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dr sam parnia findings

Discussion in 'General Afterlife Discussions' started by Storybud68, Nov 25, 2018.

  1. Storybud68

    Storybud68 Active Member

    I recently saw on the news dr sam parnia of London who after 2 years of research said that consciousness goes on for a few minutes after the heart stops due to brain activity ,so basically he is saying when the brain is completely dead so is consiousness .I would welcome your views. thank you.
     
  2. mac

    mac Staff Member

    easy - The consciousness of the physical body is dead - hardly a revelation and irrelevant to many of us here who know there's abundant evidence that the death of the body doesn't equate to the death of the individual......
     
  3. Storybud68

    Storybud68 Active Member

    thanks mac,does that mean then we may have two consciousness?one physical and one spiritual,and does it also mean that ndes and out of body experiences are just totally to do with the biological brain?
     
  4. mac

    mac Staff Member

    Our consciousness arises because we are alive - eternally and not just when we're 'in-the-body'.

    When the body finally stops working our consciousness registers without it because our bodies were never vital for consciousness. It's perhaps one reason why some think we come alive at the moment of birth, folk who have no understanding of neither the afterlife nor the 'beforelife'.

    Near death experience involves both the body and the eternal mind. Can't have the first without the second or the third! ;)
     
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  5. bluebird

    bluebird Regular Contributor

    Yes, the consciousness stops once brain activity stops, as consciousness resides in the brain. So the doctor you mention has only stated physical facts, which are in his area of expertise (the workings of the human body).

    As to whether or not we have souls, and whether or not those souls continue to exist after death, it is my view that no living human can know that for sure.
     
  6. RobertaGrimes

    RobertaGrimes Administrator

    Dear friends, the evidence is consistent and overwhelming that what we experience as human consciousness is the base creative force that continuously manifests this universe. Max Planck won the 1918 Nobel Prize in physics as the father of quantum mechanics, but he should have won a second Nobel for having found and described God! In 1931 he said, ”I regard consciousness as fundamental. I regard matter as derivative from consciousness. We cannot get behind consciousness. Everything that we talk about, everything that we regard as existing, postulates consciousness.”

    Your consciousness is who and what you are, and it is eternal by definition. That it is briefly attached to a body is a detail of surprisingly little remark in your genuine eternal life! And in fact, so little of your vast, eternal mind is accessible to you while you are in a body that you feel a great deal more brilliant and powerful once you leave it. But coming here is important, since you need the negativity that exists here but really doesn't exist in eternity so you can push against it and better raise your consciousness vibration. Each lifetime here is a trip to a spiritual gym, but that is all that it is! And knowing how much having raised your vibration is going to matter once you go back home, doesn't it make sense to put at least a little bit of effort toward doing that now?

    "Soul" is just a religious term. You are your mind, and there is no separate little religious part of you. The genuine you is inextricably part of the perfect God that Jesus told us is Spirit. The genuine you is glorious!
     
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  7. RobertaGrimes

    RobertaGrimes Administrator

    Sam Parnia is a fool. He has an agenda - materialism - which is as narrow and dead-ended as any false religion ever could be. You can happily ignore him!
     
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  8. Storybud68

    Storybud68 Active Member

    wow well I wasn't expecting such informative and brilliant answers from you all thanks mac bluebird and especially roberta ,j wish sometimes I could meet some of the people on here I almost feel I know you and you sound so lovely and genuine,maybe we can all meet up in the afterlife thanks.david
     
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  9. LachlanMac

    LachlanMac Member

    In all my readings on Dr. Sam Parnia he has seemed rather objective and fair regarding NDEs. I believe he is even doing a part 2 of his study at the moment so I am kind of doubting he concluded that brain activity is the culprit. He has always said that, using the current medical and scientific models, it is "likely" the brain causing it but he is trying to work outside the normal medical models and has lost a lot of reputation doing so.
     
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  10. RobertaGrimes

    RobertaGrimes Administrator

    It's great to see you here, LachlanMac!

    As you know, the great debate now is between those who are sure the brain generates consciousness (even though they have no idea how that might happen), and those who - like the great quantum physics pioneer Dr. Max Planck - think that consciousness must be primary and pre-existing. Dr. Parnia has long been a traditional scientist pretty heavily invested in the notion that consciousness is generated by the material brain, but at least he has looked at some contrary phenomena, as you point out. Most of them won't do even that!
     

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