making this topic, I made a first step to that subject.

    If you really didn't understand what was my message, please read again my first message on this thread. I tried my best to explain.
    I don't know how I can write things all is clear in my first message.

    Thank you for the link you gave to me. I'll give you a feedback, thank you very much !
     
  25. kim marine

    kim marine Active Member

    So, we are limited by this physical reality, right? But, thankfully, we won't be living here forever! Are there times when this reality seems to weigh on a soul more heavily than other times perhaps to strengthen us? To me, this reality is physical and seemingly separate because it contains all the vibrations of consciousness and how we use those vibes to govern our lives is congruent with the vibes of the plane where we will exist eternally or until we get a desire to mature. Does that sound feasible?
     
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  26. bluebird

    bluebird Well-Known Member

    Dominum_Sui_Esse,

    Let me ask you this -- why is it that you believe fictional characters exist in some more "real" (for lack of a better word) way, in a way beyond that in which good fiction (and the characters created by good authors) lingers in our minds long after finishing the books in which they appear?
     
  27. kim marine

    kim marine Active Member

    Do you believe we created this life before we entered this dimension? But we've forgotten about it and therefore don't allow ourselves to see the light at the end? Maybe because we let this world dominate our thoughts? It is just that things were so up for me when I joined the forum and within the last couple of days certain little things have happened in my life that draw me down. It can just be the smallest thing I experience in daily life. We just had a snow storm, and my car got stuck in the driveway. A neighbor helped my son get it out of the snow. That gave me vibes. Movies, particular actors and TV shows give me vibes. Computers available in public libraries give me vibes. I did use them a lot (although I am using a computer at home now). Eating lunch at a certain restaurants arouses familiar vibes in my mind. Where I get my hair cut gives me familiar vibes.........It is endless. I watched the movie 'Some Like It Hot' quite a while ago because I wanted to see Jack Lemmon when he was young. I saw a movie he was in his late 60s and I wanted to see a younger Jack. When I viewed the movie, I got familiar vibes as though I had seen it before. Then to top it all off, I think Jack Lemmon died in 2001, when I heard about his death I had an uncanny sense of grief as though I had lost a personal friend.
     
  28. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    my pleasure - I think there may be members with similar interests

    In your first posting you wrote: "There are many stories created with such strenght... Many creators have the feelings that their characters "talk to them"and they give so much precisions about their universes that it can't just be the result of someone's imagination. And what if we were the result of someone's imagination.
    I have many things to tell about it but first I want to have your opinion, and maybe if someone can give me some trails, tell me if there are books telling about this idea.
    I tried to talk about this in an other forum, but it's quite difficult to have exchanges on that subject.
    Life after Death is not absurd, why would this be ? Would fictional universes and characters somewhere ? In the afterlife ?"

    You've asked for opinions after which you say you have many things to tell - I'm still waiting. When you say what you have to tell I'll respond. From the name of this website you should be aware that life-after-death is its primary focus. Let me give you a lead. How would fictitional characters figure in a life-after-death scenario?
     
  29. Dominum_Sui_Esse

    Dominum_Sui_Esse New Member

    Well, it came to my mind when I realised the traces that these universes are too strong to be just fictive. I remember I had a powerful discussion with a friend after we watched the movie "Edward Scissorhands", he had a little tear at the end of the movie. And I asked him: "Do you realise that even if it's fictive, you are moved by this story. Have you thought this could be real somewhere else ?" He answered: "I don't believe in such things... but who knows?..."
    I had a friend of mine who read a novel. He told me he was so moved that he cried. He really cried and he naturaly told me: "Sometimes, I have the feelings that these characters are not just made of imagination and ink in a paper."
    So... Who knows ? In the afterlife, it's possible to approach other universes where these characters could be ? Who knows? just a possibility ? I'm not certain of that but I just think... and why not ?
     
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