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Discussion in 'Spiritual Growth & Development' started by jimrich, Sep 29, 2018.

  1. jimrich

    jimrich Established Member

    Roberta, the one mind concept lines up with the Hindu concept of Advaita = not two or simply Oneness or Unity Consciousness - concepts that are very difficult and threatening to many Westerners. One mind/self/me terrifies the personal ego who wants to go on and on as a separate "special" someone or person no matter what! Oh well...
    I am finally learning the hard way to keep my contacts with disincarnates a secret and refrain from telling others that a disincarnates is here when I notice one. Others react badly to such info and can become frightened or jealous of my realizations. They don't want nor need to know that a dead person is present so I just clam up about it. We are going to a dead friend's funeral today and the dead one has already paid me a friendy visit but I"ve said nothing to anyone about the visit. Oh weii, so be it. Imo, more people would and could have contact with the dead BUT the frightened ego cannot handle it. The ego is just too fragile and vulnerable to accpt such a threatening reality so DENIAL is the ego's best defense. It's OK. The dead are doing just fine with or without recognition and honor.
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  2. RobertaGrimes

    RobertaGrimes Administrator

    Jimrich, our egos fight for their own survival as we continue to grow spiritually, and what they seem generally to do is to make us fear our own extinction. Heh - but it is really THEIR extinction they are fighting! As I did ACIM and got to the point called "the extinction of the ego," I became terrified that I was going to lose awareness, but no need to worry! Eventually I woke up one morning feeling a profound peace, and I heard a voice say, "You will never lose awareness. You will have God's awareness." And that did it for me! From that day forward, I never have feared anything. You don't need the ego, and it isn't you at all. It is a primitive feature of this temporary body. You are much better off without it!
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  3. ForeverAutumn

    ForeverAutumn New Member

    I can't help feeling a bit sorry for the poor ego. One way of looking at it is that it's doing what it's meant to do, a bit like the satnav when you're driving a car. It's a useful item of software but it has its limits!

    What the ego cannot understand, perhaps (because it's not equipped to do so) is the true nature of reality. Death and loss, from the ego's perspective, is terrifying because it means oblivion, "going off the map". Switching analogies, it's like a small infant who thinks his mother has vanished forever, when she's just walked into another room for a moment.

    What if each of us was simultaneously "one" (with one another, with our oversoul, with God) and distinct as an individual? This would be in line with the Buddhist idea of Indra's Net, or the grid of pearls, each one valued and loved as an individual gem in its own right, yet each one reflecting all the others (the hologram, of course, being a modern take on this idea). So the individual is not destroyed and still remains the individual - but paradoxically is also every other individual and the totality (God).
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  4. jimrich

    jimrich Established Member

    The joke is that there is NO ego or separate individual anywhere. All there is is energy or Life happening. BTW, you don't "have awareness" - you ARE awareness or consciousness or Life or whatever else you might label your self. The separate, egoic self and all apparently separate forms are a total illusion embraced and included in the Whole or Totality that is You. You are all that there is. I assume that ACIM showed you and others this easily observable fact. There is only one "thing" here and it's You. The ego is terrified of this simple fact because it might mean the end of the so-called separate self or ego. Oh well....... The ego does not, never did and never will exist except as an imagined entity. Look deeply within to find this "ego" and it cannot be found.
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  5. RobertaGrimes

    RobertaGrimes Administrator

    Heh - it's a satnav ;-). Good analogy!

    What seems to be the case is that the ego is part of the package with which we are born, and we have it because without it we would still be too attached to home, which is of course so much better that we would want to go right back! It seems to be the ego's job to (a) reinforce that this illusion is real, (b) make us want to protect the body and fear its extinction, and (c) make us feel grabby and self-important, perhaps as a way to sharpen the life-lessons that we are about to begin. Our true selves, of course, are the opposite of the way the ego makes us feel! And while it is necessary to have an ego early in life, I did the ACIM extinction-of-the-ego process rather late in life so I can tell you that losing the ego does make a huge difference. And a wonderful one! I'll enumerate some of the ways that I feel different now:

    1) I used to be at least somewhat fearful. I knew that life is eternal, but still on occasion worries would ambush me.

    From the moment I lost the ego, I have never experienced even an instant's fear about anything!

    2) I used to have a big and troublesome need to feel important. I recall, for example, one birthday in my latter twenties when no family member or friend called me and nobody seemed to care, and I was very upset by the end of the day. I was bitterly ranting to my poor, patient husband about it up to the moment when we entered our house late that afternoon, and everyone I loved jumped out and yelled "Surprise!" I even had some ego issues with watching experts in this field getting accolades when it appeared to me that I knew more than they did.

    From the moment I lost the ego, I have not had the slightest interest in or need for accolades at any level. I want others to have them; I don't need them. I'll be going home soon, and just going home is going to be all the reward I will need! And I can love people now who don't really love me back, and it's fine. I feel as if I shed love now as a violet sheds its fragrance, even on the heel that crushes it. There is such joy in feeling this way!

    3) I realize now that the way I felt back then was erratic. I had things to prove, there were things that I wanted, there was a general air of uncertainty that seemed to underlie my life. All of this felt normal to me! It was who I was and who I always had been. 90% of success is showing up. Fake it 'til you make it.

    From the moment I lost the ego, I have never been uncertain or stressed or worried about anything! All that I do is in the hands of Spirit, I am a little pencil in God's hand, and I want only what Spirit wants. I am joyous in service, and I feel not diminished but infinitely greater in knowing that none of this is about me at all! I recommend this stage of life very highly, and I very much recommend ACIM as a part of your spiritual growth. I don't think I ever was completely happy in my life until after I lost that little ego-monkey forever. Try it!

    And ForeverAutumn, thank you for sharing the Grid of Pearls idea. It appears from the evidence that indeed something like that is what is going on, and each of us is inextricably part of the Whole - the base creative force - and our sense of individual awareness never ends. Thomas told me on the morning when I woke up to find my ego gone that I would never lose awareness - "You will have God's awareness." I am confident now that is wonderfully right!!
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  6. jimrich

    jimrich Established Member

    Roberta, please do not read this as an attack, challenge or insult but, re: "I am a little pencil in God's hand, and "I want only what Spirit wants."
    Is this 'I' just another aspect of the ego, i.e. "I (the ego) am a little pencil.."..."and "I (the ego) want only..."...? Is it possible that your ego continues on in a disguised and modified fashion? It's OK to have an ego so long as the ego does not HAVE us but the ego is very subtle and cleaver and can wear a disguise in certain situations and it's best disguise is to appear as someone (the ego) who lost or got rid of their ego. LOL, this could be my ego saying this!
    In my experience, the ego cannot be "lost forever" but it can be "seen through" whenever it appears which gives me the power to stop the ego from taking me over and running my life on it's unhealthy terms. For me, psychology did the best job of showing me what my ego is and how to manage it so it cannot mess up my life anymore. It's a constant struggle but it gets easier and easier to catch my ego BEFORE it takes over. Re: ACIM (a course in miracles), use whatever works but don't think that your ego has been lost or killed or it will kick you from behind when you least expect it.
    I read this as: You (the ego) will have God's awareness. I'd say that you (anyone/thing) ARE awareness (even if you don't know it). The ego can act like it has "God's awareness" but it's still the same old ego - in disguise. Don't let the tricky ego fool you.
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  7. bluebird

    bluebird Major Contributor

    There's nothing wrong with having an ego; it is a normal part of being human. It becomes wrong/dangerous/unhealthy/etc. only when the ego is allowed to run roughshod over everything and control everything in life without being held in check. It is necessary to have balance.
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  8. RobertaGrimes

    RobertaGrimes Administrator

    I would have agreed with most of what you've said, Jimrich, until I experienced it. I think our problem in discussing this is the limitations of our language - we don't have a separate word for who we truly are, so my necessary use of the personal pronouns tricks you into believing the ego has remained. My hunch is that it is your own ego that makes you need to think this way, since if I can convince you that you, too, can grow beyond it, that grubby little thing will die! So, let's make up a new pronoun. One day it will be part of the English language to have two different pronouns; but for now, I am afraid, we are stuck with one. But please do not for a moment let your own ego trick you into thinking that you cannot entirely shed it!

    Now that I have been through the ACIM extinction of the ego, I can assure you that:

    (a) There is indeed a grabby and fearful little ego thing that is not who you are, but that literally drives your mind from birth. It makes you think it is you, but it is not you. And once you have grown a bit spiritually, it seems to be a necessary part of the growth process for you to shed that unnecessary aspect so you can shed the fear that it obsesses you with and begin to more fruitfully grow in love.

    (b) There is indeed a genuine "I" (or a "You") that is who you truly are. It is eternal, perfect love, and it is who you were before you were born and who you will be eternally. What feels miraculous to me is that once you shed the earth-based ego, it STAYS shed - it doesn't come back! - and literally EVERYTHING is different.

    Nice try, Jimrich's ego! You need to convince him that I couldn't lose the ego because you are terrified that he might come to understand that he can lose you, too. But he can. And he will be much the better and happier for it!
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  9. Kurt

    Kurt Major Contributor

    But is the ego even a bad thing? What about Max Stirner?
  10. Kurt

    Kurt Major Contributor

    What is your opinion on Max Stirner?

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