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'Direct Voice' potential or something else?

Discussion in 'After-Death Communication' started by Amy, May 13, 2017.

  1. Amy

    Amy Member

    Actually Roberta - apologies for the cumbersome postings, but, you have got me thinking now, back to that time last year when I heard/saw that historical info. Maybe you are right, my friend, just maybe, like you say - about the teams on the other side! Because all this was propelled last year when I was kinda frustrated, I wanted to know more about the pyschic process. Now I know, as a medium, that sounds rather daft - but the fact is - in my heart of true hearts - I dont know 100% for sure how I do these pyschic things - or how anyone does them for that matter. I mean - there are plausible theories - my guide talks to your guide, and passes that info on etc - BUT I wanted to do my own experiments with that. So I did. I started to use my daughter's sight cards (that was all I had) - to see if I could get what was on the back of the card pyschically, and to repeat this process over time, hoping to study the process. (I'd never used card before).

    Anyway, that time period (over about 2 weeks I think?) is when it all went BOOM, in a good way, and I started not long after, to get the accurate historical info from folks (deceased). I also became so overwhelmed by stimulii, I found the normal sounds of life quite irritating etc (traffic etc). Maybe my natural curiosity, which I have in spades, i.e "Ok guides I want to know more about EXACTLY HOW pyschic info happens" - led to me attracting a team of similar people on the other side - equally curious researchers, for example. Hell, THAT MAKES SENSE. oooH! That's when I saw Leslie Flint too. Yup, I know he's the buzz word for idiots, too, but I am pretty sure it was him as it looked a lot like him (and you must remember, it was a case of SO I WONDER WHO THAT WAS at the time ). (I only saw an image of him, I did not receive his name).

    So again, I know I sound excited, cause I am, lol, but I am reluctant to let myself get carried away. But it makes sense, doesnt it? Could it be?????? A team of researchers? Only one way to find out!!! Onwards and upwards!!
     
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  2. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    quote: "PPS I have learnt a lot since listening to all these direct voice and some EVP recordings! I have learnt that the other side have just quietly stepped next door - our concept of death really is obsolete - obviously I knew that before - but BOY! Is our concept of death just TOTALLY obsolete or what!? (such is the casual banter and interaction of these so called 'dead' people - they chat with us just like you and I would - it really is like having a cup of tea with the not-so-dead-people-next-door ! OMG! I find these recordings just such an eye opener! A beautiful one!). (It is not like that as a medium for me - with deceased people's relatives - where I only get bits and pieces - not a long casual exchange. However trance of 'higher' beings is kinda a bit more like a flow of their words, yes)."

    Isn't it a situation of 'horses for courses'?

    I'm an old-fashioned old Spiritualist and in our movement mediumship is primarily to provide comfort and help seekers understand that life is continuous, that death isn't the end of things and that we live on elsewhere. The role of a medium in achieving that is, then, as a go-between, someone facilitating a dialogue (or healing) that leads another on to the understanding of the notion of survival and whatever else they find from that.

    Whether mediumship is clairvoyant, clairaudient, healing or philosophical, whether it's in trance or 'live on air' matters less than the the comfort and persuasion it can bring. With EVP and ITC it's a similar situation save for there being no go-between and - dare I say it - no philosophical content. That hardly matters, of course, because a great deal about life, death and what follows in the etheric already has already been told.

    I don't think my concept of death is (quote) TOTALLY obsolete and neither is it for others who have reached a similar level of persuasion. ;)
     
  3. Amy

    Amy Member

    Hi Mac,

    I must be an old fashioned spiritualist too then! Agree with you my friend. And yeah, I know that 'totally' word was a bit of a stretch, but I mean humanity's as a whole.

    Many thanks,
    Amy
     
  4. Amy

    Amy Member

    Roberta,

    Um...ok...so something I must tell you. I was down near the bay this morning overlooking the still water and a vision of a woman's face came to me. I just 'observed' and took a mental note, not knowing who it was. I rang my sister and forgot I had that vision as my focus is terrible today as I havent slept well. I tell her about some of the things mentioned on this forum. I get home, put some lunch in the oven, go to your website - and hey presto - um, there you are!!! The woman in my vision this morning! (mind spinning). I swear I am telling you the absolute truth! In my vision it was like you do not always wear your hair that way - or colour, and you looked younger, you also had on a green or blue dress (I watched that Chicken soup guy video). I know this sounds potentially creepy, but I swear to you I am 100% sincere and this is the first time I have both 'seen' you, and seen you. lol.

    So now what?

    It's possible the great interaction here has just stimulated my pyschic radar, but um.....was it a sign? I am not sure, or was it purely me predicting what I would see this afternoon on your website? (See thats why I wanted to start my card experiments - to satisfy my own satisfaction about HOW AND WHY I see these things!) So now what?
     
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  5. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    Amy you should calm down please. You're excited but you need to keep a level head. :)

    Try not to make things fit. Observe as objectively as you can and don't find what's not there. Please remember that none of this sounds "creepy". If apparent coincidences or premonitions are part of a bigger plan in some way allow them to happen and watch the outcome. :)

    Wait to see if unseen friends appear to be directing them and try not to over-react to what happens.
     
  6. RobertaGrimes

    RobertaGrimes Administrator

    You saw a vision of me? Oh, poor Amy! Most people see beautiful visions, dear, but... all you got was me?
     
  7. Amy

    Amy Member

    Hi ya Mac,

    Thanks for your help.

    Im not trying to make things fit, hence my question - why am I seeing this? I have left my post open ended, yeah? I have given suggestions, but remain confused. Edit: OH you may have meant who the vision was? Thats a fair enough statement and good advice to give, but I'm pretty certain it was Roberta, and not because I want to fill in gaps with belief because Im excited.

    No I meant creepy as in, from the outside in, it may look like I'm a stalker. (Not from your perspective but others reading this). Apologies for the cumbersome communication.

    Yeah Im excited, but also confused. Yes I have calmly observed for 20 years, yep, I just pass on the info. But I really DO wish to understand more, actually it's kinda essential to me going forward. I know I cant force the issue, but I desire to learn more. Maybe there just are no answers (and Im exhausted, lol). Edit: yeah ok, maybe I just need to chill out a bit more, and stop trying to be a knowledge control freak, let go of my need to know, and just get on with the practice/experiments etc. Thanks for your help.

    Many thanks,

    Amy
     
    Last edited: May 18, 2017
  8. Amy

    Amy Member

    Hi Roberta,

    lol. That made me smile. :) Yes I am almost 99% certain it was you, cause it looked a hell of a lot like you, except you looked a little younger in it.
    Anyways,

    many thanks,
    Amy
     
  9. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    Amy I wish I could believe that I was actually helping a little but it's not what I'm getting..... I've looked through this whole thread yet again but remain confused what you're looking for.

    I must first make the point that you don't come over to me as a stalker; I wonder why you're concerned you might seem that way.

    I don't think you're seeing what happens here although that's understandable as you're new. The few of us here who have remained regular contributors over the years that ALF has existed have discussed many 'spooks' subjects. It's not easy to see them though because this version of the website is new. Although all the old discussion threads are apparently still available it's not easy to see 'em hence not easy to get a full flavour for what's been discussed - even if anyone were prepared to go looking. So pleased don't be concerned - we've likely seen most topics before and if not we'll know something about them or where to find info if we don't. :)

    I'm confused why after twenty years you appear to know so little about things that this non-practitioner sees as fundamentally important to a practitioner. I deliberately use the word 'practitioner' rather than 'medium' or 'psychic' because I know nothing about what you do. In a different scenario involving someone new to the things you've described, I'd be suggesting they seek someone experienced with whom they could work and from whom they could learn how their attributes might best be developed. Has anyone helped you before in such a way?

    I don't know why you feel the individual you saw (posting # 24) was Roberta when the one in the 'vision' was somewhat different to how Roberta looks now. And anyway there are plenty of photos of her that you may have seen at some point but not consciously registered/remembered. Was the experience just muddled
    half-in, half-out-of dreaming?

    You asked earlier:

    "So now what?

    It's possible the great interaction here has just stimulated my pyschic radar, but um.....was it a sign? I am not sure, or was it purely me predicting what I would see this afternoon on your website? (See thats why I wanted to start my card experiments - to satisfy my own satisfaction about HOW AND WHY I see these things!) So now what?"
    To me, what you've asked here sounds rhetorical but even if it's not there's no way for anyone to know the answers based on such limited data.

    I'm not a practitioner but what I'm getting is someone bouncing around from subject to subject, a butterfly flitting from one place to another. I'd like you to settle to give us - me - a starting point for trying to follow what you're asking about. But, then, I'm a clay-footed Taurean and baby steps towards understanding is my way. ;)

    BUT please don't think I'm dismissing or 'pooh-pooing' what you've said. I'm simply trying to piece things together and begin to make some sense of 'em. It's what I do with most topics that have relevance for me and were you to look back at my previous postings I think/hope you'd see it's the way I have mostly tried to approach subjects.
     
  10. Amy

    Amy Member

    Mac,

    Hi ya.

    hahaha, that may have something to do with the fact that prior to the weekend just now, I hadnt slept properly in over a month and a half. Consequently my writings may be a bit all over the shop, flitting from to one subject to another, and not succinctly written. My beautiful cat has been diagnosed with a brain tumour and is howling at night, keeping me up, also, I came down with a bad cold for a week. So I am not surprised you are confused, lol. I got to the point where I was a walking zombie, when Im that tired I tend to get rambling. THANKGOD I have recharged myself now with a decent night's sleep, but I still need more.

    Yes I too, would be thinking "Well, this is odd" - 20 years - but still doesnt know stuff? But just because I am able to GIVE information, does not necessarily mean that I intricately UNDERSTAND the process of HOW I do it. Like I said, Im an information control freak, lol. But read on...

    I guess I have a quest for knowledge that is deeper Mac - I am not satisfied with the usual typical responses from most mediumistic and new age ways of thinking. It's not that they may or may not be wrong, it's just that I want to know the detailed ins and outs - almost like the specific mechanics of EXACTLY HOW. There has been fairly spirited (and friendly) debate about such topics on other forums, I am happy to learn more. Im not sure if you've ever completed a Meyer's Brigg's personality examination? It is fairly spot -on - I'm an ENFP, and we see the bigger picture, and we are naturally very curious souls. It is just my natural curiousity Mac, that is all. When people have asked before "So how do you do this?" Well, I can only give them a theory really. (My guide talks to your guide etc - but does that cover all situations? When you feel there is danger around a corner, and hang back, is that your guide, or is that just you sensing?) So are you with me Mac - the fact is, in my heart of hearts, I dont know 100% FOR SURE how I receive pyschic information. The natural researcher in me wants to find out.

    Re the stalker thing, (lol). To answer your question of why would I be concerned about that? No, I'm not really concerned. But I am aware that it does look like a convenient vision - that I saw an image of Roberta, and then later that day saw her video, and realised it was her I saw. (No, I have never even heard or seen of Roberta before, so no chance of getting it mixed up there). As you probably are aware, there are a lot of charlatans online! I've witnessed so called readers create multiple user names (like up to 10), and give false readings to other usernames, and then given themselves false feedback! (Yep I left that site after a long unsuccessful process of trying to get that behaviour stopped). The point being - when things are too good to be true, they often are, so I hope my vision was not seen by others reading here as just that - convenient B.S. Yes Roberta looked a little younger in the vision I had. As to why I was shown her that way - well your guess is as good as mine. But hair (down to the highlights) and face was almost exactly the same, and the same kind of vibe as in the video?

    Ok a starting point - I just wanted to know if the voices on the phone were more an EVP thing, or perhaps the start of direct voice mediumship? (And both you and Roberta have helped me with that, so thankyou very much). I understand that my original question may not be so easy to answer, but I was just after feedback from those with more knowledge than I about EVP, in particular.

    All the further info I gave you was to give some background info about some type of things I'd done (Historical info etc) because often direct voice mediumship happens at the end, or mid way through - a medium's life. So I was trying to convey that I was not just starting out my mediumship journey. Seems I have provided too much info though and confused you?

    Anyways, if so, apologies. I hope this post has helped to clarify things a bit more.
    and you are helping Mac.

    And I totally agree - its a good idea to seek help from those who can help me develop my "attributes", so do you know of any decent physical mediums in rural Australia?? The nearest 'public' one to me, is over 3000 KMS away! Im not sure how many British miles that is, but that's like you to Spain and back, at least. Hence, I came online. Hope you can see the humour in that :) :) :) .

    Many thanks,
    amy
     
    Last edited: May 22, 2017
  11. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    I see why you were all over the place. A lack of sleep can be a killer, literally sometimes. I hope you're coming to terms with your cat's condition and its likely outcome.

    I wasn't expecting you to understand the technicality of transdimensional communication - I suspect that few here will do. And I don't understand when you say you're an "information control freak" - do you censor / control what you receive?

    You and me both but after decades now of searching I've concluded that information may not be found this side of the divide. You don't know me but folk here and elsewhere who do may see we seek similar understanding. Generally I've failed to find it.


    You're preaching to the choir. I haven't done a Meyer's Brigg's but when I say I'm analytical by nature and training, someone who consistently tries to consider 'the big picture' rather than being parochial, a Spiritualist but not just a Spiritualist.... I hope you'll see that I may not be the kind of individual you've encountered previously. I ask awkward questions and challenge what's not well-supported. Folk can find that threatening.

    I try to respond only to what others write. I don't know which websites you've used but I've used a fair few myself over the 14 years I've written online about 'the spooks stuff'. I didn't see the section about Roberta as b/s but I did feel there were potential alternative explanations. I try to see if there's an alternative explanation.

    EVP and physical mediumship are highly specialised subjects. I don't have that specialised experience and it would still be better to look elsewhere for those who claim they have.

    I did read what you'd written but it was where you were trying to go from there that left me a little confused. I'm not unfamiliar with the direct voice and how it develops but your situation was matching what I understood. When using forums, one point at a time is easier to deal with I find.

    Please, apologies are really not necessary. I like to be sure I'm properly understanding, though, and I didn't feel that I was achieving that.

    I think you might face a problem finding someone to directly help with your development. Here in tiny Britain what few physical groups there may be probably work in the traditional way of closed home-circles. So even here I'm not aware of them - if they even exist to any extent. When the NAS was around its president encouraged such groups, provided written guidance and a forum for those wishing to discuss points and/or report results. Those days have gone.

    Living 3000K from your nearest point-of-contact with anyone as you do (2000 miles in old money or in America) means you're pretty much stuck. (Incidentally I think of such a distance in terms of my RVing the USA rather than driving to any of our EU countries. ;)) But I'll ask my friend down under in case he knows anyone anywhere nearby. Roughly where are you?

    If you don't already know about this place try https://www.wallaciadevelopmentcenter.com/
     
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  12. Amy

    Amy Member

    Hi Mac again,

    You sound like a conscientous fellow, both in communication, and in wanting to understand the amazing world around you, including spirit communication. I just wanted to say I respect that. I also 'get' the questioning thing - and how others can find that threatening - geezez, story of my life, in fact! I'm a lot like you, I think, on that front.

    Thankyou for your well wishes re my sleeping situation - thankyou for your understanding. Some folks wouldn't understand unfortunately.


    "Amy said:

    I guess I have a quest for knowledge that is deeper Mac - I am not satisfied with the usual typical responses from most mediumistic and new age ways of thinking. It's not that they may or may not be wrong, it's just that I want to know the detailed ins and outs - almost like the specific mechanics of EXACTLY HOW.


    You and me both but after decades now of searching I've concluded that information may not be found this side of the divide. You don't know me but folk here and elsewhere who do may see we seek similar understanding. Generally I've failed to find it.
    "

    Sorry, still learning how to quote things here. Hmm..that is very interesting, yes, I suppose you just well may be right there. After I read your thoughts on this, I realised my probable naivity in even hoping to understand half of the mechanics of the communication process. I guess it's a little bit like unlocking some of the keys to the Universe! The subject intrigues me though - I would love to talk to you more about if you ever feel so inclined. Thankyou for sharing your thoughts so far.

    Re my distance from a 'public' medium. I was lying in bed and realised the distance is probably only 2000 kms, not 3000 kms, however, that still makes my situation rather stuffed! lol!! On that Verdini's site you gave me, and on a few others, I have read guidance for starting a home circle to develop physical mediumship. Somehow I'm thinking this is largely going to be up to all my initiative, in getting some degree of a home circle back together and going from there. (It would be my old mediation and pyschic development group - we were a harmonious group on the whole, and met every week for 10 years!). I really do miss that, and I know they do too. So, with a little help from friends , such as yourself, the group, and maybe email contact with 'the experts' (said with a grain of salt), practice with my sister over the phone (to see if any more voices speak), then maybe with perseverance, I might just get there. Wouldnt it be amazing if I did? And we did?

    Thanks for your offer of help via your contacts/friends down here. I am in C.Q, tell them..they should know what that refers to.



    I'm sure I haven't responded to all your points, but I will leave it there.
    I'm interested to learn more about your story, too. How you became interested in spirtualism, and your experiences etc?


    Catch ya later,

    Amy
     
  13. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    Central Queensland? Did you take a look at Wallacia's website?
     
    Last edited: May 24, 2017
  14. Amy

    Amy Member

    Hi Mac,

    Yes, Central Queensland.

    I've had a brief look at that website. Interestingly enough, I see they had a physical medium workshop/demonstration 2 days ago! (free) Wow, I would have loved to have been there!
    Thanks for that link - I might send them an email I think!
    Thanks for all your links, for that matter Mac.

    Hope you're having a great morning/night up there in England.

    Amy

    P.S edit: I am reading this now: full transcript of a very recent physical mediumship sitting & research undertaken at the Wallacia Centre:

    https://www.wallaciadevelopmentcent...-hour-seance-in-continuous-lighted-conditions

    Thanks Mac.
     
    Last edited: May 25, 2017
  15. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    my pleasure

    It's an interesting comparison, perhaps, that Wallacia recently was host to a well-known (allegedly) physical medium where a video recording showed him to be defrauding his sitters by moving around and creating 'phenomena' - all during a sitting in the dark where nobody could see what was happening.
     
  16. Amy

    Amy Member

    Mac,

    Interestingly enough, I watched those videos about 3 weeks ago. I was laughing at the blatant audacity and near nakedness of that man! Far out, he must have been desperate to keep up ratings or something? Or perhaps he was fraudulent from the start. Made for a very interesting video though, lol!! :(

    Thanks for the heads up.

    amy
     
  17. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    Had it not been so serious it would have been a giggle.... But he's been presenting as a physical medium, presumably charging for his services but play-acting in the dark. Mannion isn't the only one but he was caught with his pants down, literally as well as figuratively. Whether he is ever a medium I don't know but anyone found cheating is likely to remain under suspicion by those who know/care about mediumship.

    Worse, even, is that such fraud may taint any other mediumship and mislead and upset those looking for help rather than entertainment.
     
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  18. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    I do what I can....






    no problem about quoting - see my tips below

    I'm prepared to answer questions about how I arrived in the place I am - wherever that may be!! Mostly, though, I don't say much about me as I'm not interesting and I prefer to address points that others make. But I don't have secrets and I have spoken about what happened to me in other thread here on ALF.


    I'm sure I haven't responded to all your points, but I will leave it there.
    I'm interested to learn more about your story, too. How you became interested in spirtualism, and your experiences etc?


    Catch ya later,

    Amy[/QUOTE]

    see above




    OK, then. To quote pieces of a thread posting. Press the 'Reply' button, bottom left in a posting. If you're wanting to quote a specific section first go to the opening text enclosed within the 'square' brackets (eg)

    [member's name etc]


    Now highlight and copy it (CTRL C) Next go to the point you want to start your quoted piece. Click the point and paste the piece of text you just copied (CTRL C) That's the start point.

    Now go to the final piece of text in the posting you're replying to (eg) [/QUOTE] Highlight and copy it. Next go the the end of the piece you're wanting to quote. Paste the text in brackets you've just copied.

    Now you should have a piece of text that begins with:
    [QUOTE member's name]

    and ends with [/QUOTE]

    Enter a couple of carriage returns ( ENTER ) and type whatever you want to say. The quote piece will have a pink background in a frame. Your response will be underneath. Do as many of those as you wish.
     
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  19. Amy

    Amy Member


    Yes, totally agree!


    Thanks for helping me with the quoting thing. That's good of you.

    Would be interested to read what happened to you.

    Amy
     
  20. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    I've had to re-do my suggestion - see if it now makes sense, please....
     

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